― stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:16 (twenty years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:22 (twenty years ago) link
― Sean (Sean), Monday, 26 May 2003 17:33 (twenty years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:01 (twenty years ago) link
i like this sentence of Sean's quite a bit. really.but i'm still undecided as to which bits from it i'd take to piece together a sentence of my own...
"not", "funny" and "sic", these for sure....and not any others, it seems.
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Monday, 26 May 2003 21:43 (twenty years ago) link
yep, and produced by Nellee Hooper
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 26 May 2003 22:18 (twenty years ago) link
No dear, you're thinking of Madge.
― maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 00:41 (twenty years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 00:50 (twenty years ago) link
― keith (keithmcl), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 00:51 (twenty years ago) link
In fact, I have an aunt that does this.
Usually to 'The Best' - surely one of the most hideous songs ever written.
Tina Turner - looks to me like she's escaped from a Ty Phoo advert - and a granny in thick supporting tights and a frightwig - never good.
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:10 (twenty years ago) link
Ike & Tina amazing stuff.Private Dancer - one of the defining albums of the 80s (and my first big concert age 11 or so)she was Auntie Entity - you try walking around in the desert wearing a chainmail outfit that weighs 80 pounds. that's tough.
more recent stuff hasn't done much for me tho thought the song she did for the biopic was pretty good.
― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:18 (twenty years ago) link
Die, Grandma, die!
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 09:47 (twenty years ago) link
(on the other hand there're also things like "Proud Mary"...)
― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 11:56 (twenty years ago) link
― scott woods (s woods), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:18 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:21 (twenty years ago) link
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 12:31 (twenty years ago) link
It's official: ILM hates black people.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 13:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 13:49 (twenty years ago) link
― russ t, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:25 (twenty years ago) link
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 14:55 (twenty years ago) link
(Sorry for the non-racism, Dan. But keep hope alive!)
― Neudonym, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:27 (twenty years ago) link
― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:43 (twenty years ago) link
Or has she done that already.....?
― RUSS T, Tuesday, 27 May 2003 15:45 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:48 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:49 (twenty years ago) link
― Kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:50 (twenty years ago) link
― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Tuesday, 27 May 2003 19:51 (twenty years ago) link
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 16 April 2007 01:20 (sixteen years ago) link
― Tape Store, Monday, 16 April 2007 05:43 (sixteen years ago) link
― nicky lo-fi, Monday, 16 April 2007 06:44 (sixteen years ago) link
one of the best all time performers EVER. but saying that, i dont know how many of ike and tina turners songs i actually like, apart from nutbush city limits, proud mary, river deep mountain high and maybe one or two others. maybe i just dont know enough. but seeing them live must have been phenomenal, going on the dvds ive seen.
― titchyschneiderMk2, Saturday, 15 December 2007 12:41 (sixteen years ago) link
"ike turner beats tina to death"- i've just seen this headline.
― darraghmac, Monday, 17 December 2007 12:44 (sixteen years ago) link
come on you sons of bitchez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJGoNeM3WzY
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 28 June 2008 09:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Even fucking Iggy Pop couldn't do better than that you better kick your sexist ass out of town
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 28 June 2008 09:42 (fifteen years ago) link
PRIVATE DANCER
― Bimble Is Still More Goth Than You, Saturday, 6 December 2008 23:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Dud. totally ruined Let's Stay Together.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Sunday, 7 December 2008 11:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Classic! What the fuck? So many haters! I seriously need to buy that Private Dancer album.
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Sunday, May 25, 2003 3:18 PM (8 years ago) Bookmark
good Lord, miccio is 1,000% OTM here, overriding even the otherwise unimpeachable alex in nyc. (the rest of her solo stuff, except for the "thunderdome" song, is admittedly meh.)
― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Saturday, 9 July 2011 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC41K6lL6GY
― bendy, Saturday, 9 July 2011 19:43 (twelve years ago) link
Classic for Thunderdome. Keep only what's necessary to make her performance in Thunderdome possible. Private Dancer, too. Also classic for Ike's line, "I'm only doin this cuz I love you, baby."
― Spectrum, Saturday, 9 July 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link
(i should've been more clear ... the private dancer album and the "thunderdome" song are absolute classics from her solo career; what came AFTER that, though, is kinda meh. obv. the stuff with Ike and some of the solo stuff before private dancer is also totally classic.)
