Which are John Peel's 140 fave albums?

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"Hand Springs" is great though.

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:03 (eighteen years ago) link

What don't you like about the other 136 records?

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:18 (eighteen years ago) link

i've never heard most of them, and don't like the others.

most of them are before my time, to be fair. and from genres i have no enthusiasm for.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:20 (eighteen years ago) link

> The Squirrels - Oz on 45

ha ha. i have this on tape from one of his shows in the late 80s (?). it's various songs from the wizard of oz done in a 'Stars on 45' style.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy shit MP3 plz.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

that's a weird list. the 9 white stripes singles seem too many. recently i asked someone where to start with them (5 albums yet) and that person said, they are all essential. i immediately thought fuck them then. i mean what i heard of them was ok but i'll never get 5 cds by them. if all is equally good it is also equally bad.

the cat power single he chose is from her 1st album. the only one i don't have!

the buzzcocks are the only punk band on there i know. excellent band and song choice for that genre that's for sure.

i am surprised not to find any joy div, the fall and the smiths on there. didn't he like the smiths?

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link

the whole list looks a little far-fetched to me as if he only liked pretty unknown stuff. it's almost like a collector's list. i am disappointed, i must say.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 24 October 2005 15:45 (eighteen years ago) link

> Does no-one notice a certain band conspicuous by their absence?

said certain band makes two appearances on his Fabric cd (ok, 1 and a half) which i think is more representative of his live sets.

might have the Golinksi Brothers thing somewhere as well. and the YMCA thing.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:04 (eighteen years ago) link

X-post

I'm wondering why you are feeling disapointment over the musical choices of a man whose tastes are obviously completely unknown to you?

Peel is not famous for inventing student discos. Even in the mid-80s he was more likely to play the Bhundu Boys than the Smiths. He was no more a champion of Joy Division than he was of Charlie Feathers. And dozens of his favourite bands like Bogshed, Marc Riley and the Creepers and Half Man Half Biscuit easily surpassed the Smiths in terms of airplay and sessions recorded.

As for saying it's like a "collectors" list. Errrrr. Well, firstly he WAS a collector. Secondly, "Danger -High Voltage", "9 to 5", "Down Down", "Happening Ten Years Time Ago", "Without You", "Everybody's Talking", "My Friend Jack" and lots of others on this list are familiar top 40 hits in the UK.

everything, Monday, 24 October 2005 16:25 (eighteen years ago) link

maybe i should have said surprised instead of disappointed. surprised because of the little overlap between his and my favourite music. you are absolutely right i don't know shit about the music john peel loved, i hardly ever listened to his program.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it's a fantastic list of singles. Yeah, my eyes paused on the Sheena Easton, but of the stuff I know, I love it, and I'm really curious about the stuff I don't know. I also find it hard to understand how one could be dismissive, or at least not curious, about the stuff they don't know. I assume the box was a constant work in progress since there's a fair amount of music from the last 10 years.

TRG (TRG), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

The Users - Sick of you
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2F3ROL9WXDZMK1ZSA2RG4PWLA5

Ann Peebles - I can't stand the rain
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0CB2I2NKE3CO227I6PYLQEMTJE

The Misunderstood - I can take you to the sun
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1AUXZEX3IC62V16UCCOI66AAJ1

Yardbirds - Happenings ten years time ago
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0HLWUPSZL2HI80MO553AE4PQHD

The Upsetters - Bucky skank
http://s53.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=12MMFIFYUQARU1ZJI5LB9NCK9S

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Mike: Thanks so much for YSIing those! I was just searching for Bucky Skank, so this is a happy coincidence. And wow - that Peebles song is excellent!

TRG (TRG), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:14 (eighteen years ago) link

I've got six more on the way... just digitising them now.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

God, I'm just so fucking NICE...

Don Covay - It's better to have
http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3UWKNVKTQ555F33D56VT92IHWO

The Quads - There must be thousands
http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1YOI7FECKSE1J1UZU76DFNYQ7H
(Contrary to the list in The Times, this was the actual A-side.)

Some Chicken - New religion
http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=22ZJHKNAJN9LJ2MQ960POLMMFA

Stanley Winston - No more ghettos in America
http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LL6TN4LO1I7Z21OP7RD1S7GOA
(Taped off an early 1980s Peel Show. History does not record precisely how JP finished the sentence at the end, but I think it might have been something to do with how the song never failed to make him cry.)

The Freshmen - You never heard anything like it
http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=09C48W852XJOA2UK23BM7MNA26
(Taped off a 1979 Peel show on a knackered cassette recorder, hence even rougher quality than Stanley Winston. When listening, bear in mind that The Freshmen were a middle aged Irish showband "doing punk".)

