dubstep

http://hyperdubrecords.blogspot.com/2007/10/burial-untrue-november-2007.html

http://hyperdubrecords.blogspot.com/2007/10/burial-untrue-november-2007.html

i don't know from dubstep but i love the (first) burial record. what stuff is similar? (i like the kode9 and spaceape one, too)

xpost lamonte:: you could check out cyrus/random trio. a little bit more stripped down than the burial stuff but with a similar vibe.

given i don't actively like the burial or the kode 9 cds you might want to take this with a pinch of salt but... My Demons by Distance is great. also enjoyed the MRK-1 album. both out within a week of each other...

that Box Of Dub compilation may be more your style though - burial, lots of hyperdub, scuba...

Playing the new Box Of Dub comp (vol 2, out late nov I think) now. Pretty good. Much more dub than step in a lot of cases

TRacklisting BTW:

01. Ramadanman - Every Next Day
02. Pinch (feat.Rudey Lee) - Step 2 it
03. Cult of the 13th Hour - Wickedness
04. Cotti - Tamil Dub
05. Kode 9 - Stung
06. Digital Mystikz - Theif in Da Night
07. Sub Version - Soul Jah Boogie
08. Digital Mystikz - Third One
09. Cotti (feat. Kingpin) - Let Go Mi Shirt
10. Pinch - Chamber
11. Skream - Too Much Sushi

whats good by pinch?

> pinch

qawwali is the classic, i think. punisher very good too (must get those remixes...) the new(?) one, pepper spray, i've seen good things written about but haven't heard yet.

t/s: dubstep vs nu skool breaks

For a while I thought the Burial album might be a rumor (with a clue in the title).

Qawwali is the best dubstep tune evarrr.

10 Tons Heavy
http://www2.planet-mu.com/discography/ZIQ195

looks like some kind of best of for planet mu's dubstep artists. tracklisting looks great but i have 60% of it already.

Apart from "Qawwali", my favourite Pinch track (and the most similar to the aforementioned) is his remix of Monkeysteak's "Lighthouse Dub".

Lamonte, if you like the Kode 9/Spaceape stuff I reckon you'd also like Mala's recent solo work quite a bit, although his last 12" wasn't as good as the mammoth Change/Forgive 12".

Whats good in the hood ?

Hey, remember dubstep?

martyn's twenty four. theo parrish step. sort of...

whatever happened to that hunta d guy?

i think he was a sockpuppet?

It was so hard to tell back then.

Ha ha look at this the first thread on dubstep on ILM and look how positive I was!

"AND FINNEY I DONT WANNA HEAR A PEEP OUTA YOU COS U RATE APHRODITE AND THAT JUST SHOWS U FOR DA CHICHI U ARE. U WAN COME TEST ILL DICE U UP FASS. TRUS"

Bless.

For the record, I totally used that 2 live crew "partayyyy" sample in a track well before Falty DL did.

hi, guys. i need some recommendation of the best dubstep mixes from 2009. thanks!

this one's not bad

DJ Pete's first hardwax podcast is quality stuff. Not so keen on the 2nd one though.

Wax Treatment Podcast #001 - DJ Pete

So my friend asked me to run down a dubstep overview for him, I offered to burn him a 2CD compilation. Not being all that much of an expert, I here appeal to ILM to guide me in making something good; at the moment I'm stuck at this:

disc 1:

Skream - midnight request line
Burial - Archangel
kode9 - 9 samurai
Digital Mystikz - Misty Winter
the bug - Poison Dart
Pinch - Qawalii
Shackleton - Blood on my Hands
Ramadanman - Blimey

Disc 2:
mount kimbie - maybes
darkstar - aidy's girl is a computer
zomby - spliff dub (Rustie Remix)
Untold - Anaconda
Joker and Ginz - Purple City
Ikonika - Please
Martyn - All I have is memories
2562 - dinosaur
peverelist - infinity is now
pangaea - router
appleblim and peverelist - over here

I also want to represent many of the facets of what dubstep has morphed into, but really don't know my way around funky house, and whatever else, which is something I might as well learn about anyways.

As it stands I have like 40 minutes free on the first disc, and 20 on the second, for what it's worth.

