vladimir guerrero.

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Plus, didn't he fuck up their playoff series somehow?

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:53 (sixteen years ago) link

guys i think what tracer's trying to say is: vladimir guerrero

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:54 (sixteen years ago) link

vladimir guerrero

Mr. Que, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:56 (sixteen years ago) link

im in class right now but later i will post a youtube of the throw of him gunning cliff floyd at home from the warning track

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:58 (sixteen years ago) link

he's no dave parker

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 18:59 (sixteen years ago) link

guerrero

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:04 (sixteen years ago) link

vlad

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

HOF, first ballot

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

not quite yet, i don't think

mookieproof, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:49 (sixteen years ago) link

v

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:53 (sixteen years ago) link

for vladetta

The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:54 (sixteen years ago) link

if everyone wore vlad masks on guy fawkes day, it would be much better.

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 19:56 (sixteen years ago) link

my brother and i used to talk about how cool it would be to see vladdy pitch for an inning. irl he would probably blow out his arm but i think from the mound he could throw like 105+

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link

also i can't find that throw on youtube but i've got this:

"He's a mutant!" - Scott Stuart (after seeing Vladimir Guerrero throw out a runner at third from the Olympic Stadium warning track on a 1-hop bullet) on ESPN's SportCenter

J0rdan S., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:01 (sixteen years ago) link

The July 2006 issue of Playboy featured the first formal nude photos of Guerrero. Part of his motivation for posing for the magazine, his said, was the camera phone incident; he wanted people to see what he really looked like naked.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~cxw8679/Vlad

bnw, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:03 (sixteen years ago) link

Now I get the point of the thread. D'oh!

Bill Magill, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:07 (sixteen years ago) link

What's he got, one ring?

and Luis Sojo has 3 or 4, so your point?

Similar Batters through Age 31

Willie Mays (907) *
Frank Robinson (891) *
Duke Snider (876) *
Manny Ramirez (874)
Juan Gonzalez (871)
Hank Aaron (869) *
Mickey Mantle (843) *
Ken Griffey (839)
Goose Goslin (837) *
Al Simmons (831) *

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link

HOF Standards: Batting - 48.7 (Average HOFer ≈ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 174.0 (Likely HOFer > 100)

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

The One Ring was created by the Dark Lord Sauron during the Second Age in order to gain dominion over the free peoples of Middle-earth. In disguise as Annatar, or "Lord of Gifts", he aided the Elven smiths of Eregion and their leader Celebrimbor in the making of the Rings of Power. He then forged the One Ring himself in the fires of Mount Doom. He intended it to be the most powerful of all Rings, able to rule and control the others (as long as their owners wore them). Since the other Rings were extremely powerful, Sauron was obliged to place most of his native power, life force and will into it to effect his purpose. there were certain pros & cons to this. The pros was that as long as the Ring existed, it was literally quite impossible to remove him from the mortal plane. On the other hand, the cons that the Ring possessed was that if he were to lose the Ring, he would also lose a great deal of his own power (when it was cut off from his hand, he lost/forsook a physical body for at least another 2500 years), and if the Ring were to be destroyed, he too would be vanquished in the process.

omar little, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link

of that list i guess only igor, manny and jr. wore batting gloves

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Montreal's turf (& maybe swinging at everything w/ 150% effort) messed him up. ;_;

Also: no rings. ;_;

Also: the Angels hitters aside from Vlad kinda blow. u_u

But: vladimir guerrero!!! :D

David R., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 22:39 (sixteen years ago) link

LAAoA: worst team name in sports? I can't think of many worse ones. Maybe Wash'n Redskins, or FC United.

Will M., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:01 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/VladTavares.jpg

G00blar, Tuesday, 12 February 2008 23:47 (sixteen years ago) link

five years pass...

http://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/9/14/4729002/vladimir-guerrero-retires-mlb

Okay...didn't realize this needed to be done.

clemenza, Saturday, 14 September 2013 19:32 (ten years ago) link

these days, Wladimir Balentien (sp?) is where it's at

Miss Arlington twirls for the Coal Heavers (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:26 (ten years ago) link

one of my favorite players ever

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link

vlad, that is

sing, all ye shitizens of slumerica (k3vin k.), Sunday, 15 September 2013 03:31 (ten years ago) link

that gif is inhuman

johnny crunch, Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:02 (ten years ago) link

sure felt like a HOFer when he played, but man he fell off fast. still rooting for him tho, even if he has less WAR than kenny lofton

fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link

jk i'd vote for lofton too

fuck your movie theater yacht (zachlyon), Sunday, 15 September 2013 04:35 (ten years ago) link

four years pass...

