Linda Ronstadt - Classic or Dud?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (253 of them)
Her cover of Tumblin' Dice rules!

Bryan Moore (Bryan Moore), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Lots of great singles, like "Poor, Poor Pitiful Me."

briania (briania), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Anything after 1977 (Simple Dreams) is pretty much crap IMO, especially her attempts at singing standards with the Nelson Riddle Orchestra.

bah. mad love is awesome! rickey wright already namechecked "how do i make you" but lemme also throw in "justine."

stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw her last year singing mostly standards. Even more than the usual pipes/power/range criteria, her delivery is phenomenal. At one point, the way she sang the "d" in the word "don't" blew me away. People think I'm crazy for bringing up the way she sings consonants, but if you heard you'd understand. Some of her choices of material in the '70s were meh, but still - classic, overall.

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

to be pompous for a second, she has this great style of a very tightly controlled portamento -- a lot of singers kinda artlessly slide between notes as if what's going on between points A and B is of no consequence whatsoever (and sometimes, like bad figure skaters, their liftoffs/landings themselves are sloppy). you can tell linda is paying attention every moment she's singing, and i admire that.

stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

People think I'm crazy for bringing up the way she sings consonants

again, it's just the mark of good training! any teacher with a brain will go over the shaping of consonants and vowels with his students.

stockholm cindy's secret childhood (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link

"Mr Plow is a loser and I think he is a boozer..."

Alienus Quam Reproba (blueski), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Best albums that we have not been overexposed to were the " Canciones de ma padre" ( sp ) i.e. "Songs for my Father" , sung in Spanish and the lush one she did with Nelson Riddle doing the string arrangements.

Also we thank her/hate her for hiring Don Henley as her drummer...

Brian C, Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

The ambivalent essay in "Stranded" about the merit of her Zevon, Orbison, and Young covers has always made me curious to check out "Heart Like A Wheel" and "Living in the USA," but I've never made the effort.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 16 February 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Well actually the song "Heart Like A Wheel" reminds me of the song Bette Midler did later, "The Rose", only "Heart Like A Wheel" is slower. The notes are much the same.

Linda Ronstadt's version of "Someone To Lay Down Beside Me" is an exquisite gem of a song. I still haven't heard the original Karla Bonoff version, but I love the tune and the way Linda sings it.
My favourite Ronstadt song.

When I was about 8 years old, my friend's parents next door used to play this album, and I still say this is the one to have:

http://chartts.tripod.com/HISTORY/1977.JPG

Other favourites include her version of Tumbling Dice and that Warren Zevon cover...what was it? Ah yes, "Poor Poor Pitiful Me". My favourite thing to play at the end of an academic quarter. I like Linda. She can sing.

The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Friday, 3 June 2005 08:23 (eighteen years ago) link

once again, i love her.

to let - flats (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 3 June 2005 08:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah she's great. I don't know much (aha!!!) about her work with the Stone Poneys, but what I've heard sounds quite appealing. My favourite of hers is "Dedicated To The One I Love", the album of lullabyes she made for her own baby in the early nineties. Instrumentation: glass harmonica, harp and multi-layered vocals. And that's pretty much it. Unbelievable.
Also seek her version of Jimmy Webb's "Adios", a phenomenal song heartbreakingly sung. And I *adore* "Don't Know Much".

harvey.w (harvey.w), Friday, 3 June 2005 11:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Classic for "Blue Bayou" and for her absolutely entrancing performance as Mabel in the movie of Pirates of Penzance. Also for the song she guests on on Graceland, "Under African Skies."

But she also made some clunky mistakes. I chanced to hear "It's So Easy" the other day; I never did like that song.

The Mad Puffin, Friday, 3 June 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link

the video for "it's so easy" is classic for waddy wachtel's hair alone.

to let - flats (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:34 (eighteen years ago) link

i only know her from her work with neil young, and the Mr Plow episode, but classic for those.

AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I grew up hearing those Aaron Navel duets, which are purty.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Senor Plow no es macho, Es solamente un borracho...

PappaWheelie (PappaWheelie), Friday, 3 June 2005 14:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I like her lots. Well, excpet the standards stuff. But my moms played the hell Greatest Hits Vols. I & II (on 8 track, nonetheless!) when I was a kid, so it is permanently imprented on my brain.

"Long, Long Time" is still devestating to me everytime I hear it -- especially when she betls out that last "'Casue I've done everythin I know/to try and make you mine"

Randy Reiss (undeadsinatra), Friday, 3 June 2005 16:52 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...
Sooo....where should I begin? Heart Like a Wheel and Simple Dreams?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 3 November 2006 23:41 (seventeen years ago) link

When Will I Be Loved?

