"PIECE A PIE? PIECE A PIE BUD?""No!"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 15 May 2005 23:51 (eighteen years ago) link
In their words:
Seelard Records 021 (not a Negativland release) Negativmailorderland has discovered what can only be described as the ultimate "reissue" of the music that made Negativland so (in)famous: the two track EP originally released by SST Records featuring cover versions of a Very Famous Irish Rock Band's hit song. If you've gotten this far you undoubtedly know what we're talking about so we won't bore you with the details...
Several "bootleg" versions of our banned EP have appeared over the past decade, including some forgeries that are so well-designed that it's hard to tell them apart from the original (see our discography for details), but none of them have come even close to encapsulating the bloody history of that old release as this brand-new CD on the suspicious "Seelard Records" label. We don't even know where this "label" is located, but we were so impressed with their efforts that we've decided to distribute a bunch of copies of it ourselves.
THESE GUYS ARE FROM ENGLAND AND WHO GIVES A SHIT is an album-length collection of just about every darn gasp uttered by Negativland which relates to the notorious and banned EP, from early run-thrus of the material (taped from our weekly radio show, OVER THE EDGE), to live versions both pre-lawsuit and post, and to the actual single itself. We are amazed at the extremely high-fidelity and professional presentation of this material, which even includes the only top-notch recordings available from our "Music For Lawyers" tour of 1993 (several lawsuit-related compositions which never saw the light of day on any other "legitimate" Negativland album).Complete track listing:
1. OVER THE EDGE 12/31/89 (excerpts) 7:592. Long Distance Dedication #1 (live) 6:193. 1991 A Cappella Mix - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For 7:154. Special Edit Radio Mix - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For 5:475. Long Distance Dedication #2 (live) 7:036. Copying is a Criminal Act (live) 5:077. Wake Up America (live) 4:038. The Black Lady of Espionage (live) 5:009. Deliberate Sabotage (live) 2:5910. A Cappella Version - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (live) 7:1611. Edited Special Edit Radio Mix - I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For (may actually be played on the radio!!) 5:42
We are convinced that this overly attentive-to-detail release will EXHAUST your interest in this subject FOREVER and provide the Negativ-fan with legally impossible entertainment at the same time.
― Matt Sab (Matt Sab), Monday, 16 May 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:36 (eighteen years ago) link
But I also couldn't imagine a group like Negativland coming out of, say, Canada. [Laughs.]
Um, John Oswald?
(I know, I know -- he was talking about Negativland, the "band", specifically and how they operated over the years, and not talking about classic found-sound artists in general, but those three words above came immediately to mind after that final line.)
― donut e- (donut), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― donut e- (donut), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Consolidated Works, Seattle (Fri 3/10, Sat 3/11) along with the Negativlandland art exhibit that debuted in NYC last year.
Capitol Theater, Olympia (Sun 3/12)
"It's All In Your Head" is the show.. same one as the ones in Ontario and the Bay Area last year.
Expect a more Over The Edge-y type thing and don't expect greatest hits although Richard Lyons and David Wills will likely be in attendance, so who knows what will happen.
I'll be at the Friday show fer sure.
― Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:44 (eighteen years ago) link
Is Negativlandland the art exhibit then? I got confused when I saw a link to that on the site because it looked like something that had already taken place.
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Friday, 10 March 2006 05:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Friday, 10 March 2006 05:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Da Na Not! (donut), Friday, 10 March 2006 20:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― LoneNut, Friday, 10 March 2006 21:04 (eighteen years ago) link
(Assuming I don't have other work priorities) I'm probably skipping Spank Rock Sat. night to see/hear this again...
― Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 11 March 2006 10:07 (eighteen years ago) link
The small David Wills installation in the back was like crumbs in front of a hungry man. My favourite part of the wall of written Wills-isms was "One thing that is very important is that you burp your Tupperware".
It did go on a bit too long I think, 3 hours, but I was also just very tired after a long workweek. Yeah I considered going again tonight too, but I've already got other plans.
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 16:37 (eighteen years ago) link
Another thing is that I actually got lost on the way there and ended up stopping right in front of a church a couple of blocks away that had physical features of both Christianity and those funny shaped things you see on the top of mosques. Very odd.