thought about starting a thread for him, but don't wanna jump the gun yet

vlad guerrero jr, the top prospect in baseball. absolutely TEARING UP double-A ball right now -- hitting .400/.450/.650. he just turned 19

and there's this: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/video-vlad-jr-homers-twice-once-off-a-hotel/

k3vin k., Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:45 (five years ago) link

i'm all for this thread. i want him to be amazing.

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:46 (five years ago) link

may as well keep it on this thread anyway, maybe? if there were ilb threads back in the bobby bonds and ken griffey days it would have been fun to see them morph into the barry and griffey jr era.

obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:48 (five years ago) link

Popular topic on the call-in shows here, obviously. According to one of them the other day, the team scouts almost unanimously say he's ready to play in the majors now, that he's not learning anything where he is. The ownership seems to have a timetable of their own. I expect he'll be up for good no later than April of next year, though.

clemenza, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:55 (five years ago) link

(Donaldson complicates the issue somewhat.)

clemenza, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 23:56 (five years ago) link

i'm particularly excited because not only is he amazing, but he doesn't strike out much at all

feel like they traded for gio urshela today just so they'd be able to say 'sorry we have no room for vlad jr yet'

mookieproof, Thursday, 10 May 2018 00:01 (five years ago) link

is he still in new hampshire? i need to get off my ass and see him and bo before they move up. i think i'm closer to manchester than i am buffalo or toronto or wherever their a-ball affiliates are (not that i need to worry about a-ball anymore!)

challops trap house (Will M.), Thursday, 10 May 2018 14:09 (five years ago) link

Me and some friends have a plan to see him when they are playing in Erie, which is the closest place to see him play.
I’m starting to think there is no way he’s still going to be in AA by the time that team will be playing there though.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:39 (five years ago) link

3-for-3 this morning, now batting .414 overall -- best in the minors by 35 points

mookieproof, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 15:56 (five years ago) link

That vid of Vlad Jr. hitting that bomb off a tee was pretty impressive. That is way harder to do than you would think.

earlnash, Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:09 (five years ago) link

Motion to turn title of this thred to “ gurrero & son”

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 16 May 2018 19:24 (five years ago) link

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. went 4 for 4 with a walk-off homer today.

It is May 20, and he's hitting .423/.468/.705 at Double-A.

He's barely 19 years old.

And not to sound like a broken record or anything, but he belongs in the big leagues with the Toronto Blue Jays. Like, now. https://t.co/uvuhJAsxJW

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) May 20, 2018

mookieproof, Sunday, 20 May 2018 21:19 (five years ago) link

I would absolutely not bring him up this year lol

k3vin k., Monday, 21 May 2018 02:21 (five years ago) link

no they should

frogbs, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:13 (five years ago) link

they have every incentive to keep him in the minors (except ticket sales and fun) which sucks

otoh it's gonna be a while before they're a vlad away from seriously competing with the yankees (and to a lesser extent, the red sox); maybe they should keep him in the minors for several more years

mookieproof, Monday, 21 May 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link

why? they play in a division with the red sox and yankees, and (I think) would lose a year of control if he gets brought up this year xp

k3vin k., Monday, 21 May 2018 14:25 (five years ago) link

moving him up to AAA seems inevitable at least

k3vin k., Monday, 21 May 2018 14:34 (five years ago) link

Hey--I'm happy! My issue all along was his seeming indifference to his weight. He did something about it, came back in much better shape, and--no coincidence, surely--he's the hitter we'd heard so much about.

clemenza, Monday, 17 May 2021 01:31 (two years ago) link

i'm starting to think this guy might be good

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 04:57 (two years ago) link

it's weird, just knowing a guy by his stats. i've barely seen him play. not at all this year, not last year, only a bit during 2019. he's graded at 80/80 on raw power, but then you'd look at his minor league stats and see 13 HRs in 2017, 20 or so in 2018, ok. but not he's on pace for 45+ this year, while hitting .333, on base 44% of the time. O_O OK!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 04:59 (two years ago) link

sorry, weird typos. i guess it's just cool to see him realize his power potential. it probably also helps, in a way, to be swinging against guys throwing 95+. solid contact against fast throwers = longballs