PappaWheelie, don't fuck this up (PappaWheelie 2), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:32 (seventeen years ago) link

that 2cd comp of her first 4(?) records that came out some months back is a good intro if you like the country-rock side of linda (which i'm guessing wouldn't be your cup o' tea so much, Alfred) i really like the first 2 records, sort of lose interest after that but gotta respect those pipes!

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:41 (seventeen years ago) link

a good intro if you like the country-rock side of linda (which i'm guessing wouldn't be your cup o' tea so much, Alfred)

Hm. Maybe. I'm a guy who digs upbeat Loretta and Dolly and New Wave Rosanne Cash, so, it's a coin flip.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

New Wave Rosanne rules!

A Radio Picture (Rrrickey), Saturday, 4 November 2006 00:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I would revive a Rosanne Cash thread if there were enough people who cared.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 4 November 2006 01:00 (seventeen years ago) link

rosanne is capable of greatness, but...

"you're no good" >>>>> everything rosanne has ever done, with the single possible exception of "seven year ache."

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 4 November 2006 01:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"You're No Good" is marvelous, but on Rosanne's side we got: "Blue Moon with Heartache," "Hold On," "I Don't Know Why You Don't Want Me," "Halfway House," "Runaway Train," "Rosie Strikes Back," "Somewhere, Somehow" -- a helluva run.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 4 November 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link

some damn good songs in there but none of 'em is "you're no good." some of 'em, i might rather here someone else singing (personal thing between me and rosanne's voice). and "i don't know why you don't want me" is a great verse/chorus dragged down by a drab bridge, or maybe a great verse dragged down by a drab chorus, or maybe a great chorus dragged down by a drab verse (dammit, what part is what in that one???).

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 4 November 2006 01:43 (seventeen years ago) link

(funny, though, on "i don't know why you don't want me," i love rosanne's voice; it's the male harmonies i can't stand.)

fact checking cuz (fcc), Saturday, 4 November 2006 01:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I don't think any of her '70s hits were as good as "Different Drum," but I like "Silver Threads and Golden Needles" quite a bit.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 4 November 2006 01:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah Justine is awesome, I totally dig the Madlove album

California Mafia Faux PunkWave= Adorable

Understanding it's about rock and roll revival and not synths and safety pins = admirable

Ultrathick prog moog in a new wave context classic

Adam S S (Zephery), Saturday, 4 November 2006 02:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Alfred we're on the same plane yet again. I pulled out Linda just last weekend in order to make my friend a small compilation of some songs I'd like to see her sing the next time she does a gig in this ritzy hotel bar. My Linda choices for the comp were "Someone To Lay Down Beside Me" and "Heart Like A Wheel".

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:23 (seventeen years ago) link

Prisoner in Disguise is also a good record

Adam S S (Zephery), Saturday, 4 November 2006 03:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Her new album with Ann Savoy, the cajun queen, is great. their version of walk away renee is fucking awesome!

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 November 2006 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Christ, she was the freakin queen of r&r for a few 70s years for all the right reasons. excellent voice / superb delivery and control / good looking / not half-bad backing bands / some great material / did drugs etc...

jim wentworth (wench), Saturday, 4 November 2006 06:19 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, but after the coke binges were over, the bloat set in :(

timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 4 November 2006 06:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Christ, she was the freakin queen of r&r

I don't think I'd call her a rock singer, even if she sang rock at times. Way too AM radio, no apparent attitude other than challenging her own vocal cords. Much more a pop artist, moving through genres and styles.

bendy (bendy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

In this debate I'd say all three of the last posts were right. And I love you all.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 November 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link

which wasn't meant as an affront to Scott - I haven't heard that album.

An evening of fun in the metropolis of your dream (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

you can listen to some stuff here:

http://www.vanguardrecords.com/listen.asp?idArtist=30


i love the harmonies. so beautiful to me. but it might not be for everyone. i've always loved her voice. it's a really pretty album.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 November 2006 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Revive!

Re-discovery for me. My dad used to listen to her back in the early 70s so I have heard all the songs. But I didn't remember how great her voice is. Classic.

YouTube has some killer material up:

Long long time

You're no good

Love has no pride

that's not my post, Monday, 5 November 2007 06:10 (sixteen years ago) link

Couldn't resist another. Damn, that voice is good.

I guess it doesn't matter anymore

that's not my post, Monday, 5 November 2007 06:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I always thought of Mad Love as a response to the first two Pat Benetar albums, although its cover art was quaintly New Wave. If nothing else, it made Elvis Costello some cash at the beginning of his career.

