Wesley Willis R.I.P.

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Whatever, dude...Wesley was right up there with such influential mofos as Elvis, Roy Orbison, David Lee Roth, and John Lennon.

Spinktor the Unmerciful (mawill5), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

his music was awful, i always felt unclean when people would put it on at high school parties. his art was actually pretty good as you can see above (although he signed his name in foot-high letters half the time, somewhat mitigating their prettiness). he seemed like a genial guy who maybe wasn't getting the right kind of attention. he head-butted me once and was very gentle about it.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:32 (twenty years ago) link

sometimes you rocked and sometimes you rolled...

bummer man. bummer. we be sure to suck a llama's dick tonight...
m.

msp, Friday, 22 August 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link

btw i worry about the two buses in that picture. are they going to collide?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

maybe there's a stoplight out of view, like a great cosmic one.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:37 (twenty years ago) link

Rock Over London Rock On Chicago RIP Wesley

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:55 (twenty years ago) link

btw i worry about the two buses in that picture. are they going to collide?
they're clearing not headed toward each other, and the one on the left isn't showing its brake lights, so I don't think you have to worry.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Friday, 22 August 2003 17:56 (twenty years ago) link

i heard he was beat up

chaki (chaki), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

playing/talking with this dude was probably the highlight of my year so far.what a great guy.

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:36 (twenty years ago) link

In the UK, to "Joe Strummer" someone means to 'out' them as a secretly middle class person

Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:52 (twenty years ago) link

first off, RIP and all that. but ive always thought he was just like daniel johnston...except without any talent. and i though it was disgusting seeing people paid so much attention to him and pretended he had talent when they were really just laughing at him.

tom cleveland (tom cleveland), Friday, 22 August 2003 18:55 (twenty years ago) link

strangely, i listened to heavy vegetable's "song for wesley" on my way out the door today.

RIP

gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 22 August 2003 19:01 (twenty years ago) link

oh my god. RIP.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:57 (twenty years ago) link

RIP

(for the record, I don't think a RIP thread is a very good place to have a critical discussion, pro or anti)

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 19:59 (twenty years ago) link

Fuck the haters, Wesley was a rockstar in Jesus' name.

Godspeed Wes.

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

so hstencil the posts should simply consist of "RIP"?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:13 (twenty years ago) link

This news has really made me miserable. I just saw a live clip of "She Loves Me Truly" on mtv.com and I almost cried.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:15 (twenty years ago) link

amateurist the posts could maybe be hold whatever respectful messages anybody wanted to write, but not be filled with...

oh fuck it, you're an adult, why can't you figure it out as to why that's a bad idea?

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:17 (twenty years ago) link

am I'm pretty sure there's are other Wesley Willis threads to do the CoD disscussion. I don't think it's to unfair to suggest that maybe 'he suckt anyway' isn't maybe the best response to news of someone's death.

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

unless ur talking about gg allin

chaki (chaki), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:29 (twenty years ago) link

I misspelt "too"

cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

i agree that if there are people here that knew him personally it's wise to save assessments of his music for another time.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

grieving in public for someone you knew is a bad idea.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:32 (twenty years ago) link

that puts to kibosh on encomiums in the new york times.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

the kibosh

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

I don't think this thread is the proper place for discussing whether grieving is a "bad idea" or not, either.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

hstencil i know this may come as a shock but did it ever occur to you that no one really gives a rats ass what you think is a good idea? (p.s. you're doing a pretty good job of derailing it yourself, as usual.)

"thanks, mom."

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

well as long as the thread's ruined, here goes: go fuck yourself, jess. Unless you'd rather lament other people telling you what to do while you tell other people what to do, that is.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

btw i worry about the two buses in that picture. are they going to collide?

they're clearing not headed toward each other, and the one on the left isn't showing its brake lights, so I don't think you have to worry.

Wesley's eye for the Pynchonesque messages encoded in CTA timetables is what got me over the lump he left on my forehead. Whenever I'm gripped by the chill that accompanies seeing a bus pulled up on every side of a 4-way intersection, I think immediately of the man.

RIP.

brian nemtusak (sanlazaro), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:40 (twenty years ago) link

(stence, i don't know what your problem is these days ("these days" ha ha) - caught an std on tour, pissed off about that piddling tour diary bullshit - but GET OFF MY DICK, chumpy. it's just getting tedious now. ilm seriously needs many things, but not a den mother.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:42 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/oliphant/thoa048.jpg

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

(I didn't have the guts to say it, but there ya go.)