You probably want Night by Benga and Coki and Hyph Mngo by Joy Orbison on there.

This is a favourite of mine, but it's not a massive anthem or anything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-EZtKpXGBE

Night, right. I was thinking about, and probably will ultimately include Emotions by Benga, since it's the only track of his that I've heard that I can stand (and do quite like at that).

Dude already knows about joy orbison, so I opted to leave out the mngo.

Thanks, though!

I also want to represent many of the facets of what dubstep has morphed into, but really don't know my way around funky house, and whatever else, which is something I might as well learn about anyways.

UK funky didn't emerge from dubstep so don't worry. Your second disc is a decent overview of "what dubstep has morphed into" assuming you're trying to repress the existence of the Caspa/Rusko/Distance/Coki etc end of the scene.

If I was gonna add stuff to your comp (which looks good) I'd add:

1) Some early stuff like Horsepower Productions, Zed Bias, DJ Abstract, Artwork etc

2) Some Mala, e.g. "Left Leg Out", "Change", "Forgive" etc.

3) Maybe something more "classic dubstep" sounding but still musical if yr friend likes that kinda thing, e.g. Hotflush label circa 2007 like Vaccine's "Breathless".

maybe some Distance (Tuning) and some Vex'd (Crusher Dub) on the first cd. and some MRK-1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZ8_EGCrSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHAgsnmUdfM

and some moving ninja on the second, ankoku butoh perhaps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrLiV7ho1f0

My faves of the genre tend to feature vocals and a roots-y vibe:

Jkamata + 2000f - "You Don't Know What Love Is"
LV feat. Dandelion - "CCTV"
Uncle Sam - "Round The World Girls" (Tes La Rok VIP Mix)

Also, while many purists despise it, you could put a token jump-up track like "Where's My Money?" by Caspa.

caspa has some good ones like louder and terminator.

Thanks for the recommendations.

I think it's only proper to have some pre 2005 stuff. like horsepower, hatcha, dj abstract, but this is foreign territory to me, I don't know if there are one or two particularly essential tracks...

tbh, for me at least, a lot of that stuff, like the first dubstep allstars comp, and a lot of whats on the roots of dubstep comp, barring a few tracks, its pretty boring. really going nowhere insipid almost chilled out vibey stuff. the 'dread' isnt really that present. stuff like horsepowers golden nugget is classic obv but thats a little bit later. good for mixing id think, to slide into a set, but not that interesting on its own. i know its meant to be more vibey than hit you in the head type music, but it didnt really do that either from where im standing. the stuff guys like skream and benga did early on was much better.

yeah, I agree. I think there's too much value put into the "golden age" of dubstep by many.

yeah its dreary stuff. doesnt work really as uk garage or as dubstep, its just transitional stuff. all those soft wafting dubby chords are pretty snooze inducing.

Why did it take so long for dubstep to get the energy boost it needed to start becoming more accessible to people who weren't interested in "meditating on bass-weight" and just wanted a new beat to step to? It took up to maybe 3-4 years from its inception to become a proper dance phenomenon.

I remember about 2006 inviting a dubstep DJ to open one of my club nights and feeling that the slow drifting sounds were sucking all the energy out of the half-empty room. Nowadays when I invite people from Stink Like Sock to play, they headline the night and it's full of kids going bonkers.

Scenes have always taken time to build and go overground - dubstep and grime are the most obvious examples - it's just the microscope is on them from the very start now and if they're not massive within months its viewed as a failure.

Haha yeah, the first dubstep set I ever saw was sandwiched between DnB and techno at an eclectic warehouse rave and utterly cleared the dancefloor in about thirty seconds. I myself thought it was terribly dull. That must've been 05 or 06.

xpost

There was more dubstep at Glastonbury than there was house or techno, it was kind of annoying.

xpost are you talking about the wobble type stuff? cos old dubsteppers dont like that do they? i like some of it, but a lot is really samey. but then the older dready/oppressive/stiff/dead stuff was bloody samey too. just depends on what same you like. thing is though the early stuff like skream, benga, and even early digital mystikz was pretty dancey. they just ended up getting much much slower during dubstep's 'golden age'.

wobble as in the mid range end which is the most popular type, obv.

