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i also just appreciate that apple DIDN'T TOTALLY FUCK UP the itv like they normally do in that it has hdmi, component and digital optical outs -- apple has always been backwards with its ports/connections and i was convinced that this would be the same. no 1080i (not to mention 1080p) kinda sucks, but i assume that has to do with the amount of data that would need to be streamed.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

also considering the absolute bullshit catalogue available for blu-ray and hd-dvd, the door is certainly open to both apple and microsoft (the 360 live marketplace really is remarkably smooth even if the pricing and time limitations blow) to own hd content, along with the cable systems. it all depends on download times for movies, i guess.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i just bought a new wireless router :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

well, I think Apple is hedging their bets that it will be a couple of years before you even see 1080 broadcasts anyway. Right now, you can only get that resolution from a hi def camcorder, and I highly doubt that people are going to be streaming 1080 any time soon.

― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The fact that they're pushing nonstandard push IMAP while chronically never supporting nice standard IMAP IDLE is annoying. That plus short battery life plus no keyboard means I'll be a Treo person for a while more. (My Treo battery lasts 3 days on average; then I swap it with a charged fresh one. Any word on whether this thing's battery is removable?)

(Hi Yancey: saw you + lady on Rivington last night)

― Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Mac.com doesn't do idle

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, forgot about that, as I'm listening to WFMU via iTunes right now!

So what else? Please make me feel good about my squeezebox! You could say it has better audio outs, but like i could tell the difference with my hearing damage?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Mac.com doesn't do idle

Yeah, and neither does Mail.app, but decent IMAP servers and clients do, and especially with mobile devices it makes them much more useful.

― Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

http://fivepoundsflax.blogspot.com/2006/11/imap-idle-plugin-for-mailapp-version.html

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

too bad i already have a 2-year contract with cingular that doesnt expire until 2008

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

they are probably willing to sign you to another contract

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

will it work with my wiimote though?

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

(Not to pile on, but, just, never buy anything from Apple post-Xmas.)

Haha - I know this well, yet my ipod died. I bought a 2G nano three days ago, on the gamble that they were to new to get fuxx0red. Survived this round.

― hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Someone at work asked me "I don't need a phone, but can I buy the Beatles on iTunes now?"

The priorities people have...

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

why is that a weird priority?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

also why never buy apple post-xmas? i'm about to buy a new macbook pro!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

That IDLE plugin works only slightly. It'll be very interesting to see how cross-portable this phone is with desktop OS X software. Maybe I could run an IMAP server on the phone, problem solved.

― Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

why is that a weird priority?

It's all he'll talk about. (it's a long story)

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

8GB HDSD cards broke under $90 post-xmas.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

do you work with mark chapman? (xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow Shasta!

8GB SDHC specifications
Maximum write speed

6MB /Second

^ that's why they don't use it though. It'd be smart to have a secondary storage for media on cheaper flash though :/

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

well i know what our CEOs are going to be crying for soon. and its going to be worse cos the US ceo's will be in their face with them. which makes me worried cos then they might want OSX macs instead of their PCs and then we'll have to say that there's no decent exchange client. :-/

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Exchange good for anything at all? I don't know much about it, apart from using the one at work which is dreadful and breaks a lot (this could say a lot more about our techs, mind)

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/Catch22_cover.jpg

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Exchange good for anything at all?

No. The only thing it does is brainwash users into thinking that they need an Exchange server at their new job.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

[opens eyes, wipes self down, looks around]

so, what did i miss?

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

It appears the AppleTv will work with any TV that can do 16x9 and has component in, even my crappy 14" Alba can do that with a scart adaptor. However the fact that it doesn't support PAL native resolutions is pretty shit really. Europe will get scaled and FUBARed SD content using this device. Should be pretty nice with 720p content on a 720p monitor though.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

dumb question: Other than price, what are the key differences between a Mac Mini running Front Row vs. iTV?

― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

The interface seems to be more fully featured on the iTV, the Mac Mini has no HDMI port and no HDCP on the DVI out. On the plus side the Mac mini can play back any content and do a lot more, it struggles with 1080p though. Best thing about using a Mac mini is you can plug in a TV tuner and make it into a DVR.

hopefully people will start trying to hack the iTV and implement other codecs, native PAL support. In theory an enterprising hacker could try and get Linux running on it.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Aren't the next-gen Intel graphics accelerators supposed to solve the Mini's HD issues? Still balls for gaming, but you'll be able to get ~~porn~~movies in 1080p to run fine.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:05 (seventeen years ago) link

The core duo mini on my desk at work can't quite keep up with 1080p the next gen of intel GMA ought to be better but it hasn't been adopted yet.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Best Apple day in awhile.

― def zep (calstars), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Only thing that holds me back from the AppleTV is that there's no option for renting a movie on the Itunes store, and to purchase one runs $10 - $15 -- the price of a whole month's subscription to Netflix.

― def zep (calstars), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I think The Last Poets would have made for a better closing musical act.

― def zep (calstars), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 00:28 (seventeen years ago) link

http://ichart.finance.yahoo.com/z?s=AAPL&t=1d&q=&l=&z=&c=PALM,RIMM,NOK,MOT&a=v&p=s

interesting!

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 01:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Most Core 2 intel Macs already have the new Airport 802.11n on board, according to this. Lucky buggers.

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 02:40 (seventeen years ago) link

you know what? i think for appletv you need an aiport wireless network, specifically an "n" one, up and running to access all the functions. why need a 3rd box??? forget it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:18 (seventeen years ago) link

and you need a newer tv too, it looks like

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

AirPort Extreme, Wi-Fi 802.11b, 802.11g, or 802.11n wireless network6 (wireless video streaming requires 802.11g or 802.11n), or 10/100BASE-T Ethernet network

So no, you don't necessarily need an airport.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

x-post -- Talked about upthread:

• Video formats supported: H.264 and protected H.264 (from iTunes Store): 640 by 480, 30 fps, LC version of Baseline Profile; 320 by 240, 30 fps, Baseline profile up to Level 1.3; 1280 by 720, 24 fps, Progressive Main Profile. MPEG-4: 640 by 480, 30 fps, Simple Profile

USELESS I just want to wirelessly show my illegal divx downloads of dr who on my tv w/out burning to dvd

-- kyle (akmonda...), January 9th, 2007. (later)

So just convert with ffmpeg...

-- Elvis Telecom (quartzcit...), January 9th, 2007. (later)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:24 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah sorry but transcoding is not an option; that would make this thing more of a pain to use than my divx dvd player and thus would kind of defeat the point!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Damned whiny movie critics, I thought each of you had a surround sound stadium-style seating theater in your cramped apartments!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i have an advanced "stereo" set up--TWO channels!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:34 (seventeen years ago) link

:-O

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Really they should just support every format that Quicktime can read. It's pretty lame that they wouldn't.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm in even less of a hurry to care about the TV thing at this point, I admit -- this is all getting much closer to the world I want and prefer (legit instant demand movies, quickly downloaded and carried over to the TV) but it's not quite there yet and I'd rather let the early adopters figure out what doesn't work first.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah honestly i was pretty ready to get this coming right out of the gate but i think i'll hang back and shoot my wad on a new macbook pro, which i totally need now anyway.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link

A new iPod for me -- one of those clip-on shuffles, it's really all I need for daily listening. If a couple of things go my way, I will likely get a new TV some time year anyway, at which point this'll be looking a lot more attractive. But patience is always a virtue with new Apple hardware, as I muttered on the phone thread.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:07 (seventeen years ago) link

any word from the CES show about a Zune phone?

― Wrinklecause for Applause! (Wrinklepaws), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 04:13 (seventeen years ago) link

10:48 am cincular is the partner
10:47 am asia 2008
10:47 am Europe by Cal4 this year

hellooo... what about canada, steve? we do not have cingular here, nor are we europe or asia... WTF?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 05:13 (seventeen years ago) link

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