Mel and Tim - Starting all over again
http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3JZ8NPR3LNCOK09NDPCPFHHEVN

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:58 (eighteen years ago) link

(NOW look me in the eyes and tell me that's a disappointing selection.)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Monday, 24 October 2005 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Thanks once again! Much appreciated.

TRG (TRG), Monday, 24 October 2005 23:46 (eighteen years ago) link

thank you mike. i am intrigued to listen to the stuff.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I had that Pocket Fishrmen record on the list a long time ago. IIRC it sort of sounds like Sonic Youth doing another Crime cover. Maybe a bit like the one time Am Rep band, Vertigo.

NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:16 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not disappointed in the slightest by the selection.

The only one I'm surprised with is Nilsson's "Without You". It was number one for ages at the time, and I hated it as much as "Everything I do". Now, I can appreciate it more, without necessarily liking it. (The other Nilsson on is fant. btw)

Oh, and I am so "YEAH!" for the YSI's. THAKNS!

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 07:15 (eighteen years ago) link

bringing the avarage quality WAY down...

Golinsky Brothers:
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3NGITRP1UY8I43T00VESKDP2GS

Galactic Symposium:
http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0ATGKR0A2GO8711EPN7L7K1TH9

i only found the squirrels track this morning so that'll have to wait...

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 08:20 (eighteen years ago) link

My life is measurably the richer for having heard these two tracks. A thousand thank yous.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 08:37 (eighteen years ago) link

La Peste - Better Off Dead is fucking ace as well and hasn't been mentioned. Subject matter a bit controversial in the light of some of the stories about Peel, i.e. getting head off a 13 year old girl...

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Hee hee. I *love* that song

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:19 (eighteen years ago) link

The Upsetters - Bucky skank + Yucky skank
Oh, fantastic. Truly pioneering; pre-dates even Augustus Pablo. I discovered this on the orginal 7" last year

What do you mean predates Augustus Pablo? I mean what's the significance?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Very very early dub innit. Particularly on the B-side.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link

(What I meant was that "Bucky Skank/Yucky Skank" (1973) pre-dates Augustus Pablo's "King Tubby Meets The Rockers Uptown", (1974) which is often credited as the first dub track. But I'm skating on thin ice with this sort of stuff...)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:04 (eighteen years ago) link

If I could get this PC to record, I'd be giving youse Bafflin Smoke Sigs.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:05 (eighteen years ago) link

(xpost) Haha, I'm going to try to be a good boy and not be a reggaebore about this! But "Bucky Skank" is a version track not a dub track as such...

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh dear, I knew I was getting into hot water with this (he said, mixing metaphors wildly). Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen, as Wittgenstein once said hem hem.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:38 (eighteen years ago) link

some great, great records there. as for the massive amount of jack white 7"s, well, John loved the Stripes, and Jack, and since the majority of those 7"s are collectors items (and had become so very soon after their fame exploded) i don't doubt they are precious to him, as Jack probably gave 'em him himself.

alex... you hate most of these records because you've never heard of them? insane. the reason why the cult of peel is so swollen, and why people mourn his passing so much, is because he would probably have greeted a carton of 140 records he'd never heard of as a reason for celebration, because he was always interested in that which he wasn't already familiar.

the person who pointed out Peel didn't invent indie discos is my new favourite poster.

that's a weird list. the 9 white stripes singles seem too many. recently i asked someone where to start with them (5 albums yet) and that person said, they are all essential. i immediately thought fuck them then. i mean what i heard of them was ok but i'll never get 5 cds by them. if all is equally good it is also equally bad.

yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me either. but i'd say start with 'die stihl' (the 'songwriting' album) or 'get behind me satan' (my favourite, their most unhiged and also their most crafted), or track down a copy of 'handsprings', which might be the best thing they've ever done.

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I hear Dan Brown is following up the "Da Vinci Code" with a book about the quest to find the "first ever dub track"

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link

(by which i mean if all is equally good it is also equally bad doesn't make any sense to me)

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link

The Legion of Super-Heroes AND The Mighty Avengers!

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:58 (eighteen years ago) link

I like that Mighty Avengers song, I remember JP playing it late '99 when he was playing songs from all the years of the 20th century.

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:01 (eighteen years ago) link

Right, just to prove a point:

White Stripes, Hand Springs:
http://s37.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=11N6E2EVBV6ES07N8XF2K56CD2

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 11:43 (eighteen years ago) link

you are doing the lord's work there, mark...