― KARLOR CAN FUCK ANYTHING! AND HE WILL AND HAS!!! (Eisbaer), Saturday, 9 July 2011 19:48 (twelve years ago) link
Two Tina thread revivals! You're excited!
I love Break Every Rule's "Typical Male" and "What You Get is What You See."
― The Edge of Gloryhole (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 9 July 2011 19:58 (twelve years ago) link
Tina rulez. saw her last year and she's still got it. plus she had a huge Thunderdome set for just the one track. so OTT!
― I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Sunday, 10 July 2011 19:08 (twelve years ago) link
Only found out recently that she did a cover of Robert Palmer's great "Johnny and Mary" (buried on the soundtrack to the film Summer Lovers), and it may be my favourite version of the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUiOKwxQ3Yk
― A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Sunday, 26 July 2020 02:35 (three years ago) link
wow
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 July 2020 02:36 (three years ago) link
i thought this bump would be related to the kygo thing :( he really needs to stop
― dyl, Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
Upcoming documentary
https://www.hbo.com/documentaries/tina
― that's not my post, Friday, 12 March 2021 17:04 (three years ago) link
Tina rulez. saw her last year and she's still got it. plus she had a huge Thunderdome set for just the one track. so OTT!― I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:08 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink
― I'm A Genius, Too! (Jamie_ATP), Sunday, July 10, 2011 3:08 PM (nine years ago) bookmarkflaglink
I still haven't seen the movie, but I've been obsessed with this song lately and this just adds to that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuO_8VlYAfk
― peace, man, Friday, 12 March 2021 17:48 (three years ago) link
first episode of the doc is great
― horseshoe, Sunday, 28 March 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
the way it starts, with her explaining she didn’t want there to be a story of her life because “it wasn’t a good life” is a punch to the gut.
― horseshoe, Sunday, 28 March 2021 21:15 (three years ago) link
What you get is what you see!
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 March 2021 21:28 (three years ago) link
One thing that's frightening about Ike is when I first saw him on a PBS special on Sun Records. He was interviewed with Sam Phillips and there was no mention of his wrongdoings, just his involvement at Sun (which took me by surprise - I didn't know or forgot that "Rocket '88" among others was recorded there). He was actually jovial and turned on the charm. If you didn't know better, you'd think he was an all right guy who may be a lot of fun. To be honest, I'm sure that's why he was able to abuse so many women - if he didn't have any charisma, I don't think he could've drawn so many under his influence and manipulate them the way he did. It's not until I saw his other TV interviews (check for Arsenio Hall and I think Whoopi Goldberg on YouTube) that he revealed himself to be an unrepentant shit. Not an iota of remorse when he was questioned about his past.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:20 (ten months ago) link
The take of "Use Me" I have (somewhere) is on the apparently legit comp Golden Empire, with the Pre (?)-Princely/totally I & T title track and other analog funktronic support, incl. a bit of pleasingly primitive synth (or something), going good w guitar & voc; some of these were demos for the Stones, according to liners
― dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:24 (ten months ago) link
you could argue "Rocket 88" is the ur-text for rock n' roll, a full four years before Chuck Berry releases "Maybelline".If you haven’t already checked this out, I highly recommend it: https://500songs.com/podcast/rocket-88-by-jackie-brenston-and-the-delta-cats/
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:38 (ten months ago) link
it’s a natural digression so i’m not saying don’t talk about him ever… but if there is to be extended deep diving into him then i’d appreciate if you could do that on another thread (there’s at least three or more) Tina is not synonymous with Ike and hasn’t been for 40 years and i want to make sure that boundary is clear to everyone ITT
― werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:45 (ten months ago) link
FWIW, even if Ike wasn't such a monstrous shit, there was still something missing about his overall body of work - maybe a lack of artistic vision, but it says a lot that once Tina came into the picture, she seemed to remedy the problem to a certain extent, and you really see what she had when she found success with other collaborators. It's probably a good basis for an entire book, how the right singer fronting the band isn't necessarily just a voice or an interpreter for someone else's songs. I think that's partly why someone like Rod Stewart had such tremendous respect for Tina, because he knew what she was bringing besides her voice and stage presence.
