Search and Destroy : New Order

destroy: blue monday

Brotherhood side one

Ceremony (the 7" is much better than the version on Substance)

Temptation (the original 12" is much better than the version on Substance)

Sister Ray (live in Rio, from 'Like A Girl I Want You to Keep Coming' one of John Giorno's crappy beatnik compilations)

Destroy:

Republic

the shit cd quality of Brotherhood, Low-Life and Technique

Destroy: (the best of) New Order [English version]

BUT I sort of half-dislike it too, because all the people I know who think "Age of Consent" is their best song are people who despise all of the dancier stuff.

Discuss.

It's probably because Joy Division is such good summertime music.

* Destroy: "State of the Nation" in any and all its mutations/versions... it's so tacky/sucky

* Search "Don't do it" and "Bleachboy"

* Ssearch "Rest of NewOrder" * Destroy "Best of NewOrder"

I am so sure that there are people who will say "That dude Ci got it all wrong!"

By the way people... English is my third language... how do you Anglonauts say it anyways? Is it "Search and Destroy" or "Seek and Destroy." I opt or the "Seek and Destroy."

Cheers

Ci

Also search: 1981/1982 (brilliant), "Doubts Even Here," "Dreams Never End," "The Village," "Regret," the melody (or the Frente cover) of "Bizarre Love Triangle"

Destroy: the vocoder track on PCL, the "three miles to go" song, "Blue Monday," the rest of Republic. Joy Division did "Ceremony" better. I could live without "In a Lonely Place."

so so true... sorry, so late. just wanted a check in the tally column.

... at least that's what I think it's called...

knew it had 'Point' in the title. Kind of epic filmic New Order with a groovy baseline.

Thank you.

Don't give me that, you crazy punk. You cannot live without the versions of "Temptation," "Ceremony," "Blue Monday," "Thieves Like Us," "The Perfect Kiss," "Bizarre Love Triangle" and "True Faith" on the first disc, among other things -- the second disc gilds the lily, making it even more so all around. :-)

Keith, you are certifiable. The only album New Order has released which is better than _Get Ready_ is _Movement_.

http://www.neworderonline.com/mmedia.asp

Search: Get Ready, and about everything else especially Technique just for Dream Attack, their very best song.

Destroy: As It Is When It Was on Brotherhood, a piece of shit with the most inconstant rhythm I have ever heard. And I don't like Technique's Run, it's simply irritating. The remixes of the Low Life songs on Substance pale to the originals.

I've only heard technique and i like it. an excellent record.

DESTROY: the original versions of "Temptation" and "Confusion", the version of "Confusion" that's on the Blade soundtrack, that song with Billy Corgan on Get Ready, The Rest of New Order, and disc three of Retro.

destroy: everything after "regret", including from track 2 of republic.

(in less charitable moods i would say destroy everything after "ceremony", but that's to judge them by its unfairly high standards)

Destroy: "World in Motion," "Shell-Shock."

I don't know as I'd destroy anything, but the songs that just sit on the I & IV chords are the only ones I care much about.

The setlist to the first show of theirs I ever saw, in 1985, is a pretty good "Search" list, at least up through Low-Life. Makes a great playlist.

Sunrise
This Time of Night
Hurt
Thieves Like Us
5 8 6
Everything's Gone Green
The Village
Subculture
Denial
Confusion
The Perfect Kiss

Encore:
Ceremony
Blue Monday

Encore 2:
Temptation

As for "Destroy," Alfred's list is good with the obvious exception of "The Village."

SUNKIST IS THE ONE
― adam (adam), Sunday, October 2, 2005 8:49 PM (sixteen years ago)

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I didn't see a post, but I guess Low-Life is getting the box set treatment. Old news that I completely missed, it was delayed due to COVID, but the newish news is that it's out in January with a pre-Christmas announcement.

Nice!

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

Search: World In Motion Caribinieri Mix

Destroy: World In Motion single

I think it was the Caribinieri mix, anyway. You lose the catchier piano riff but you're also spared the footballer rapping, and the chorus declared that "we've got the world in motion", and not "love" which is stupid.

Search: Republic! I know its a bit past their most iconic era, but I think its their most solid album. The only stinker is "Chemical" (I think, going off memory---the one that starts with "I wake up every night on the stair").