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

fittingly, Stripes neophytes could do little better than checking out the band's two sessions for Peel

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:56 (eighteen years ago) link

alex... you hate most of these records because you've never heard of them?
i didn't say that, foxy boxer. you interpret my words. and you interpret them very badly. it's more like if someone chooses his 140 favourite singles and there are only about ten i know and maybe two or three i love why should i bother about the rest. john peel's and my taste seem to be too disparate. maybe it has to do that i am more the album guy (that's where the fault in the thread title comes from) who somehow has never got rid of that prejudice against singles and top 40 stuff i have from the mid 70s when i discovered bands like pink floyd and genesis whom i don't care about too much today. the weird thing is that i used to like blues a lot and still do though i hardly ever listen to it. i also like world music and reggae but rarely listen to it. john peel's record box is very personal. but as i said in my last post i am still curious about it. i listened to the eleven songs mike posted and i appreciated some of them. especially the users, the upsetters, the misunderstood, the yardbirds, some chicken and don covay. and the golinski brothers.

concerning the white stripes. i like them in theory. that hand springs song is great but i think i prefer the blues originals. e.g. i was glad to see lightnin hopkins and elmore james on the list. all this probably doesn't make sense but why should it? john peel' record box doesn't make sense to me neither. there are too many blind spots in it when it concerns my favourites. some artists i couldn't not imagine in my record box: joni mitchell, nick drake, the velvet underground, joy division, the smiths, the cure, giant sand, yo la tengo, talk talk, neil young, the field mice, lambchop, brian eno, roxy music, bob dylan, keith jarrett, pere ubu, wipers, lloyd cole, mary margaret o'hara, pixies, sonic youth, idaho, swell, red house painters, cowboy junkies, robert wyatt, pinback, aimee mann, radiohead, my bloody valentine, meat puppets, feelies, gun club, catherine wheel, new order, nirvana, smashing pumpkins, the chills, american analog set, cocteau twins, talking heads and many more.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope you enjoy writing lists cos I think that was meant for Lex not you :(

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

That's all fine. That's your box. xpost

My box would also be different. Some from Peels, Some from yours, and a lot of stuff not so.

Still, I'm keen to hear the stuff I haven't heard, so let them roll.

Hey, if this thread eventually contains 140 YSI's then that will be the best.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

yousendit doesn't work right now. any other upload suggestions? i can only contribute three items. the laurie anderson song, the buzzcocks song and the three beatles songs.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

here is come together.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:22 (eighteen years ago) link

I hope you enjoy writing lists cos I think that was meant for Lex not you :(

yes, completely. sorry if that wasn't clear!

foxy boxer (stevie), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Big Stick - Drag Racing:

http://s20.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3TN4P4ZNJ3M2I20WFYZP2WM42Q

everything, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

no that wasn't clear at all!

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:33 (eighteen years ago) link

buzzcocks - ever fallen in love

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:35 (eighteen years ago) link

the beatles - octopus's garden

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:43 (eighteen years ago) link

boards of canada - aquarius (but please get their new one. it's astounding.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link

the beatles - something

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 17:15 (eighteen years ago) link

"Dreamland Express" is not "Dream Express", a euro-disco outfit from 1974 or thereabouts.

We Shall Never Know.

Mark G, Thursday, 17 January 2013 12:42 (eleven years ago) link

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-asHmCt-is

John Plays "Tickey Dopies"

Mark G, Wednesday, 11 September 2013 13:18 (ten years ago) link

one year passes...

Hello folks.

I am just about finished with this project.

Let's summarise what I don't have (or you might not have)

27. Dreamland Express - Groovy + u.f.o (EMI) - This I have had no luck on finding, but I have found some possible leads as to who they were....
32 Electro Hippies - Mega-armageddon Death (Peel session) - This is a Strange Fruit promo, it has "You Sexy Thing" by Cud on the other side!
34 Firemen - Old Smokie / Louie's theme - This I have got via ebay, might take a month to get here.
70 Nice - The thoughts of Emerlist Davjack (IMMEDIATE) - This is a one sided promo, with JPeel commantary. I do have this from a broadcast, with latter day Peel talking over it.
86 Sasha Caro - Grade 3 section 2 + Little maid's song (DECCA) 1967 - I lost out on ebay last week, this is somewhat pricey and hard to find. The side 2 here is anthologised, not found side 1.
90. Sipho Bhengu - Tickey dopies + I saluti (INKONKONI) 1971 - Found it!
141. Yami Bolo - Richer than Cory (JAMAICA INTERNATIONAL) - On its way.

Note that the three Nilsson singles are actually just one record, a "hits" e.p. with three tracks on it.

Yeah, possibly no-one's interested but hey.

Mark G, Friday, 20 March 2015 15:41 (nine years ago) link

(i would love a good copy of the sipho bengu.)

koogs, Friday, 20 March 2015 17:34 (nine years ago) link

pm me, can sort it.