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 05:01 (two years ago) link

also, theoretically there's this thing with athletes "filling" out in their early 20s and getting stronger. personally, i have found that my body is like a coughed bird skeleton, but these are pro athletes so

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 05:19 (two years ago) link

maybe i’m cynical but i always chalked up the “filling out” to young athletes meeting “trainers” with very specific cutting edge uh nutritional regimes that dance on the edge of legality

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 07:39 (two years ago) link

it makes sense to be cynical when the words "a physical specimen" come up so often in baseball writing

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 07:56 (two years ago) link

“a UCLA product”

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 26 May 2021 08:13 (two years ago) link

Vlad had actually dropped weight going into the season. he showed up last year a little heavier and didn't perform like people had hoped so there was some pressure there.
i think it helped his fielding a lot – but with his hitting he's just stopped chasing every other pitch. i think he was way too aggressive when he came up and was wiffing on too many major league caliber pitches.
i also think moving to 1B helped, kinda like with encarnacion. i feel like playing a position you are better suited for seems to make the hitting part easier.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 26 May 2021 12:49 (two years ago) link

three months pass...

A Triple Crown for Vlad is again not entirely out of reach. (It seemed so a few weeks ago). He's regained the lead in BA, is three HR behind Ohtani and five RBI behind Abreu. He's got 24 games to make that up.

clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:34 (two years ago) link

If it ever happened, a Triple Crown vs. Ohtani would be a great MVP story.

clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 21:35 (two years ago) link

ohtani has been awful at the plate for the past month, I don’t think the MVP is completely wrapped up yet

k3vin k., Monday, 6 September 2021 22:27 (two years ago) link

Yesterday Posnanski said it is, unanimous even, but I agree, Vlad still has a shot.

clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 23:04 (two years ago) link

Assuming he doesn't get the Triple Crown, though, he'd probably have to hit lights out in some key games, and the Jays would probably have to make the playoffs to sway some voters. (Not looking to open up that argument, but I suspect it still factors in if the vote is close.)

clemenza, Monday, 6 September 2021 23:06 (two years ago) link

Triple Crown stuff:

https://www.mlb.com/news/vladimir-guerrero-jr-triple-crown-watch-2021

Not only is Guerrero contending for an AL Triple Crown, but he also has an opportunity to become the first player in 65 years (since Mickey Mantle in 1956) to lead both the AL and NL in all three categories.

• Batting average: second in MLB (two points behind Trea Turner)
• Home runs: tied for second in MLB (one behind Shohei Ohtani)
• RBIs: fourth in MLB (four behind José Abreu and Salvador Perez)

clemenza, Friday, 10 September 2021 13:26 (two years ago) link

Should a mod change the name to “vladimir guerreros.”?!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 10 September 2021 20:41 (two years ago) link

vladimirs guerrero imo

Tracer Hand, Friday, 10 September 2021 22:46 (two years ago) link

Vladimi

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:30 (two years ago) link

There is only ONE Vladimir Guerreros thread

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 September 2021 23:48 (two years ago) link

Important Vladimir Guerreros.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 11 September 2021 00:55 (two years ago) link

Home runs:
1. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- 44
2. Shohei Ohtani -- 44
3. Salvador Perez -- 42

Batting average:
1. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- .319
2. Yuli Gurriel -- .315
3. Michael Brantley -- .315

RBIs:
1. José Abreu -- 107
2. Salvador Perez -- 105
T-3. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. -- 102
T-3. Rafael Devers -- 102
T-3. Teoscar Hernández -- 102

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 September 2021 22:32 (two years ago) link

back off, teoscar

mookieproof, Monday, 13 September 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Baseball Reference WAR says two things: that one of Vladimir Guerrero's teammates was actually more valuable than Vlad was, and (2) that Carlos Correa was the best defensive player in the AL. I believe ONE of these conclusions. The other one is bat shit crazy.

