Duke Ellington

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Eh, I dunno. I always though Money Jungle was a lot more focused and tuneful than most of the stuff coming out around then. Solitude is a nice litte tune.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

i will admit here that my tolerance for jazz has been markedly decreasing over the last couple years, so i'm willing to accept that it might me a "it's not you, it's me" thing. (i'm not a patient fellow, anyway.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

It sounds like Caravan! You can't really forget that tune. But they don't do anything wild with it.

To me Money Jungle is having nice coffee and pastry in the morning music. It's got atmosphere and it sounds good, but they're not splitting the atom or anything. I think Mingus is the best thing on it, he's rolling along.

Blood Clot really is amazing. It billows and hangs in the air. That's my favorite Ellington album I think.

Ben Williams, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

no i can't forget the tune, but from elsewhere. i just can't remember the *ahem* arrangement.

blood clot? tell me more...

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(It's on And His Mother Called Him Bill)

Ben Williams, Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:30 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

o yeah. i thought you meant there was an album called that.

gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 4 June 2003 23:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Newport 1956 Diminuendo and Crescendo in Blue. It's such a cliche, but that track really is fantastic. The rest of the concert's good too. I also like the Ellington/Hawkins album. Basically, you can't go wrong with Ellington - he always employed top-flight musicians even when he couldn't really afford them. The "Anatomy of a Murder" album is a bit scrappy, but that's film soundtracks for you.

Stuart Nicholson's Reminiscing in Tempo is a good book - a mainly oral history of Ellington.

Andrew Norman, Thursday, 5 June 2003 13:31 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I think Money Jungle sounds pretty dangerous. Not in the sense that they're taking it WAY OUT or anything, but the personalities involved. Apparently both were pretty intimidated playing with Ellington (especially Mingus, didn't he walk out for a bit in the middle of the session with self-esteem issues?), it sounds like a mix of nervous energy and wanting to really make their own statements (some would call it overplaying, I love it). Mingus is playing so ahead sometimes it sounds like everything might fall over. It sounds like Ellington is having a good time trying to fit in though.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:07 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I don't think anyone's mentioned that 24-CD (!!) RCA Victor boxed set - no, I don't have it, but I have the 3-CD overview (link below), which is excellent (and it pretty much spans his entire career, 1927-1973). A version of "Do Nothing Till You Hear from Me" would've been a welcome inclusion (as that's one of my favorites), but Ella's take hits the spot for me. Ya know, "Caravan" has been covered by freakin' everyone, but my favorite version is Ellington's own (included on the 3-CD set) - it's utterly eerie and amazing.


Ernest P. (ernestp), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:09 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I treasure Money Jungle if only for its tender version of "Warm Valley," which a better writer than me once described as the Duke's "vulvic ode."

And as much as I love the version of "Blood Count" on And His Mother . . ., when I hear the tune in my head I hear Andy Bey's version (with lyrics) on his amazing Shades of Bey album.

After rereading the initial question, I must ad another vote for the Blanton-Webster set. If you don't fall in love with at least some of this music, I question what it is you like music for.

While I love the later album/suite oriented era, I think his earlier swing-era and pre-swing material sometimes gets short shrift because people assume they know it because they know "Take the A Train" and "Satin Doll." Plus there are about a kabillion different Ellington collections from his earlier days, so it's hard to know how to tackle it.

RCA owns a lot of great early Ellington; if you see any single discs on their Bluebird imprint from Ellington's early career in a used bin, grab 'em (not least cause they're out of print). As much as I like prime and late Ellington, my life would be poorer without "The Mooche," "The Dicty Glide," the earliest "Mood Indigo," and countless more.

Also, there are two great two-disc sets titled something like The Duke's Men, which feature mid-period small-group recordings. Lotta great stuff on there.

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:14 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Early Ellington: search what you can get in the 1927-1929 years. This is my favorite time period for early Ellington, the "Jungle Band". There's a big box set: 1924-1930, or individual volumes 1927-1928, 1928-1929, and many various re-packagings. If nothing else, search for something that contains "East St.Louis Toodle-Oo"

Later Ellington: search the "Queen's Suite", which contains the lovely piece, "Single Petal of a Rose". It's on a CD called "The Ellington Suites" on OJC

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 5 June 2003 15:16 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Best of Early Ellington, a single disc on Decca, is a terrific summary of the pre-Blanton years

vote three for The Blanton-Webster Years; I've been advised by people who know to avoid the new repackage of the same material in a cardboard case: "they fucked up the remaster" was his objection.

