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Quote from BBC News story about the Keynote.

"In a keynote speech, attended by more than 2,000 people, Mr Jobs spent the first 10 minutes bigging up the move to Intel chips."

"Bigging up" what kind of fucking language is that? I thought the BBC was a serious news website, not a drum and bass chatroom.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6246063.stm

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay seriously people are excited about this thing?

The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

so I have a video ipod, which i feel no need to change, and a blackberry for work that i don't want to use as a phone. but i do need a new phone because my mesozoic one is falling apart. i have no particular desire to switch from verizon and am hesitant about going off analog (though I'll likely do that anyway). why do i want to spend the money for this?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

You don't.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

because you are a lawyer

cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

hesitant about going off analog (though I'll likely do that anyway).

Yea, because they add a surcharge. PS - Fuck off trolly

roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

New Airport base station can support a USB hard drive too.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm wondering if the itv, can, like everyone else is wondering, play divx (fuck a time- and quality-consuming transcode!!), and whether i can chain another HD to it so i can have true mega-media-library awesomeness.

and do you also need a new base station to use it if you have a 802.11n card in your mac??

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the iTV looks like a shit product, even if it was $100. I'd rather invest in the new Sling product.

The iPhone looks awesome, especially if Internet service is robust. But I really don't trust Cingular to get that part of the equation right.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Apple TV only streaming via iTunes makes it a big disappointment for me. Hopefully, once 802.11n is up and running, a third party will make a product that will allow me to stream whatever app's (ie. VLC for me) output to my TV.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

the hard drive aspect of the airport is fantastic. this is exactly what i have been waiting for. now i can attach my external itunes hard drive and stream w/ my laptop. holla.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

That is actually completely, completely awesome and makes new airport 100% worth buying.

AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

all I'd want the iTV for is to have a decent GUI for the music and photo features. It can't hold a candle to Tivo for the TV part, and unless you can hook up a RAID type of situation then the movie watching aspect is subpar as well.

But I must admit that paying $300 for a good GUI to run music off my computer is better than my Slimserver.


xpost:
Hi Yancey.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Apple TV only streaming via iTunes makes it a big disappointment for me. Hopefully, once 802.11n is up and running, a third party will make a product that will allow me to stream whatever app's (ie. VLC for me) output to my TV.

Did people get this working for Airport Express AirTunes?

now i can attach my external itunes hard drive and stream w/ my laptop. holla.

I'd be more psyched if this worked with all usb devices ala wireless usb.

roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

hey don!

see i really dig the apple tv. i want a simple media center to control these things -- agreed on lameness of unsupported formats but i'm assuming that won't last long -- and most of the things out there already (squeezebox, sonos, kalaidescope, etc) are prohibitively expensive. i haven't looked into the slingshot yet and i know everyone loves it so i should certainly check it out. but i dunno, think about this as simply a hub with a simple ui, i'm totally down.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i like the idea--i want a simple media hub for all my music & movies so i don't have to plug in my ipod to my stereo all the time (and it's running out of space), nor burn discs of divxes to play in my divx-friendly dvd player. i want it all there with one remote. and if appletv can make it happen w/o being too proprietary i'm down. but do i need a NEW airport? that's not so hot.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

can slingbox do that all for me?

honestly the wireless isn't such a big deal. esp if i can plug in an external hd. i do not need to stream. although being able to shoot stuff to the itv would be pretty convenient.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm telling myself my Squeezebox is way cooler still, even though it doesn't do TV. It's still got cool features iTV doesn't right? Like streaming internet radio to my stereo, like having a great remote control, like not needing to turn on my TV...

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i was wondering if you needed the new airport, too. but fortunately (sorta) for me, my cheapo belkin wireless piece of plastic just crapped out, so i'm in the market for one anyway (almost bought an airtunes last week!).

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

we got a demo sonos in the office and i have to say it is tight as fuck -- that remote! -- but it costs something like $2k. and then there's kalaidescape which is pretty much the coolest fucking thing ever but their website doesn't even list a price = sure sign that i will never, ever be able to own it.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

the more I think about it, the more I want an iTV to solve a long standing issue with my wife vis a vis the GUI on my Squeezebox. And having iPhoto hooked up to the big tv would be a bonus. But I'd probably want to see how robust iTV works, what kind of delay is inherent in the menu refresh and such.

