Come Anticipate "Brokeback Mountain" With Me

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I think it was Ed Gonzalez at Slant who pointed out that quite a number of gay critics don't like Brokeback. One of the NYC homo weeklies ran a front-page screed against it.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

The previously mentioned Brokeback item I own (and by the code, it's not particularly my color):

http://notonlybutalso.typepad.com/notonlybutalso/2005/12/brokeback_promo.html


Armond White doesn't always 'review the reviews.' He critiques the way 'good' films are ID'd and positioned in the culture by the marketing-media complex, which inevitably requires mentioning his peers sometimes. Esp when it's the most visible movie critic in the nation idiotically dismissing War of the Worlds on the grounds that 'tripods are illogical.' Or those who hail a filmmaker who makes one interesting movie (Christopher Nolan) as a visionary, which enables him to make bilious mega-budget juvenilia like -- you know.


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

ebert's stance on war of the worlds (the whole "tripods are illogical" thing) was SOOO maddening!! you'd think a film critic would know about TRIPODS!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Or those who hail a filmmaker who makes one interesting movie (Stephen Spielberg) as a visionary, which enables him to make bilious mega-budget juvenilia like -- you know.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Or those who hail a filmmaker who makes one interesting movie (Stanley Kubrick) as a visionary, which enables him to make bilious mega-budget juvenilia like -- you know.

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 18:59 (eighteen years ago) link

the boondocks series on bareback mountain was funny

j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

quite a number of gay critics don't like Brokeback

Morbs appears to be correct, at least for this guy.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:06 (eighteen years ago) link

i found this movie's performances cartoonish and affected.

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:09 (eighteen years ago) link

chaki, it's called "camp."

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:11 (eighteen years ago) link

ok then i found it campy. but not in a good way.

howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

The posts imply that Ehrenstein is one of dem self-hatin' queers.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

This movie was great, deal with it. UR all ghey.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 24 December 2005 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Some relevant comments from the 2005 film thread:

I only saw one of those VV picks (Brokeback Mountain) and thought it was pretty bad.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:54 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Though I'd like to see most of them.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:58 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Wait, why am I posting here?
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:58 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

I guess mainly to say: Brokeback Mountain = NOT THAT GOOD.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 1:59 PM. (Nick A.) (later)


I guess mainly to say: Brokeback Mountain = NOT THAT GOOD.
Why didn't you say so when I asked everyone (in Chicago) what they thought? I still really want to see it.

-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 23rd, 2005 2:11 PM. (jaymc) (later)

Mainly because I didn't want to offend my friends on that thread who loved it and also because in the week since I've seen it I've moved gradually from "It was OK, kinda boring but some good acting" to "Wait, that was a pretty sucky movie, huh?" I think before long, I'm going to be all-out hating on it, that's usually how these things work for me.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:35 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

So what you're saying is, you hate fags.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 23rd, 2005 3:37 PM. (jaymc) (later)

I hang out with you.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:40 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

I think it's the opposite, I'm so gay-tolerant (YAY ME!) that just a movie being about gay people isn't enough to make it "daring" or "fascinating" for me. There didn't seem to be much point to the movie other than HERE ARE SOME SEMIFAMOUS HUNKY DUDES PRETENDING TO DO EACH OTHER IN THE BUTT, which basically makes it mainstream gay porn but not much more in itself. The story was predictable and dull, Ledger was good but Gyllenhaal was pretty bad, the scenery was nice I guess.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:46 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

It wasn't even good gay porn: too many tits.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 3:47 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Jake's tits or the cows'?
-- Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (wooderso...), December 23rd, 2005 3:49 PM. (miloaukerman) (later)

Princess Diary's tits, Dawson's Creek's tits.
-- n/a (nu...), December 23rd, 2005 4:34 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

POW - I'M THERE
-- j blount (jamesbloun...), December 24th, 2005 2:31 AM. (papa la bas) (later)

Hathaway is actually pretty good in this, considering she has to play a pretty young cowgal as well as a wealthy, manipulative wife straight out of Dallas. As a whole, the aging among the characters in the film was rather unconvincing: I cringed as Heath Ledger's daughter skyrocketed through adolescence while Ledger himself looked the same.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 24th, 2005 10:35 AM. (jaymc) (later)

Hathaway is actually pretty good in this, considering she has to play a pretty young cowgal as well as a wealthy, manipulative wife straight out of Dallas. As a whole, the aging among the characters in the film was rather unconvincing: I cringed as Heath Ledger's daughter skyrocketed through adolescence while Ledger himself looked the same.
-- jaymc (jmcunnin...), December 24th, 2005 10:35 AM. (jaymc) (later)

I agree with the second part of this, but thought Hathaway was too cartoony-stereotypey. I thought the cute one from Dawson's Creek was better.