I really love The Far East Suite, it's the only thing I know from way later, obv I need to explore more

and I was beaten to recommending the Proper box, so I'll second that

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:43 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Jess, try Far East--seems like more your thing. Toop could easily have included parts of it on Ocean of Sound.

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 16:44 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I would like to just say this is a wondeful thread :-)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:22 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

Wow, that Proper box looks great. I'll third the recommendation as I've got a lot of the same material in different form. I would happily re-buy it (and at this price) to have it on CD.

arch Ibog (arch Ibog), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:26 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

'nother vote for "Far East Suite"

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:28 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

I have more book suggestions having scanned the shelves last night. David Hadju's bio of Billy Strayhorn, Lush Life, is a great book in its own right, but it's very illuminating on Ellington. For even more illumination, Don George's Sweet Man is an amusing read if you can find a copy. George wrote the lyrics for some of Duke's tunes, most notably "I'm Beginning to See the Light." (Interesting trivia: an instrumental version of the tune is playing on the radio in the kitchen during the "Oracle" scene in the first Matrix movie.) Anyway, it's a personal memoir of Ellington, which in this case means detailed reminiscences about Duke's insatiable appetite for women, steaks, and the color powder blue, among other things.

Lee G (Lee G), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:32 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

also find, if you can, Ralph Gleason's long tribute/obit from Rolling Stone. the classic quote, from memory, on junkie musicians: "I never did understand that. I'm a cunt man myself."

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 5 June 2003 17:45 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

two months pass...
I'm a little surprised by the high regard in which the Far East Suite is commonly held. I could only get myself to listen to it a couple times. Most of the time when I don't like a remotely canonical jazz recording, I can still sort of understand why it would be considered good. Kind of Blue and Point of Departure, for instance, both turn me off in large part because of my emotional reaction to them, and something about the tone colors used (more in the second case). But the Far East Suite sounded really kind of third rate to me. I'm sorry now that I didn't hang on to my library copy long enough to listen a few times, so I could say more now. Part of it may simply be that because of my heavy Arabic music listening, I am critical of the particular way Arabic elements are used here. (I know it says far east, but according to what I've read, it actually has more to do with Arabic music than with Indian. That's also what I hear.) Also the mixture of certain old school big band sounds, sounds that don't necessarily have to be use just because one is working with a big band, undermines the project for me.

Al Andalous (Al Andalous), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 13:20 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

The Blanton-Webster Years; I've been advised by people who know to avoid the new repackage of the same material in a cardboard case: "they fucked up the remaster" was his objection

I don't know - I have this and the remaster sounds fine to me, as good as you could expect for this period. I'm pretty sure that this is the same remaster that's in the Centennial edition.

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:49 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

(The packaging on the other hand leaves something to be desired. The little cardboard sleeves don't really hold the CDs in place. I wish they'd just used standard jewel cases.)

o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 August 2003 14:55 (fourteen years ago) Permalink

one year passes...
I borrowed Money Jungle from the library, and I like it okay. I like "Caravan" a lot, or at least the begin. And I like "Money Jungle." It's still probably not something I would buy, but I don't think it's an album that needs any apologies.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 14 September 2004 21:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Somehow, all of my dad's old 45s were stolen except the ones I borrowed, and fortunately, one of those was "The Mooch." It's still my favorite Duke Ellington song, a world within a song, really...

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 03:55 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Harlem Air Shaft or Ko Ko would be my faves, both on the Blanton-Webster Band comp

mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 04:35 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

"jump for joy" is probably the most astonishingly perfect record i know. everything is in place; it's constantly infectious and exciting; it sounds so fresh; and the lyrics are a total hoot. superlatives actually demean this record, so i'll stop.

"chocolate shake" is v. close.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:20 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

the way "jump for joy" ends is... oh my lord.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:21 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

anyway, for those of you scared of jazz, these are pop records.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:22 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

Has anyone heard Sir Duke, performances of his pieces by Bill Ware (vibes) and Marc Ribot (gtr)? I think it's really beautiful but I haven't heard that much 'real' DE.

sundar subramanian (sundar), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:26 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

I absolutely love Money Jungle, I don't get the "jamming" comment. To me it sounded like they were at each other's throats. And yeah "Solitude" is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever herad.