― birdistheword, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:47 (ten months ago) link
Sounds right, thxbtw xpost
and other analog funktronic support
― dow, Thursday, 25 May 2023 20:51 (ten months ago) link
Are: Tina in the 2000s
She cut a handful of tracks for hits collections, but mainly stuck to touring occasionally and working in Vegas. Her 2009/10 tour was pitched as a farewell. She had a major stroke in 2013, which she a few years recovering from.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:30 (ten months ago) link
i also love love love her cover of Helpshe does it in the style of the John Farnham version from 1980 (which i also love) and wow talk about taking you to church 📹
― Naive Teen Idol, Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:47 (ten months ago) link
VG - totally understood, apologies for the digression I think there something about Townsend's dismissiveness of R&B playing as basic that rankled me but as you said it's not the time
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:51 (ten months ago) link
Ike was a horrible person who was a marvelous producer. We talk about his guitar -- what about his Moog touches? Wonderful.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:52 (ten months ago) link
Townsend's dismissiveness of R&B playing as basicNot to drag this out, but Townshend absolutely revered Jimmy Reed and Steve Cropper. And I think what he said about Ike was primarily“this is neither the time nor place to discuss him.”(Apologies for the “Yeah! Stop replying-all, everyone!” but I just thought that point needed clarifying.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 May 2023 21:58 (ten months ago) link
Re Tina playing South Africa, had a vague memory of this from reading I Tina for a college class and if I recall correctly the South Africa tour was right after divorce when Tina was saddled with all the debts to promoters, IRS etc and supporting 4 kids and taking any job she could get.
She later described herself as naive about the South Africa situation - knowing it was segregated but feeling ‘well I grew up in a segregated country, and the shows are integrated, not white only’ and she later turned down offers from Sun City and other gigs and apologized.
OK, google tells me shows were in 79 and knew Dusty Springfield was deported from South Africa in 64 for insisting her shows be integrated, and I just found out Gram Parsons quit the Byrds in 68 rather than play in South Africa so there were def. people who were aware enuf but others continued to play even after the UN Cultural Boycott came into effect in 1980.
(Side note, my passport growing up had a stamp in it - good for all countries except South Africa - and the first Olympics old enuf to remember watching ’76 Montreal was boycotted by most African countries to protest New Zealand’s participation as they were breaking the sports boycott with the All Blacks playing in South Africa)
Reason I’d originally come back to thread was I found myself oddly moved yesterday when looking at the Martyn Ware twitter thread Ned had posted above.
He’d been happily posting about football and going to Wembley, then posted “Tina’s gone” and then there was an hour gap before next post when he paid tribute to her. It just felt like he saw the news, had to say something and then gather himself before writing a statement.
― H in Addis, Friday, 26 May 2023 08:42 (ten months ago) link
Thread
I have a story about Tina Turner. I worked for CBS News in the 1990s, and one assignment I had at "60 Minutes" was to watch old raw (unedited) interview footage, for some reason I can't recall. So I watched the raw footage of a 1996 Mike Wallace interview with Tina Turner.— Leslie Molson (@lesliemolson) May 25, 2023
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 May 2023 10:48 (ten months ago) link
https://t.co/YRY0NBJZU9
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 26 May 2023 11:01 (ten months ago) link
Wow
Lizzo. Did. That.That’s a fucking tribute. 💜pic.twitter.com/6FAAf9M9Ft— LoLo Vonz (@LoLoVonz) May 26, 2023
― ⓓⓡ (Johnny Fever), Friday, 26 May 2023 19:53 (ten months ago) link
this is wild and awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtejfVN_tGc
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 May 2023 20:08 (ten months ago) link
Sirius/XM's Soul Town channel #49 is all-Tina for at least today!