Wobble (the LFO-driven buzz-saw stuff like on the Caspa/Rusko Fabric mix, right?) got me listening again tbh, but yeah, it's become just as stale as drum'n'bass did when all the jump-up stuff was flooding in in the mid-late nineties. I was more referring to the incredibly slow, uncatchy drifting bass pads and quasi-arabic rhythms that I first heard on things like the Rephlex "Grime" comp and the early dubstep allstars comps. I just couldn't really get into that no matter how hard I tried. It all sounded way too slow and empty, unstructured almost with all the bass sounds like whales drifting past. It's why when the Caspa/Rusko came along and annoyed all the purists, I didn't really understand. Much more interested in decent rhythms and on-point bass, but there's a bit of a push-pull thing going on between wobble and bass-weight stuff. Too much of either tends to sound either boring or generic.

I won't profess to being an expert, just my views.

yeah, im in a similar boat. liked some of the 'golden age' stuff, but god a lot of it was deathly dull. though naturally you had some good tracks, the emptiness (purposeful or not) of that halfstep era overall was mind numbing. i liked the bass but it was just bass stripped of all its heat, like digidub/jungle for hippies who couldnt take the heaviness of jungle and liked the bass but only as long as everything was nice and comforting. the best stuff i think was what you had on the bingo beats 3 mix, or plasticman and mark one, or early digital mystikz tunes like chainba or b. the more industrial stuff that had something happening rhythmically. the fabric mix is classic really, but too much of what you get now is too formulaic/stupid. alot of what i hear benga and skream play now is just like big beat or stadium dubstep, really awful braindead shit for rock fans.

re: the nice and comforting thing, this has its place of course, and you can look at it as a negative or positive, but its not like even guys like loefah or mala would argue against, theyve all said as much thats what they were going for with their raves. which i mean is nice really, who wants aggro in a club, but the music seemed very self aware of that, to get rid of anything that might inspire a 'bad vibe'.

The first Dubstep Allstars mix is dull but that's not because there's no good early dubstep. First Horsepower Productions album, DJ Abstract's "Touch", the El-B singles on Ghost, stuff like Zed Bias's remix of "Hook & A Line" if it counts.... In general I agree with the argument that the "roots of dubstep" etc are overrated, and of course I prefer 2-step per se but EDB's comp is supposed to be about dubstep not 2-step.

Dubstep bored me silly until I saw Kode9 DJ in 2007, which showed me what it could all be. I agree that it seems the value placed on early stuff seems more of a longing for the past, at least given how much much more interesting I think stuff became as the decade moved on.

Ultimately, though, after some looking around I ended up putting in DJ Abstract's Touch and Horsepower's Classic Deluxe, which do sound pretty 2-steppy, I guess, which is fine by me. I personally had to bite my tongue a few times about certain inclusions; even midnight request line, which is at the beginning of the cd, I feel is there to sort of get it over with. But I'm a latecomer to the genre, and a casual fan at best, so take that as you will.

saying all that though, hatchas practise hours 2005 mix is worth seeking out.

can't believe this thread was started 10 years ago. venerable dubstep. aged dubstep.

ten years for skrillex nation to be born. sorry, grime, we're picky here.

hauntologic anciency

Devolution into brostep, definitely sadder and weirder than "Emo" devolving into manga-glam nu-metal-pop.

so...there's a Brand Nubian dubstep remix album

weird

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyMRI0Xf0VU

i love how dubstep is a thing that's just plugged into music now

brb, going to kmart for a six pack of dubsteps

Cheesy dubstep drops have even made it into Eurovision now, I noticed last night.

every second song, whether it belonged there or not

'oh noes there's a four second lull in this ballad, chuck a wub in there'

one song (norway?) even sounded completely finished, but with a sheet of dubstep just draped over it for no reason

Dog latin today confirmed dubstep was over rip

ps idk what is dubstep but

Brostep lives.

dog latin OTM

It has left a legacy though. Something like the Maya Jane Coles album, which is not dubstep, is quite influenced by its mood and textures.

So Midnight and Woman by Loefah are getting a release - limited to 300 copies

I'm quite pissed off about this

that is ridiculously limited for a tune like that, is it so that they can pump up the price?

i guess it's the famous "lost" track, and since it used to only exist as 3 dubplates, 300 is 100 for each dubplate?