As for Far East Suite...it's absolutely beautiful. Can't think of anything else to say.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 06:56 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

anyway, for those of you scared of jazz, these are pop records.

Indeed. They are catchy and fill o hooks. With early to mid Ellington, due to recording technology, most songs were only around 3 minutes long. The classic Ellington / Strayhorn number Take The A Train packs a whole musical narrative in less than 3 minutes and has a great fadeout ending.

mentalist (mentalist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 11:58 (thirteen years ago) Permalink

three years pass...

I am listening to Jungle Nights in Harlem and you should too.

Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:24 (nine years ago) Permalink

I really love Far East Suite
and the shite with Coleman Hawkins.

If you don't like it, you're racist.

our work is never over, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:28 (nine years ago) Permalink

underrated record is 'side by side' w/ johnny hodges
sweets edison KILLS IT on trumpet

deej, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:29 (nine years ago) Permalink

Must look into that then!
I love those underrated ones.

our work is never over, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:33 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jubilee Stomp is an acceptable substitute if Jungle Nights in Harlem is not available.

Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:40 (nine years ago) Permalink

Damnit hes prolific.
I havn't heard any of this.

our work is never over, Monday, 21 January 2008 03:47 (nine years ago) Permalink

Jungle Nights and Jubilee Stomp are early stuff. On Bluebird, nice and cheap and very hard swinging and excellent.

Oilyrags, Monday, 21 January 2008 04:26 (nine years ago) Permalink

six months pass...

I am really enjoying The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse, one of Ellington's last albums. I know it's supposed to be African-influenced -- and it is -- but it sounds even more rock-influenced, to me. Dark, thumping and rhythmic. Very unlike what I expect of Ellington (OTOH, I'm not all that familiar with his bread-and-butter big band work). Anyway, great disc. (n.1).

(n.1) I did cringe at the corny spoken-word opening of the album, tho. Minor quibble, I guess.

Daniel, Esq., Tuesday, 5 August 2008 10:55 (nine years ago) Permalink

haha, i LOVE that spoken word intro.
as has been noted in this thread, there's a ton of later period (60s-70s) Ellington that is amazingly good. One I didn't see mentioned is the piano/bass album with Ray Brown called This One's For Blanton. Sort of an album length sequel to the duets Duke did with Blanton way back when. The New Orleans Suite (Hodges' last album, I think) has some great moments as well.

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 13:58 (nine years ago) Permalink

I have this and the remaster sounds fine to me, as good as you could expect for this period

I've kind of changed my mind on this. I think they did kind of screw it up - though it's still listenable if you turn the treble down a couple of notches on your stereo.

o. nate, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 16:07 (nine years ago) Permalink

yeah, i think maybe the first disc of the B|W Band comp is kind of dodgy, esp. on headphones. I've got an old double LP with a lot of the same stuff and it sounds better to me, even on my crappy turntable. That said, those recordings would be great recorded on a cell phone. goddam, some of it is unbelievably good.

tylerw, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 17:12 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

I am really enjoying The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse


"Didjeridoo" is quickly becoming a tune I feel really gypped that I never got to play with my jazz combo in college

TOMBOT, Friday, 24 October 2008 07:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

emusic subscribers who don't have this record, you have wasted a month.

TOMBOT, Friday, 24 October 2008 07:15 (nine years ago) Permalink

Tom, you should post here too:
Ellington as pianist

Matos DJs on Wednesdays here and plays something from The Far East Suite almost every week.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Friday, 24 October 2008 08:35 (nine years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I've been listening to The Far East Suite pretty much nonstop, with a couple of plays of The Seattle Concert thrown in. Sound is rough, as it's a 1952 show (and Ellington's first LP as such), but really sweet. Clark Terry is really nice on "Perdido."

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 00:02 (nine years ago) Permalink

I should say the album is really sweet, not the rough sound.

If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Wednesday, 10 December 2008 00:03 (nine years ago) Permalink

two months pass...