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 16:50 (eighteen years ago) link
You can! This show was the debut of the "Hey, we have 'It's All In Your Head' for sale at the merch booth" show... they're selling the limited edition double-CDs for $12 each I believe. I picked one up last night. You can also order them only via negativland.com, and those are the ONLY two ways you can get this. I picked one up, but -- after seeing this show -- will probably actually listen to it a week later, just because, well, my brain is already saturated with It's All In Your Head as it is. :D
― Yoo Doo Nut (donut), Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 19:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 20:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 22:44 (eighteen years ago) link
That was the first song I ever heard of New Order ever when I knew I had fallen in love with New Order.
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― And the air hangs heavy like a dulling wine (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:06 (eighteen years ago) link
if it's the track I'm thinking of (simple 2/4 plonky stomp), that's a sample of the first track on Moebius & Renziehausen's Ersatz
― milton parker (Jon L), Saturday, 11 March 2006 23:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Sunday, 12 March 2006 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link
"Pump gag"
― All The Furniture Is In The Garage (Bimble...), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link
http://blogs.citypages.com/ctg/2006/05/art_party_negat.asp
― Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Friday, 12 May 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link
Negativland is doing their "It's All In Your Head FM" tour near me next month...anyone know anything about it?
― Reatards Unite, Monday, 16 July 2007 00:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I've seen it an it's freaking great. It will make you think, (especially if you are an atheist like me). You must go. Negativland are very dear to my heart, though I only really think about them intensely about once a year.
― Bimble, Monday, 16 July 2007 00:24 (sixteen years ago) link
I've heard that Mark Hosler from Negativland will do a lecture at the ZXZW festival in Holland. Which already has a killer line-up. www.zxzw.nl
― joost666, Monday, 16 July 2007 10:21 (sixteen years ago) link
Bimble, I'm impressed.
― Saxby D. Elder, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 03:19 (sixteen years ago) link
Spoke one of the organizers. There will also the premiere of a new Neagtivland film.
― joost666, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 08:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I'll unite with you, reatard. Any idea what the show will be like? I'm guessing that the shows will have a similar style to the 2005 <i>It's All in Your Head FM</i> shows, but different content, right? I listen to that live release more than almost any other live release from the last five years.
Color me excited.
― Jamesy, Wednesday, 18 July 2007 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link
Saw Hosler give his lecture last night at the Knox Museum of Art. Then everybody went to Senor Taco with him. Then bowling!
― today, i'm a numbers machine (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:07 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm envious!
― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Wish I had pics.
― today, i'm a numbers machine (roxymuzak), Thursday, 13 November 2008 17:44 (fifteen years ago) link
Between the return of U2 and this it's like it's their time all over again.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 2 March 2009 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I filed a police report today (minor thing--car got rifled through, nothing taken it seems). The officer handed me the report number and his name etc. on a piece of paper, at the bottom of which is printed "©2001 TEN-8, INC." Naturally it made me want to hear A Big 10-8 Place. Man I love this thing (every couple of years anyway).
"The door opens automatically, and the first thing you see is the orangecarpet inside 180...and you'll see the dog juice, the horrible dog juice..."
― andrew m., Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
which album/video has the Weatherman's story about fixing the playboy channel in Rossmoor?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link
The half-hour of sound manipulation they did at La Luz is on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN1z58l88dU
― Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 25 September 2012 05:12 (eleven years ago) link
i have the guns cd single which has 2 versions which are good but i wish they would come out with a greatest cd collection.