Destroy: Shellshock, State of the Nation, Subculture. Each of these is tedious its own, but to release three songs so close together that suck in the same way, until they all blur together, was unfortunate.

Search: the Substance versions of Ceremony, Temptation, and Confusion.

Destroy: the original versions of these songs.

Search: Kiss of Death, Thieves Like Us instrumental

Destroy: Perfect Kiss, Thieves Like Us vocal

I’ll be going through your bins.

I disagree with most of that, but agree that the instrumental Thieves Like Us is 5-6 min of pure bliss

You’re describing the No Alla Violenza mix, not the Carabinieri mix (which still has the footballers in it)

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

You missed out. (And there were various thread revivals!)

*looks at search/destroy post*

Stephen? Stephen Hague? Glad to have you with us.

I had no idea they were doing a tour with the Pet Shop Boys.

lol and this was something like a twice delayed tour, too, so it's been known they were touring together since early 2020!

And it's a wrap now.

Low-Life box set confirmed:

https://consequence.net/2022/11/new-order-low-life-box-set-the-perfect-kiss-stream/

"new interviews with every band member" hmmm

I'm shellshocked.

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I like Low-Life and always have; it was the first full-length I bought by them after hearing Substance, but I have the 2CD deluxe edition from...2005? 2007? And anyway, no one needs that much live New Order.

there's always room for more live New Order!

The shows they've said are included are some of New Order's best recorded performances. Leuven and Toronto 85 have been on my wish list for a long time. I've seen Leuven on YouTube a handful of times but the full Toronto show has never been released.

I yearn for a New Order \ Mike and the Mechanics reunion

all we need is a miracle

I first saw them on the Low-Life tour and they were at their peak.

Same. Still one of the two or three best shows I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywqvSYCIIUM

how on god's earth do you release a "definitive" version of low-life without the extended version of "the perfect kiss"?

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

what do I get out of this

pretty brutal isn't it. can't justify this for the DVDs. hope those show up on s0uls3333k

The full-length extended version is on the 2008 2CD deluxe edition of Low-Life (the one on Substance is missing ~40 seconds). Why they can't include a second disc of bonus tracks (especially for $150) I don't know. I'm getting it for the live stuff though. And I guess because I have the first two and they will all look nice on my shelf.

iT's AlReAdY oN sUbStAnCe

Barely though. The final few minutes of The Perfect Kiss 12" were what all of music up until 1985 was leading to (sez me) and CD/digital versions of Substance butcher it.

^ as f. hazel says (just wanted to reiterate it because it annoys me)

The "bundle" included The Perfect Kiss 12".

Substance 1987 getting a 4CD deluxe reissue in November.

The 2023 reissue sees the audio remastered and expanded to four CDs. This 4CD version includes the original 2CD set and adds two further discs. CD3 expands the collection with alternate versions and extra B-sides, while CD4 features an unreleased concert, Live from Irvine Meadows, California, 12th September 1987, where the band uniquely played the entire album in sequence!

There will also be 2LP and double cassette editions of this reissue with the former available as black or blue/red coloured vinyl. The tape is only available from the New Order shop. There will also be three 12-inch singles released at the same time: ‘True Faith’, ‘True Faith Remix’ and ‘Blue Monday 88’.

Substance 1987 is reissued on 10 November 2023 via Warner Music

Track listing:

CD 1 (remastered)
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-Culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

CD 2 (remastered)
In A Lonely Place
Procession
Cries And Whispers
Hurt
The Beach
Confused Instrumental
Lonesome Tonight
Murder
Thieves Like Us Instrumental
Kiss Of Death
Shame Of The Nation
1963

CD 3
Ceremony (Original)
Mesh
Temptation (12”)
Confusion (Original 12”)
Perfect Pit
Dub Vulture
Shellcock
Bizarre Dub Triangle
True Dub
Confusion (Dub 87)
True Faith (Remix)

CD 4
LIVE FROM IRVINE MEADOWS AMPHITHEATRE, CALIFORNIA 1987
Ceremony
Everything’s Gone Green
Temptation 87
Blue Monday
Confusion 87
Thieves Like Us
The Perfect Kiss
Sub-culture
Shellshock
State Of The Nation
Bizarre Love Triangle
True Faith

Some chat over here:

Represent: Your Favorite Track Off Of New Order - Substance 1987