Duke Ellington becomes first African-American on U.S. coin

Jazzbo, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 14:59 (eight years ago) Permalink

this is great -


Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 15:40 (eight years ago) Permalink

Eee, that does look good. Also expensive.

tylerw, Tuesday, 24 February 2009 16:46 (eight years ago) Permalink

Jazz man is first African-American to solo on U.S. circulating coin

double bird strike (gabbneb), Tuesday, 24 February 2009 16:49 (eight years ago) Permalink

Nice. Sting & Paul Simon did a benefit for the school earlier this year

curmudgeon, Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:47 (three years ago) Permalink

Would've loved to have seen that. I saw that trio about a month ago, and they were astounding. Shipp incorporated "What Is This Thing Called Love?" (which I took as a nod to his fellow Delawarean Clifford Brown), and Dickey put on one of the most sensitive and inspiring percussion performances I've seen in years.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 30 April 2014 14:55 (three years ago) Permalink

Did you gasp yesterday when the guy announced the next album as Monkey Jungle!?! After the break he repeated the correct title several times.

Bee Traven Thousand (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 2 May 2014 02:04 (three years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

Very surprised not only that he was one of the last living Ellingtonians, but that he was the last living member of the Blanton-Webster band.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 14:53 (three years ago) Permalink

man, that guy had an interesting life... wonder if the documentary about him is any good?
this clip is something:
though i'll admit to never having been nuts about that song

tylerw, Tuesday, 27 May 2014 15:12 (three years ago) Permalink

Thanks for posting that! Interesting arrangement, too -- different from what was released at the time.

It took me a while, but I grew to dig his voice. The first Ellington piece I (knowingly) heard was "You, You Darlin'" off the Blanton-Webster band set. I thought his singing was square and corny, but eventually heard how it worked with the rest of the orchestra. I can't imagine "Flamingo" any other way -- even Mingus' version (which is great) feels like something's missing without Jeffries.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 27 May 2014 15:19 (three years ago) Permalink

nine months pass...

The poster Ben Williams of 11 years ago up-thread is eternally otm, some of the greatest music ever created on there.

xelab, Sunday, 1 March 2015 22:30 (two years ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Lately I cannot stop playing Ellington Uptown, The Far East Suite + Such Sweet Thunder. What a player/artist/arranger, he even makes Mingus sound like a mere gifted acolyte.

xelab, Friday, 20 March 2015 23:23 (two years ago) Permalink

three weeks pass...

whoa never knew that ellington recorded w/ conny plank! this doesn't sound like neu! but it does sound damn good.
As described by Henrik von Holtum, who wrote the album’s liner notes:

Duke Ellington’s musical works are seemingly well documented; the likelihood of finding a good, unreleased Duke Ellington recording is slight at best. When Grönland Records called and told me they had found exactly that in Conny Plank’s estate and asked me if I wanted to give it a listen, I felt pretty honored, and excited. The music of Duke Ellington is – in my worldview – to jazz what Bach’s oeuvre is to classical music: THE great benchmark, or – to raise it up onto an even higher pedestal – the Old Testament, the alpha and omega. With both Bach and Ellington, you can sit down at a piano simply to go through it building chords and something great always happens. This music is so rich, and it is virtually indestructible.

I listened to the recordings for the first time in Grönland Records’ offices. One session, two songs: three takes each of “Alerado” and “Afrique.” They weren’t just alternate takes, like you often get on reissues of jazz classics; you can really hear Ellington working. He’s not just looking for the best take to get something clearly defined, he’s experimenting.

The tempi change, solo instruments are switched around, and, on the last take of “Afrique,” you can even hear soprano vocals. “Alerado” is a straightforward swing number, it features Wild Bill Davis on the organ, and, most notably, Cat Anderson on the trumpet, who provide a foundation for striking concepts of sonority and solo performance. The musical approach to “Afrique” is freer and more avant-garde; the foundation of the piece is a tom-tom based beat that is sustained throughout and layered with improvisations and arranged segments.

Conny was fascinated by how great the difference in tone was between his prior studio work and those takes; the Ellington big band was delivering something totally different, something better than he was accustomed to. It resulted in a recording that even Conny could be happy with. This session seems to have given an important impulse to his work, independent of the praise he received from the master.

This casts the bon mot often attributed to Conny that “every band gets the sound it deserves” in a different light; it no longer comes across as an arrogant remark, but as a clear conception of a simple fact: one can only produce what’s there – if the performance isn’t any good, technology won’t help either. So, for him, it was a moment of realization and revelation.