I'm quite pissed off about this

― paolo, Saturday, December 6, 2014

I realized long ago, for all the out of print records with no copies for sale, for all the records that are expensive now because of discogs profiteers, for all the records that you hear and don't know what they even are

there are other records, better records, cheaper records, fresher records

http://www.discogs.com/sell/release/6396100?ev=rb

3 For Sale from £300.00

big payday coming for percypisspot

tyler00o

£340,282,000,000,000,014,192,072,600,900,000,000,000.00 + shipping

"+ shipping"!

that aside though this kind of thing is dogshit when labels like Rise Above do it with 'occult metal' albums and backpatches etc and this detached gauzy tumblr lookin label is just as bad

https://twitter.com/MrBeatnick/status/542686122393227265

you'll probably be too late though, buy some other records instead!

might be a joke tho idk:P

The VICE Oral History of Dubstep

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/an-oral-history-of-dubstep-vice-lauren-martin-610/page/0?utm_source=Stack&utm_campaign=a058123bb3-stack&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_28a82e4150-a058123bb3-123816173

TOPICS: dubstep, oral history, Lauren Martin, Music, United Kingdom, Croydon, DMZ, FWD>>, Mass, Plastic People, Mala, Loefah, Sgt Pokes, Martin Clark, Youngsta, Kode9, Oris Jay, Artwork, Benny Ill, Joe Nice, Coki, Skream, Chef, Big Apple, garage, dub, 2-step, drum and bass, reggae, history of dubstep, Jason Goz, Hijak, Caspa, Burial, Dub War, Pinch, Digital Mystikz, Tectonic

https://twitter.com/katiecouric/status/614157420982616064

good read (the Vice thing i mean, lol)

DUBSTEP WARZ

repeated in full
Weds night/Thurs morning 2-4am @BBC6Music

Digital Mystikz @mala_dmz @coki_dmz @I_Skream @kodenine + The Spaceape
Vex'd @RolyPorter @kuedo_ @DJHATCHA + Crazy D@loefah + @sgtpokes @DjDistance

+ online for 30 days 👇https://t.co/0yF5cBKEnP pic.twitter.com/LxbzyYZ4uT

— maryanne hobbs (@maryannehobbs) January 13, 2021

Dubstep's 'Sgt Pepper'-photo coming to life, 15 years on. (Kode9 filmed it). Feels like it's been 25 years already though tbf

Did a double-take when it panned to the right, poor Roly Vex'd kind of looks like Matt Hancock in that lighting :o

Not sure whether I'm biased because I finally picked up a Subpac, but there has been some pretty decent new dubstep getting aired on Bristol's new electronic station SWU.FM recently: https://www.swu.fm/

still get nostalgic for the old dubstep days from time to time, but don't listen to much nowadays. great memories though, skream playing in a basement to about 30 people in glasgow and DMZ second birthday, Exodus and DMZ at the West Indian Centre in Leeds all 2006/2007, i think), skream gave me the nickname "Hanson" - which he pronounced with a dropped H - because he thought i looked like Alan Hanson. halcyon days

after wondering about this since 2005, this morning, just now, The Death Of Mr Spock shuffled up from some Trojan comp and it's basically vex'd's Crusher Dub. i can now rest easy.

(um, Spock, Crusher... the clues were all there)

edition of 10, 8 left (I bought one yesterday) - man, this genre really is dead, isn't it :-(

https://variousproduction.bandcamp.com/album/foller

not according to my eldest who lives in london and been going to loads of dubstep nights in recent months.
like d-n-b, the nights are a mix of new names and original 140 legends.
sounds like the nights are very popular.
weirdly, i recently ordered the various productions remix album on cd.
that and their proper album still hit the spot.

I had that remix one in my car cd player forever, nice backup when I didn't feel like fiddling with my phone and bluetooth

just a shame they couldn't licence the adele/m.i.a remixes for the release as i never grabded any of their ltd vinyl releases.
also, just checked, i still have their Clash mixtape.
suspect that was actually the first thing i listened to that made me get the dubstep thing a little more.