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

(whatever jess. If you or amateurist or anybody else can't hold off expressing vitriol in a thread that's about somebody dying, then clearly anything I write chiding y'all for it is going to be ineffective. That said, grow the fuck up and show some goddamn respect for once in your measly life while you still have life. The guy's dead - what any of us think about his music is irrelevant.)

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

thanks mom.

how many guys died today who didn't make music? why aren't we discussing them? on i love music?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

i mean, he didn't make wrought iron bedframes, but if he did, i think the value of his work would probably be important for him to get a mention or not on i love bedframes when he died.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

that's bullshit and you know it.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:52 (twenty years ago) link

No way... he was on tour as little as like a year ago. Less.

David Allen, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

a possible counterargument: we wouldn't have heard of him w/o his making music, and indeed much of his notoriety (if not ALL of it) comes from his music being so divisive. (if you happen to have lived in chicago and haunted record stores or worked in the mental health industry in a certain period, i suppose you could have known willis in another way.) i think my comment was rather tame, and i found nice things to say about him after all. i wasn't sure where or if i fouled up in that regard.

x-posts galore

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

also what harm are we doing by speaking sincerely about our impressions of his music on this little obscure thread of a messgae board? certainly if a public figure like ronald reagan died tomorrow it wouldn't be seen as disrespectful to suggest that his politics were for the birds...?

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:55 (twenty years ago) link

stence how do you feel about idi amin?

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

haha x-post

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:56 (twenty years ago) link

I dunno, jess, did Wesley Willis ever KILL ANYONE with his music?

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

actually on 20 seconds' reflection i guess the political analogies might confuse the situation. certainly wesley never did anyone any real harm, like amin or reagan. so i retract that.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

whoah. crosspost.

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

am otm in his (second to) last point, obviously. none of us are going out and scrawling WESLEY WILLIS SUCKS OVER LONDON outside the funeral.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:58 (twenty years ago) link

(also, when i die, people are free to react however they want, including scrawling JESS SUXX HE R ALL DEAD in 50 foot letters outside my funeral. i fully expect it in fact.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 20:59 (twenty years ago) link


Wesley Willis R.I.P.

http://www.alternativetentacles.com/news.php?sd=U44fjr6Wacz8tU5CycQ#165

08/22/03: Rock Star Wesley Willis Dead at 40

Dear Friends and fellow Wesleynauts,
We are deeply saddened to report that one of our artists, Wesley Willis passed away yesterday, Thursday, August 21st. Wesley will be greatly missed by all that had the privilege to know him, as well as the fans who have been fortunate enough to experience his genius.

Wesley was diagnosed with Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia (CML) at the end of 2002, and had to undergo emergency surgery on June 2nd to identify the source of, and to suppress internal bleeding. It is not clear if this bleeding was related to his leukemia or not, and the exact cause of death is still unknown. Wesley had been recovering at a Hospice in Illinois, and since the surgery his health had deteriorated rapidly.

His songs were simultaneously disturbing, hilarious, blunt, and intoxicating. Wesley's sheer excitement and unaffected honesty about every cultural phenomenon, defined his music as truly individual, and truly punk rock.

Wesley released well over 50 albums - 3 of which are on Alternative Tentacles, and a 4th, entitled, Wesley Willis Greatest Hits Vol. 3 (CD) had already been scheduled for release in October of this year.

For more information on Chronic Myelogenous Leukemia, please visit http://leukemia-lymphoma.org .

Currently there are no plans for any funeral service but we will inform you if there will be.

-- Sam J. (xp75hid0...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:02 AM. (samjeff) (later) (link)

Answers

RIP

-- s1utsky (parrisactava...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:05 AM. (slutsky) (later) (link)

RIP

-- dleone (d_leon...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:06 AM. (dleone) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Ned Raggett (ne...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:07 AM. (Ned) (later) (link)

RIP

-- nickalicious (nza2342...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:09 AM. (nickalicious) (later) (link)

RIP

-- nickalicious (nza2342...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (nickalicious) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Dale the Titled (cpre...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (cprek) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Horace Mann (handsomishbo...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:12 AM. (Horace Mann) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:13 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)


RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:15 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Horace Mann (handsomishbo...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:17 AM. (Horace Mann) (later) (link)

RIP

-- Spinktor the Unmerciful (kentuckysharkwhiske...) (webmail), August 22nd, 2003 8:23 AM. (mawill5) (later) (link)

amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

either wesley willis made art or he didn't. if he did, then in his death assessment of that body of work is not only inevitable but necessary. (okay, maybe not in his case. but people didn't lock all extant information on picasso in a vault when the old guy finally kicked, never to be unearthed again.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link

assessment is fine, I just don't think its a good idea on a thread where people (myself included) are getting their first news about his death.

hstencil, Friday, 22 August 2003 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

and yes, i guarantee that obits for celebrities and artists WITHIN DAYS OF THEIR DEATHS contain even minor, piddling examination of their work and its context.