And ensuring that the performance was spot-on was one of Conny’s great talents. Independently of one another, artists he later produced repeatedly described how vital his kindheartedness, tranquility and circumspection were to producing successful recordings.

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:44 (two years ago) Permalink

so cool

Brad C., Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:49 (two years ago) Permalink

Whoa new exotica-mode Ellington produced by conny plank??? Is this out yet?

demonic mnevice (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:54 (two years ago) Permalink

out july 10

tylerw, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 16:55 (two years ago) Permalink

this is insanely exciting

Vic Perry, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:03 (two years ago) Permalink

Seriously can't wait for this.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:06 (two years ago) Permalink

Wow this will be great.

I have been going through a major Ellington binge for the last couple of months, I have barely listened to much else lately tbh

xelab, Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:29 (two years ago) Permalink


example (crüt), Wednesday, 15 April 2015 18:29 (two years ago) Permalink

I didn't know much about Ellington other than his dad was a butler at the White House. I read a bit of the Terry Teachout book today and he portrays him very much as a brilliant last minute-meister who drove his band mad with mad with his consistent idle procrastination, rather than the driven musical Stakhanovite I was expecting. It was an amusing revelation for me(considering his 1700 compositions in 5 decades) that adds to his legend if anything.

xelab, Wednesday, 22 April 2015 20:51 (two years ago) Permalink

three months pass...

Duke salutes the Beatles!

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, 9 August 2015 12:42 (two years ago) Permalink


Duke Ellington - Reflections In D -- a friend posted this.. apologies if it's already in the thread

braunld (Lowell N. Behold'n), Sunday, 9 August 2015 13:44 (two years ago) Permalink

"Well gentlemen, Sullivan's wardrobe department is letting me off the hook with the lace cuffs, but the rest of you are going to have to roll with it."

juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Sunday, 9 August 2015 13:47 (two years ago) Permalink

one month passes...

I am really getting into Bonga off the Afro Bossa album recently.

xelab, Sunday, 13 September 2015 00:36 (two years ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

You thought the recently-discovered hi-fidelity Armstrong recordings were something?


Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 20 April 2016 22:42 (one year ago) Permalink

Digging it

tylerw, Thursday, 21 April 2016 00:02 (one year ago) Permalink

Nice one!

calzino, Thursday, 21 April 2016 00:09 (one year ago) Permalink

So much bass! Which is to say, there's bass. And guitar too. Really gives a sense of how the early rhythm section would have motored the live orchestra.

juggulo for the complete klvtz (bendy), Thursday, 21 April 2016 17:19 (one year ago) Permalink

this is great: 15 minutes of the ellington tribute at the white house in 1969.

tylerw, Thursday, 28 April 2016 14:59 (one year ago) Permalink

Wow! Thanks for posting that!

Always loved this exchange, after Ellington kissed Nixon four times:

Nixon: "Four kisses? Why four?"
Ellington: "One for each cheek."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 28 April 2016 15:36 (one year ago) Permalink

so suave, flirting with Pat and accepting his Medal of Freedom with a shout-out to Strayhorn


Brad C., Thursday, 28 April 2016 20:52 (one year ago) Permalink

It must have felt good for him to go to the White House as a revered 20th century icon and thinking his old man used to occasionally work as a butler there to get by.

calzino, Thursday, 28 April 2016 21:27 (one year ago) Permalink

that improv at 8:40...nobody in his league

tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:03 (one year ago) Permalink

yeah totally!

a shout-out to Strayhorn
it's funny, i feel like it's become part of the Ellington "narrative" that Strayhorn didn't get the credit he deserved ... but I feel like on virtually every live recording I've heard, Duke gives him a shout out. (i know strayhorn might've been overshadowed by the Ellington genius mythos, but it doesn't seem to be Duke's fault anyway).

tylerw, Thursday, 28 April 2016 22:13 (one year ago) Permalink

seven months pass...

I'm loving his Three Suites today, especially his majestic peer gynt.

calzino, Friday, 23 December 2016 16:00 (one year ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Finally remembered to play Blue Rose (the mono-LP-era R Clooney collabo). It's really good.

his eye is on despair-o (Jon not Jon), Friday, 3 February 2017 16:24 (eleven months ago) Permalink

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