Apparently she and Linda Thompson were drinking buddies on the Shoot Out The Lights tour as well.

mike a, Monday, 5 November 2007 15:47 (sixteen years ago) link

I did get Simple Dreams at the beginning of the year and was surprised by much it rocked, in a stiff-jointed way.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 5 November 2007 15:50 (sixteen years ago) link

Linda Ronstadt was generous in covering rock standards and budding songwriters. But then you hear the original "Blue Bayou," the original "When Will I Be Loved" and "Tumbling Dice," the Dave Edmunds cover of "Girls Talk," and especially the original "You're No Good," and you realize you've been cheated. It's like thinking you hate "Up On The Roof" and "What A Wonderful World" because you're sick of James Taylor's mellow brand of folk-rock, until you finally hear Sam Cooke doing them right. Like it or not, this is the way we '70s kids first heard these songs.

mike a, Monday, 5 November 2007 15:53 (sixteen years ago) link

At the end of the early 90's movie version of The Secret Garden they play her "Winter Light" and it's awesome.

dad a, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:09 (sixteen years ago) link

five months pass...

i'm listening to After The Gold Rush, and liking it

Surmounter, Saturday, 12 April 2008 22:13 (sixteen years ago) link

two months pass...

"hand full of thorns and you know you've missed it/lose your love when you say the word 'mine'"

COME ON SHE IS CLASSICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 28 June 2008 07:39 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't care who wrote the song, okay?

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 28 June 2008 07:40 (fifteen years ago) link

IT'S SO EASY TO FALL IN LOVE

Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 28 June 2008 07:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah, remembering the long ago battle between John Rockwell and Elvis Costello, when I wouldn’t have wanted to hear her versions of such songs, but have since changed my tune.

Ernani and the Professor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 June 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link

AMG says it's Russ Kunkel

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 1 June 2020 03:18 (three years ago) link

Never knew what he looked like. Guess he was usually hiding behind Leland Sklar’s beard.

Ernani and the Professor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 June 2020 03:21 (three years ago) link

Now they both hide behind Lyle Lovett's rooster coif.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 1 June 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link

Lol

Ernani and the Professor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 June 2020 03:33 (three years ago) link

omg she looks so CUTE with short hair!! <3 her

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link

OTM

She seems like a good candidate for a POLL.

Ernani and the Professor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link

Russ Kunkel also the longtime drummer on much of Stevie Nicks's material.

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link

He’s experiencing some kind of ILX Renaissance of late.

Ernani and the Professor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

Pretty sure he got some love in this memorable thread

The Ubiquitous HIred Gun Session Veteran Shout-Out Thread

fo' schnitzel (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 1 June 2020 15:32 (three years ago) link

Wow, had no idea she ever put out a version of "Lies." Pretty good--wish she'd tried "A Public Execution" too.

clemenza, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 03:28 (three years ago) link

Yeah, or "You're Gonna Miss Me".

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link

If folks haven't seen that recent Linda Ronstadt doc, they can click this link to watch it between June 4 and June 10

https://www.brightfocus.org/movie/

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 04:51 (three years ago) link

Thanks!

How I Wrote Neuroplastic Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:34 (three years ago) link

Philip K Dick had some weird infatuation with Linda Ronstadt, and wrote characters based on her into a couple of his nuttier-than-usual later novels.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divine_Invasion#Writing

Both novels not only reference Linda Ronstadt,[5] but include fictional characters named Linda; in the case of VALIS, there is a character named Linda Lampton,[6] and in the case of The Divine Invasion, there is a character named Linda Fox.[7] In both novels, a character has a dream that conveys the notion that slippers need to be put on in order for said character to approach the dawn.

dominance and transmission (Matt #2), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 12:49 (three years ago) link

I tell you, y'all are sleeping on the Pirates of Penzance soundtrack (Linda Rondstadt, Kevin Kline, Angela Lansbury, Rex Smith).

She is a gem and a treasure

fo' schnitzel (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 14:50 (three years ago) link

Planning to watch that doc soon.

How I Wrote Neuroplastic Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 June 2020 01:44 (three years ago) link

Please forgive the facile comparison but I feel like I bought into the common dismissal of another pretty voice and pretty face singing songs they don’t really understand the same way I bought into it when it was said about the other Elvis, the one from Tupelo, which I long ago got over, and I guess I got over in this case too, only haven’t taken a deep dive into the discography yet.

How I Wrote Neuroplastic Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 June 2020 01:58 (three years ago) link

She date Jerry Brown while he was governor. Still a wild thing to consider.

earlnash, Sunday, 7 June 2020 03:08 (three years ago) link

Yeah, think about that every once in a while.

How I Wrote Neuroplastic Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 June 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link

That and the Eagles breaking up for the first time at an Alan Cranston fundraiser is the cool hilarious underbelly of late 70s/early 80s politics.