-- n/a (nu...), December 24th, 2005 12:23 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

Actually, the whole Gylenhaal plotline post-butt sex is pretty fucking ridiculous exaggerated redneck family drama, like Raising Arizona but "serious."
-- n/a (nu...), December 24th, 2005 12:32 PM. (Nick A.) (later)

n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 03:49 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm already embarassed for saying this: I'm so gay-tolerant (YAY ME!) that just a movie being about gay people isn't enough to make it "daring" or "fascinating" for me. I was just trying to say that I felt like the movie was coasting on its controversy, but it didn't seem that controversial to me and so I found it lacking.

n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 03:50 (eighteen years ago) link

The three movies both Owen and Lisa have on their EW top tens: Munich, King Kong and Brokeback Mountain.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 04:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, the whole Gylenhaal plotline post-butt sex is pretty fucking ridiculous exaggerated redneck family drama, like Raising Arizona but "serious."

mostly agreed, that plotline didn't go much of anywhere but otherwise i thought this was pretty great.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 25 December 2005 06:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Jonathan Rosenbaum:

"this is the kind of tasteful tearjerker that's often overrated and smothered with prizes because it flatters our tolerance and sensitivity. Lee focuses on the men's wasted lives and the heartbreak of their spouses and other relatives, but the movie makes one hanker for the sort of unabashed queer stories found outside the mainstream."

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 25 December 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I was very moved despite having serious problems with Lee's fascination with repression; I just wrote a review with this thesis.

Actually, I liked Gyllenhaal much more than Ledger. For once he acts like a sex symbol, putting those blue eyes to good use.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:22 (eighteen years ago) link

And, no, the film isn't "controversial," unless we mean in that Oscar bait sort of way.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:24 (eighteen years ago) link

It isn't controversial to whom? When I said it wasn't controversial, I meant to me personally, but your phrasing sounds like you're saying it's not controversial at all, or that controversy isn't part of its intent.

n/a (Nick A.), Sunday, 25 December 2005 14:43 (eighteen years ago) link

It's definitely the film's intention to be controversial, and watching Heath Ledger ride Jake Gyllenhaal bareback will likely cause some people to squirm, but the film unconsciously reassures their prejudices: two queers can't live together cuz they ain't normal and their lives are sad, so let's watch this movie as our good deed of the year.

A more legitimately controversial film would have shown Ennis and Jack having fun fooling around whenever they got away to Brokeback Mountain, but perhaps Lee thought this would have violated Proulx's intentions.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link

No, dude, independent films are those black and white hippie movies. They're always about gay cowboys eating pudding.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:15 (eighteen years ago) link

i just found out that I had the definition of bareback wrong all these years.

ShawShank Rambo Connection (Carey), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link

i guess that is why all my college papers did not make sense.

ShawShank Rambo Connection (Carey), Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I was positively bored the whole time. Nearly fell asleep. It's just not compelling enough...and downright seemed to be hitting some of the worst notes of Giant along the way, no less.

The best part of the movie (for me) was recognizing that the Mexican prostitute was played by the director of photography (Rodrigo Prieto).

Eh, Sunday, 25 December 2005 15:47 (eighteen years ago) link

the ending was so lovely: the oblique framing, everything...

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, it was the end.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:42 (eighteen years ago) link

DID I MENTION I DIDN'T LIKE THIS MOVIE LOL

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link

dude, it's christmas. show some love for drunken buttsex movies.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

p.s. are you guys in chicago?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I am in Virginia, I'll be back Tues. Sarah isn't getting back from France until Weds. night. I think John and some other CHILXors might be around though. How long are you going to be in town?

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:47 (eighteen years ago) link

another two weeks, i think

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, OK, great. This weekend's going to be a little crazy, we're playing shows on the 30th and 31st, but we should hang out sometime after that.

n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 26 December 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

So what's the consensus?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, they were definitely gay.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Your review was great, A.S.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Predictably, I am going to question whether either of them was actually gay.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link

this is the kind of tasteful tearjerker that's often overrated and smothered with prizes because it flatters our tolerance and sensitivity

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks, John! have you seen it yet?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link

well, it seems obvious to me that Gyllenhaal is the gay one.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this. But I was the one who argued against Chris Cooper's character being gay in American Beauty long after it became apparent that he obviously was (but that was just me wishing the film was more ambiguous than it actually was).

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:37 (eighteen years ago) link

King Kong was the gay one.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link

So it's the Guess Who's Coming To Dinner of 2005, then.

A suspicion that's haunted me since I saw the film; but it's much too cold and spare.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

King Kong was the gay one.

You great feeb, it was Aslan.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Yup, I saw it last Friday, right after I finished my Christmas shopping. Yeah, you're right, Jack is probably gay: the Mexico scene of courses reinforces this.

Don't forget he also cruises Ennis a few minutes into the film.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:40 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, you mentioned that ("this will do"), but I honestly don't remember it that clearly. And he does make the first move in the tent.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Also: I'm getting a bit weary of the Heath Ledger award drumbeat, especially when Gyllenhaal is really the heart of the movie. His delivery of his last monologue is the most powerful acting he's ever done.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't agree with you there, unfortunately. He was fine for the first half of the film, but I found him as a bitter middle-aged man a bit unconvincing: I kept looking at him searchingly but all I saw was Jake Gyllenhaal with a ridiculous 'stache.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Gyllenhaal has such bizarre, oversized features. Were I homosexual, he would not be my premier candidate for intercourse.

[use of street parade as pivotal set piece] (nordicskilla), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link

I love the 'stache! I dunno...he seemed more comfortable with the stolidity of movement that's part of being middle-aged. And in the scene in which he answers Ennis' question about whether he's been with other women, he answers with an economy of gesture/bitterness that surprised me (it helps that his response is a lie: he's actually boning the ranch hand, not the ranch hand's wife).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:48 (eighteen years ago) link


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