— Bill James Online (@billjamesonline) October 6, 2021

Doubt he'd have such strong feelings on Correa's defensive value.

clemenza, Friday, 8 October 2021 17:49 (two years ago) link

six months pass...

lol Vladdy hit this 427 feet pic.twitter.com/GZef4HU0y1

— Andrew Mearns (@MearnsPSA) April 14, 2022

mookieproof, Thursday, 14 April 2022 18:14 (two years ago) link

Blood-Stained Hand of the Vlad

Andy K, Thursday, 14 April 2022 22:19 (two years ago) link

two months pass...

The Jays radio guys were saying how remarkably similar father and son are statistically to this point in their careers (404 games going into play today).

Senior: .312/.365/.562, 87 HR, 267 RBI

Junior: .284/.364/.513, 87 HR, 250 RBI

Seeing as Sr.'s numbers were compiled from 1996 into 2000--big hitting years--you'd have to adjust those slash stats downward, so yeah, probably pretty close. As is, unadjusted, dead on in HR and OBP.

(Sr.'s OPS+ through the completion of the 2000 season--i.e., to his 418th GP, is 146; Jr.'s is presently 136.)

clemenza, Thursday, 16 June 2022 04:28 (one year ago) link

They also pointed out Jr is doing this about two years younger!!

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:57 (one year ago) link

One of Posnanski's shareable posts:

https://joeposnanski.substack.com/p/ten-who-missed-no-10-vladimir-guerrero?r=1jtu0&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

Yes, it is much, much, much too early to be talking about Vladimir Guerrero Jr. and the Hall of Fame. As I write these words, he’s only 23 years old and has played fewer than 400 big-league games. But maybe it’s not too early to dream about something that seems impossible — a father and a son both ending up in the Baseball Hall of Fame...But even cooler — with all due respect to the Griffeys and Bondses, the Alous and Boones, Alomars and Witts, Fielders and Bells and Biggios and Bichettes — I think the Guerreros are already the most fun father-son duo in baseball history.

clemenza, Sunday, 19 June 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

<3

Asked in NY about off-season comments in which he said he’d never sign with the Yankees, “not even dead,” Vlad Guerrero Jr. doubled down, saying he has personal/family reasons for preferring not to play for the Yankees and would “never” change his mind

— Ben Nicholson-Smith (@bnicholsonsmith) April 21, 2023

mookieproof, Saturday, 22 April 2023 01:25 (eleven months ago) link

nine months pass...

BEST SHAPE OF HIS CAREER

Vladimir Guerrero Jr. Looks incredible holy shit pic.twitter.com/XpPUb0k8Xm

— Gate 14 Podcast (@Gate14Pod) February 9, 2024

mookieproof, Saturday, 10 February 2024 00:20 (two months ago) link

Looks v trim fwiw

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 10 February 2024 02:29 (two months ago) link

The man absolutely has to pop-off. It's in the stars

H.P, Saturday, 10 February 2024 02:30 (two months ago) link

one month passes...

.172/.276/.314. (Not his father's Sunday-beer-league line.)

clemenza, Saturday, 6 April 2024 13:32 (one week ago) link

I feel like I like Vladdy more than you do, and it’s still very early! Took a long at his unqualified (cos it’s early) 24 statcast numbers.

https://i.postimg.cc/KYWyN08j/IMG-8699.jpg

Is he pressing? He’s smoking the ball when he’s making contact and he’s walking a lot so his eye’s still great and the chase rate is too but he’s striking out well above his normal rate - he’s not normally a high strikeout guy. The sweet spot % (basically hitting the ball with a good launch angle that gets it off the ground and more likely to find grass rather than a glove) makes me think he’s missing his spots because he’s behind and maybe it’s a timing issue?

Assuming I’ve understood xwOBA correctly (I will welcome correction cos expected stats & me are not a happy match), he’s making good quality contact when he does make contact, maybe he’s just unlucky?

https://www.mlb.com/glossary/statcast/expected-woba

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 6 April 2024 14:39 (one week ago) link

You probably do at this point--the closer you are, the more exasperating he can be. It was the same last year: all his advanced metrics suggested he was hitting in bad luck. All year we heard that. I'm like Jeff Blair (local radio guy) at this point: enough. (Directing that at Vlad, not you.) The thing that really changed me with regards to Vlad was learning how dispropotionately his big year was driven by those minor-league parks.

He's definitely pressing. And I'm sure he's got a few dozen people whispering in his ear what he needs to do, from his father on down, and they're all telling him different things.

clemenza, Saturday, 6 April 2024 15:19 (one week ago) link


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