Willie Nelson says he smoked a joint on top of the White House after Carter was elected.

earlnash, Sunday, 7 June 2020 03:50 (three years ago) link

My dad claims he ran into Neil Young at a Democratic campaign HQ in Ohio in the 70s

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 7 June 2020 15:15 (three years ago) link

Just watched the doc, still processing, goes pretty deep. All I have now is a a nerdy question: is that Renee Fleming dancing in the audience during the tribute concert at the very end?

How I Wrote Neuroplastic Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 June 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link

Rock and Roll HoF induction ceremony and not the Kennedy Center so maybe not.

How I Wrote Neuroplastic Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 June 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

I'll have to check out the documentary. I'm not exactly a huge fan of her work, but from the interviews I've read, she always struck me as thoughtful and very modest (not to mention self-critical). It's kind of frustrating that her work isn't better, something she has said herself.

"Heart Like a Wheel" is an excellent LP, and I like a few other singles - the ones that come to mind generally pre-date "Heart Like a Wheel" - but whenever I've ventured beyond that, it's been disappointing.

birdistheword, Sunday, 7 June 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link

Documentary is really well done.

How I Wrote Neuroplastic Man (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 7 June 2020 22:39 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

If this is her show w Byron Berline and Country Gazette I heard (could have sworn it was a live broadcast from a studio), it's amazing---she mentions how much better this is than her tour (the early one w Neil Young, I think), where the audiences were more interested in tossing beach balls around. Digs deep into the olde roots and lets fire----scroll down for link to original post of whole show (variously labelled '72, '74, maybe others, on YouTube posts, as you can tell by their having the same setlists). Also see links to songs from a '75 set w Byron & CG, which poster says has better sound than the first show---haven't listened to much of it yet, but most of the links still work: https://ronstadt.proboards.com/thread/1431/ronstadts-bluegrass-country

dow, Monday, 18 October 2021 16:55 (two years ago) link

eleven months pass...

On the Midnight Special, with a very special band:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3SOosWH6_M

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 13:33 (one year ago) link

And then again, later that Rockin’ Eve, after midnight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c41embg2Bfg

Askeladd v. BMI (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 12 October 2022 13:41 (one year ago) link

three months pass...

Oh, I fuckin hope this does a Kate Bush for her. I have so many Ronstadt albums I can’t even sell for a buck.

The land of dreams and endless remorse (hardcore dilettante), Friday, 3 February 2023 03:58 (one year ago) link

Outside of Heart Like a Wheel, there's only a few singles that I like, and that's definitely one of them.

When Capitol released that two-disc anthology of her complete recordings for them, they included a live recording from the Troubadour as a bonus - it's even better than the single IMHO. (More intimate, it isn't overpowered by an orchestral arrangement.)

https://open.spotify.com/track/6BNYxL2ss2yXfaq549uLD1?si=0cf4cf3a0f3844a7

birdistheword, Friday, 3 February 2023 04:13 (one year ago) link

three weeks pass...

She's only on four tracks of 2022's Putamayo Presents----Songs from The Sonoran Borderland---Feels Like Home: Linda Ronstadt's Musical Odyssey. which goes with her book of almost the same name, but they're the best on first listening, along with one I just linked on the main Los Lobos thread): "El Sueño," with blurry, unsettling, somewhat VU-ish acoustic guitar, has her waking up alert and foreboding---Springsteen's "Across The Border" (tune not as faux-Mexicali-solemn as I feared, though maybe she's keeping a lid on it) incl. Emmylou's maybe double-tracked, still thin intrusions on chorus, but LR always restores the vibe of verses---also good, if maybe a little too-drawn-out, on the thoughtful "I Never Will Marry" (Dolly v. effective on choruses)--then this one gets me right off, with the only piano (and it's a good piano) on the whole collection, and new instruments, male backup vocals keep appearing, vaya con Linda:

After a sweeping tour of the music of Mexico and the borderlands which inspired her, “Piel Canela” sees Linda and her band interpreting another Latin musical style that was ever-present in her childhood home: Cuban mambo.

https://putumayo.bandcamp.com/track/piel-canela-2

https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a1693140166_10.jpg

dow, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 21:37 (one year ago) link

Some of the other artists' singing and songs seem blah and predictable so far, though picking is always good, and would like to hear more from her folkie relatives P.D. Ronstadt & The Co---oh yeah, also on "On The Border," notes say it's Neil Young playing that good harmonica, uncredited steel, bass, drums all effective too, one of the most robust tracks overall.

dow, Tuesday, 28 February 2023 21:44 (one year ago) link

Classic voice, good material, usually rendered in a mediocre fashion.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 28 February 2023 21:55 (one year ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.