You can get a Squeezebox for around $200 on eBay and I've had mine for three years. But the GUI is 1980s, and for $100 more it would be worth going the iTV route. You can stream internet radio to iTunes...not every service, but plenty enough and I'm sure if you can access it from iTunes, you'll be able to push it through iTV because it's all Quicktime based.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yea, just add the stream to a playlist

roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i also just appreciate that apple DIDN'T TOTALLY FUCK UP the itv like they normally do in that it has hdmi, component and digital optical outs -- apple has always been backwards with its ports/connections and i was convinced that this would be the same. no 1080i (not to mention 1080p) kinda sucks, but i assume that has to do with the amount of data that would need to be streamed.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

also considering the absolute bullshit catalogue available for blu-ray and hd-dvd, the door is certainly open to both apple and microsoft (the 360 live marketplace really is remarkably smooth even if the pricing and time limitations blow) to own hd content, along with the cable systems. it all depends on download times for movies, i guess.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i just bought a new wireless router :(

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

well, I think Apple is hedging their bets that it will be a couple of years before you even see 1080 broadcasts anyway. Right now, you can only get that resolution from a hi def camcorder, and I highly doubt that people are going to be streaming 1080 any time soon.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The fact that they're pushing nonstandard push IMAP while chronically never supporting nice standard IMAP IDLE is annoying. That plus short battery life plus no keyboard means I'll be a Treo person for a while more. (My Treo battery lasts 3 days on average; then I swap it with a charged fresh one. Any word on whether this thing's battery is removable?)

(Hi Yancey: saw you + lady on Rivington last night)

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Mac.com doesn't do idle

roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, forgot about that, as I'm listening to WFMU via iTunes right now!

So what else? Please make me feel good about my squeezebox! You could say it has better audio outs, but like i could tell the difference with my hearing damage?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Mac.com doesn't do idle

Yeah, and neither does Mail.app, but decent IMAP servers and clients do, and especially with mobile devices it makes them much more useful.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

too bad i already have a 2-year contract with cingular that doesnt expire until 2008

i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

they are probably willing to sign you to another contract

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

will it work with my wiimote though?

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

(Not to pile on, but, just, never buy anything from Apple post-Xmas.)

Haha - I know this well, yet my ipod died. I bought a 2G nano three days ago, on the gamble that they were to new to get fuxx0red. Survived this round.

hearditonthexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Someone at work asked me "I don't need a phone, but can I buy the Beatles on iTunes now?"

The priorities people have...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

why is that a weird priority?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

also why never buy apple post-xmas? i'm about to buy a new macbook pro!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:06 (seventeen years ago) link

That IDLE plugin works only slightly. It'll be very interesting to see how cross-portable this phone is with desktop OS X software. Maybe I could run an IMAP server on the phone, problem solved.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

why is that a weird priority?

It's all he'll talk about. (it's a long story)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:07 (seventeen years ago) link

8GB HDSD cards broke under $90 post-xmas.

Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

do you work with mark chapman? (xp)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow Shasta!

8GB SDHC specifications
Maximum write speed

6MB /Second


^ that's why they don't use it though. It'd be smart to have a secondary storage for media on cheaper flash though :/

roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link

well i know what our CEOs are going to be crying for soon. and its going to be worse cos the US ceo's will be in their face with them. which makes me worried cos then they might want OSX macs instead of their PCs and then we'll have to say that there's no decent exchange client. :-/

Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Exchange good for anything at all? I don't know much about it, apart from using the one at work which is dreadful and breaks a lot (this could say a lot more about our techs, mind)

stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:34 (seventeen years ago) link

Is Exchange good for anything at all?

No. The only thing it does is brainwash users into thinking that they need an Exchange server at their new job.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 22:57 (seventeen years ago) link

[opens eyes, wipes self down, looks around]

so, what did i miss?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 23:11 (seventeen years ago) link

It appears the AppleTv will work with any TV that can do 16x9 and has component in, even my crappy 14" Alba can do that with a scart adaptor. However the fact that it doesn't support PAL native resolutions is pretty shit really. Europe will get scaled and FUBARed SD content using this device. Should be pretty nice with 720p content on a 720p monitor though.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 23:23 (seventeen years ago) link

dumb question: Other than price, what are the key differences between a Mac Mini running Front Row vs. iTV?

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link


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