(x-post.)

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Friday, 22 August 2003 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

Wow, the entire thread is this bizarre clusterfuck, though.

Heh, x-post.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 4 October 2004 23:54 (nineteen years ago) link

This thread is an amazing display of something.

why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 00:01 (nineteen years ago) link

It is a sad day when Mike Taylor of all people is the voice of reason on an ilm thread...

Disco Nihilist (mjt), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 03:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Just went back and READ the thread.
I'm a doofus for reviving this.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 04:58 (nineteen years ago) link

OK, Wesley Wills.

I downloaded a couple of tracks, but I wasn't that taken by them. I guess his back story lead me to believe the tracks would be more 'out there' than they were. In this, he reminds me of Roky Erikson, (his later stuff anyway) in that his stuff was always competent and actually lacking a little of the crazyness that a lot of artists try desperately hard to add into their stuff.

But that's the way, isn't it? Some make music to stay sane, and some make music to allow themselves to go a bit crazy.

My feeling is that Wesley Wills got what he wanted out of his music. And it's still a fine world that will allow and help people like him to do that. I have no right to judge him on a couple of tracks, even if his 'story' is that all the songs are 'the same', I actually doubt it very much. Like the Ramones are all the same? Like the Godfathers? (i.e. the songs' choruses being the title repeated four times, except for "Birth School Work Death" which is only twice)

RIP Wesley. We have to see his like again. That's what the world is made of.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
Sad. My friend Dan made a documentary about WW & I think they became buds, I imagine he'll be feeling pretty low today...

I saw this last night and it was amazingly funny, especially the visit to the voo where Wesley wants to buy a book about Reindeer and tells the shop assistant that's it for research for songs about beastiality.

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 8 January 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I want to see that!

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Saturday, 8 January 2005 18:08 (nineteen years ago) link

oh cool james, where'd you see that?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 8 January 2005 18:26 (nineteen years ago) link

six months pass...
this thread is an ilm low-point

fuck you strongo, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:20 (eighteen years ago) link

good idea to revive it then

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:25 (eighteen years ago) link

you all should be reminded how repugnant you are

moralist, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:34 (eighteen years ago) link

who are you?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:44 (eighteen years ago) link

anonymous troll #565 (it's bato)

wesley willis fan #4863, Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:50 (eighteen years ago) link

thanks for stopping by!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link

this is all my fault

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:21 (eighteen years ago) link

Holy crap, I got...emotional, that day.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:05 (eighteen years ago) link

Julio is maybe my favourite person ever to post to ILX.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:21 (eighteen years ago) link

http://s11.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0HKT1WPALMC8G3VGRW3FTHL4E0

= my living room at 4am the other night.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 17:35 (eighteen years ago) link

julio used to insult me from time to time

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:24 (eighteen years ago) link

He is really nice in real life, it's just that the internet does this to us all.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:25 (eighteen years ago) link

i was a magnet for insults for a brief moment, then it seemed to die away for reasons i still don't understand.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:27 (eighteen years ago) link

He is really nice in real life, it's just that the internet does this to us all.

That's what someone said to me on Sunday who was friends with Blount in GA!

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:28 (eighteen years ago) link

People underestimated you.

xp

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

strangely, i listened to heavy vegetable's "song for wesley" on my way out the door today.
RIP

-- gygax! (gygax0...), August 22nd, 2003 1:01 PM. (gygax!)

This is such a good song, even some Apples in Stereo and Moby fans might agree.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 21:30 (eighteen years ago) link

have you purposely named two of my least -favorite acts of the last 10 years?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:01 (eighteen years ago) link

racist.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 22:11 (eighteen years ago) link

cave dwellers!

Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 23:50 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
god there's some really fucking stupid people here

discus, Saturday, 21 January 2006 16:19 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

thinking 'baout wesley willis today, miss <3

buzza, Saturday, 20 November 2010 04:06 (thirteen years ago) link

Another post on this thread = more clusterf posts disappear into the "show all messages" bin.

Mark G, Saturday, 20 November 2010 09:34 (thirteen years ago) link

I WHUP BAMANS ASS

jumpskins, Saturday, 20 November 2010 09:43 (thirteen years ago) link

nine months pass...

Amazing thread.

James Ferraro Boyz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

Amazing thread.

James Ferraro Boyz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link

KISS A WARTHOG'S FUNKY ASSHOLE

Jamie_ATP, Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtgYvUpto4M

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Wednesday, 14 September 2011 16:59 (twelve years ago) link


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