Mark G, Friday, 20 March 2015 18:01 (nine years ago) link

Is the Nilsson EP thing confirmed as existing? It's not apparently on Discogs. I have an EP of Without You but the tracklisting is different (and it's also not on Discogs).

everything, Friday, 20 March 2015 21:16 (nine years ago) link

http://www.discogs.com/Nilsson-Without-You/release/778212

Mark G, Friday, 20 March 2015 22:28 (nine years ago) link

(have eventually sent email, mark. was waiting until i was back in front of proper computer)

koogs, Monday, 23 March 2015 10:00 (nine years ago) link

look now.

Mark G, Monday, 23 March 2015 10:38 (nine years ago) link

Just found my "Pop a top" b-side "The Lion Speaks" Rico, cuts at one minute in.

Does anyone have the full version?

Mark G, Monday, 23 March 2015 10:39 (nine years ago) link

probably, somewhere.

koogs, Monday, 23 March 2015 10:51 (nine years ago) link

those sipho bhengu tracks are both from a compilation mentioned here: http://electricjive.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/thala-thala-1971.html

koogs, Monday, 23 March 2015 11:33 (nine years ago) link

Yes, I think that's where I got the tracks from.

Mark G, Monday, 23 March 2015 11:36 (nine years ago) link

http://danger-man.co.uk/rickminas.asp

I can't try it here, but it seems to be a link to the Sasha Caro tracks...

Mark G, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:44 (nine years ago) link

Yes, links are live. I think we had at least one of those before.

koogs, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:35 (nine years ago) link

Well, that's the lot either accounted for or on its way!

Except for Dreamland Express...

Mark G, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link

five months pass...

Aside from the Dreamland Express tracks and the Firemen, "Old Smokie", I know have an mp3 of everything on the list.

Mark G, were you able to track down Firemen, "Old Smokie"?

ChuckyG, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 12:35 (eight years ago) link

Yes I did. I actually managed to get a decent copy off Ebay.

Funny, this is the single that JP managed to destroy by dropping it down the back of a fridge, or some such, and all he could do was to ask his listeners to track him down a new one.

So, drop me a line..

Mark G, Wednesday, 2 September 2015 12:45 (eight years ago) link

five months pass...

He never did, you know..

Mark G, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 06:52 (eight years ago) link

What's the deal with Dreamland Express? Any leads on whether it's real or just a total mystery?

everything, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link

I found a gig flyer with Fairport Convention and Dreamland Express, but more than that, no.

Mark G, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:07 (eight years ago) link

...which also had John Peel on the bill, right?

everything, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:09 (eight years ago) link

http://www.marmalade-skies.co.uk/middleearth3sep67.jpg

everything, Wednesday, 17 February 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link

three years pass...

One of these days, I'll get Tom Ravenscroft back on the case...

Mark G, Saturday, 6 July 2019 12:31 (four years ago) link

eleven months pass...

Hi all,
My Covid lockdown project has been John Peel's record box. I've come pretty close to getting them all. I need I'm not Drinking More - Al Ferrier and Ticky Dopies/ I Saluti - Sipho Bhengu, and , of course, Dreamland Express - I think I saw somewhere that John Peel may have played the Dreamland Express tunes on his show. Is that true? Mark G, I see from a post about 5 years ago that you got hold of the Sipho Bhengu. I would dearly love to have copies of these tracks (and the rest of the Thala Thala compilation album)

If Mark G or anyone else can help me with these last few tunes that would be great. Does anyone else need any from the list?

Alexrob, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link

Just sent you a Webmail with a link to the Al Ferrier song.

city worker, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link

And..

Mark G, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 17:17 (three years ago) link

city worker - thank you so much. I had kind of resigned myself to failure, or at the very least a long long wait to find that. Do you have any gaps in your collection? Who knows, I moght have something you're after. You're welocme to any music I have.

Alexrob, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link

Mark G, Hi. Did you send a weblink as well? It hasn't come through to me....
I have to say, I'm amazed and delighted to get these responses.

Alexrob, Tuesday, 30 June 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link

Hi,

Not as yet, but.

Mark G, Wednesday, 1 July 2020 06:26 (three years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Listening to Peel's intro to a 1973 Be Bop Deluxe session and it's striking how different his on-air voice is from later years. He's even more lugubrious and deep-voiced in 1973. Anyone know if the change was intentional or just something that gradually happened?

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:27 (three years ago) link

He definitely tried his hardest to distance himself from his fluty-voiced public school hippy persona of the late 60s, I didn't know he was doing it as early as '73 though.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link

I think Marc Bolan broke his hippy heart tbh.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link

coulda been bowie

Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link

I have a theory that when he was in the process of trying to lose his hippy trappings he based a lot of his vocal mannerisms on John Walters, his producer, they could sound very similar.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link


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