Sirius/XM is also free this weekend for curious how listeners.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 May 2023 20:30 (ten months ago) link
They just played this Bowie-penned number:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmvpZd1Bn5
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 May 2023 20:38 (ten months ago) link
^^"Girls", from Break Every Rule
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 May 2023 20:40 (ten months ago) link
That Lizzo clip is amazing.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 26 May 2023 21:06 (ten months ago) link
Barely remember this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGHxjBftF_w
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 26 May 2023 21:33 (ten months ago) link
TIL that Ike & Tina borrowed half of their "Proud Mary" arrangement from the Checkmates Ltd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMGW9dLQVg
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 29 May 2023 01:03 (ten months ago) link
as C grisso mentioned, Soultown on sirius XM, which is ostensibly concerned with the soul diaspora from, say, 1961-1975, has been the Tina channel since saturday. I've heard "A Fool in Love" twice, a very clearly not 1963 recorded remake of "It's Gonna Work Out fine," "Nutbush City Limits" (i do love that moog break) each once, and "Proud Mary" and "River Deep" not once… the overwhelming majority played is the Private Dancer and post-Private dancer music… and since I never fucked with her 90s shit, hearing whatever song she does with Barry White is a treat! as is her version of "Unfinished Sympathy"… but its giving me the impression that, unlike peers like Aretha, before P.D., she doesn't have a lot of hugely enduring hits…like, have normies who like soul/R&B ever heard "A Fool In love?" or is it like expecting said normies to know "Rocket 88"? It appears that before P.D., her legacy rests on her live show, where she would do Stones covers or whatever songs happened to be big that she could do nice andf rough… what other songs did she do prior to PD other than the five I mention above could someone interested in R&B in the 1960s reasonably be expected to know?
and when I hear "The best" or "Steamy Windows," it makes me think that she must have had access to the same pool of songs and songwriters that Cher had in the late 80s… I can hear Tina doing ""heart of Stone" or " I Found Someone," same production ethic, same everything, really…
― veronica moser, Wednesday, 31 May 2023 18:53 (nine months ago) link
Ace of Base's "Don't Turn Around" was written for and performed by Tina.
Re your original point: no, she was never in the U.S. a major crossover artist other than the exceptions.
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 18:56 (nine months ago) link
She is NOT Aretha.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
there's a special place in my heart for tina turner singing "gonna give you every inch of my dick"
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:22 (nine months ago) link
wow there are dogshit opinions at the beginning of this thread
saw a cool post on facebook, paraphrasing:
the jist was "Nutbush City Limits" was a big hit in Australia the year that AC/DC formed. It was also apparently the first song they asked Brian Johnson to sing during his audition for the band. Listening through that lens the influence is very apparent especially in the guitar riff/tone...Johnson is such a dude I wouldn't think Tina until now but I could definitely see her influence on him.
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:32 (nine months ago) link
hadn't heard this one before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPZFBU_aUVoTina Turner - Unfinished Sympathy (Extended Olympic Mix)
― rincton monkspoon (NickB), Wednesday, 31 May 2023 19:51 (nine months ago) link
I didn’t hear it until after she passed, but the original mix of her take on “Unfinished Sympathy” was really kind of an eye opener for me. I think I had a tendency to think of her post-PD material as a bit of a “Well, it’s nice she had the chance to come back and get her due” thing. But she certainly gives an incredible performance here that, if it doesn’t necessarily surpass Shara Nelson’s certainly matches its power and intensity – while also having a certain resonance because it’s Tina. The same is true of that performances linked upthread of “We Don’t Need Another Hero” and “Help.”In retrospect, its kind of hilarious that Xgau was trying to tell us her voice was “shot” like forty years ago. Um, no.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 12:40 (nine months ago) link
what grade did he give dylan's latest phlegmfest?
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 17:21 (nine months ago) link
it is so infuriating how little respect critics gave her throughout even when praising the material as if she was incidental to what made those records sound great
― your original display name is still visible (Left), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 17:26 (nine months ago) link
tbc he loved Tina Turner
― the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 17:52 (nine months ago) link
Bob clearly thought her voice was gone back on Nutbush City Limits in 1973. As with all things Xgau, there's at least a hint of misogyny in his praise of female artists, ogling her legs, alluding to her submissiveness to Ike, the music industry, etc. But he was indeed a big fan.
― Naive Teen Idol, Wednesday, 14 June 2023 18:36 (nine months ago) link
Her vocal on Herbie Hancock's 2007 cover of Joni Mitchell's "Edith & The Kingpin" is quite something: a side to her that I hadn't heard before.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwDIJjYhQRo
― mike t-diva, Thursday, 15 June 2023 20:00 (nine months ago) link
^^A big discovery for me from the Sirius/xM playlist.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 June 2023 20:43 (nine months ago) link