― xzanfar, Sunday, 9 June 2013 00:31 (ten years ago) link
still absolute solid gold
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHY9iSdoqK4
― piscesx, Sunday, 9 June 2013 02:20 (ten years ago) link
do u know how many time zones there are in the soviet union
― ⓢⓗⓘⓣ (am0n), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
ELEVEN
― polyamanita (sleeve), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link
That's ridiculous. It's not even funny.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 1 July 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
guns
― OutdoorF on Golf (Jon Lewis), Tuesday, 1 July 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
Negativland have posted on Facebook that Ian Allen, a key early member who had to leave the band in the late eighties due to continuing health issues, has passed on after complications from surgery. Very sad news to hear -- he introduced the original group to Don Joyce, was a key force behind the design and concept of A Big 10-8 Place, pushed for the tape loop approach and more.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 11:30 (nine years ago) link
Direct link on FB
https://www.facebook.com/Negativlandland/timeline/story?ut=43&wstart=0&wend=1422777599&hash=-8355825573272387065&pagefilter=3
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 11:37 (nine years ago) link
Aw, jeez. RIP.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 21 January 2015 12:56 (nine years ago) link
The new album The World Will Decide is the best thing they've done since Helter Stupid. The stronger theming definitely helps.
The mirror image sequel to last year’s *True False*, *The World Will Decide* turns the focus away from our very human inability to accurately define reality, and towards the technologies attempting to do a better job at it. But if sorting true from false seemed like a full time job back when all we had to keep track of was our own minds, life alongside the machines built to connect us only seems to multiply the uncertainties.
― oblique allergies (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 1 December 2020 21:30 (three years ago) link
Performance by Negativland + SUE-C • Tuesday, March 23rd at 9:30pm EST: Part of the 59th Ann Arbor Film Festival. Free and open to the public.https://www.aafilmfest.org/
Live collage cinema and live collage sound! Legendary sound collage group Negativland teams up with legendary live cinema artist SUE-C to bring you a streaming audiovisual performance about our nervous systems, our realities, and the evolving forms of media and technology that inevitably insert themselves between them. Original music, found sounds, uniquely organic visuals, manipulated media, Boopers, and a few surprises are normal to come to your attention.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKI5BYfrKyw
― octobeard, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 18:49 (three years ago) link
Great. thanks!I covered 180 d’ Gs to the FUTURE! for the long-gone, Whiney-edited Paper Thin Walls, also had a lively phone cnversation w Hosler, lall of that archived here:
https://papercomet.blogspot.com/2020/01/negativland-reviewinterview_19.html
A year or two later, I pitched Thingmotactic: https://papercomet.blogspot.com/2020/10/negativland-pitch-see-prev.html
Thought True False was uneven, mainly wordwise, but some amazing sounds---will have to check the 2020, din't know about that!
― dow, Wednesday, 24 March 2021 19:56 (three years ago) link
Hosler is a very lively conversationalist!
― sarahell, Thursday, 25 March 2021 00:12 (three years ago) link
Yeah, and I wish I could have used more of what he was saying, but he was great with what we had room for, coming across at all times as the real deal. Negativland is a way of life.
― dow, Thursday, 25 March 2021 01:21 (three years ago) link
wow @ their last two albums. True False is great, World Will Decide is maybe even greater. not bad from a band I thought was done for!!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 14:25 (one year ago) link
Agreed! Some of their best work yet!
― nerve_pylon, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 14:32 (one year ago) link
yep they are great, also great live. if you get a chance to see them, go.
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:02 (one year ago) link
I love their website FAQ: "didn't like half of you die a few years ago?"
I thought Dave Wills ("The Weatherman") died a few years back, so I was thrilled to hear his voice on the second track. He's one of those guys who could make me laugh just reading the newspaper.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link
when I saw them he made a special live video appearance for the encore!
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link
i didn't realize until recently that former member chris grigg was the guy behind the general midi -> YM2612 GEMS composition system for the sega genesis!
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:00 (one year ago) link
I had absolutely no idea this band was still around.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:24 (one year ago) link
The Over the Edge archive at archive.org is overwhelming; I guess they're working directly with Joyce's assistants to eventually host every single OTE episode. Looks like they're up to 1,300 archived so far. Incredibly helpful for browsing individual series or time periods (finally having some metadata and show descriptions for all of these is amazing). Strongly recommended stuff – jaw-dropping run of great work, esp. given each episode is 3+ hrs long.
― ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:42 (one year ago) link
looking up Negativland stuff on YouTube I got directed to this video, where Hosler talks about the U2 lawsuit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2h1TOfeVFA
it's interesting because, during the lecture, he questions who in Athens Georgia it was who even brought the record to U2's attention, and realizes it must have had something to do with REM, particularly their manager who happens to be IN THE CROWD
the part where Casey Kasem goes "This is American Top 40, right here on the radio station you grew up with, Music 103 OH FUCK" is still incredibly funny
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:49 (one year ago) link
also reveals how they got the Casey Kasem samples in the first place: some fan gave them a tape after one of their shows
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:02 (one year ago) link
Mark is a real charming, entertaining guy IRL ... really easy to talk to. There was a slightly awkward incident in the past couple years, where one of the new members of the band was mislabeled as Mark Hosler in the caption of a promo photo on the website of a venue they were performing at ... however, they do look a bit alike.
― sarahell, Saturday, 2 July 2022 03:48 (one year ago) link
hahaha they do
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Saturday, 2 July 2022 16:11 (one year ago) link
also thanks sleeve for posting this -- re: Rather Ripped records featuring pics of lil Hosler
https://devorahostrov.blogspot.com/2020/08/the-story-of-rather-ripped-records.html
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:05 (one year ago) link
i found a test pressing of 'escape from noise' in a fleamarket here last week. never owned a copy before and it's got the big thick booklet too, super happy with my find!
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:12 (one year ago) link
Good find! Did it come with the 'Car Bomb' bumper sticker? I'm pretty sure the dude in the record shop I bought it in swiped my one. I've never fully got over it.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:30 (one year ago) link
Alas no!
― o shit the sheriff (NickB), Thursday, 14 July 2022 21:36 (one year ago) link
I believe I might have a spare sticker ... also I think you can buy the sticker for like $3 from their mail order site? ... mail order moved from Contra Costa County to NC in the past couple years so there may have been changes.
― sarahell, Thursday, 14 July 2022 22:36 (one year ago) link
back in the day I had that sticker on my Subaru, doesn't seem like such a good idea these days tho
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 14 July 2022 23:29 (one year ago) link
thanks for sticker heads up. 35 years on it shall be mine!
x post
probably not such a good idea having it on yr car in this era, but i don't drive so shall stick it elsewhere.
― stirmonster, Thursday, 14 July 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link
Stoked for this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM20UEek7IY
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 20 August 2022 21:14 (one year ago) link
the video projections were a nice addition to the performance ... though at various points the music felt a bit anemic in comparison. It's nice to see Mark still going though. A friend told me, "they should just retire already," but sometimes there are still things you want to say/do even if you're old? There were some great parts in the set (not counting the joys of the Weatherman at the end, which was like, the "playing the hits" encore), but other parts where I was like, "uhhhhh idk what you're trying to say here? I kinda get it, but that's maybe not what I would see as the most salient aspect of what I think you are trying to say?" ... there were also a few samples that I felt like didn't really "work" for me, but they were used frequently so I felt like they were "supposed to work" but maybe it's just me. The audience seemed happy, which was nice.
― sarahell, Friday, 9 September 2022 19:43 (one year ago) link
the video projections were a nice addition to the performance ... though at various points the music felt a bit anemic in comparison. It's nice to see Mark still going though. A friend told me, "they should just retire already,"
― sarahell
seriously, at this point they're just cashing in, who's gonna pay $300 a ticket for a seat in the nosebleeds
― Kate (rushomancy), Friday, 9 September 2022 23:18 (one year ago) link
the show I saw in Eugene last year was great, fwiw (I do think the live video element added something)
― sleeve, Friday, 9 September 2022 23:51 (one year ago) link
Huh? Negativland is a $22.50 ticket here at LA Arts&Archive.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 9 September 2022 23:52 (one year ago) link
/sarcasm
(I assume)
― sleeve, Saturday, 10 September 2022 00:09 (one year ago) link
Then I can't wait until Negativland goes back to basics on their next album.
― Elvis Telecom, Saturday, 10 September 2022 00:56 (one year ago) link
aren't they playing some spot with numbers in the name that is kinda DIY and very much not up to code and probably shouldn't be promoting shows as much as they do if they don't want to get busted, though maybe LA is nicer about that shit than some cities?
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 September 2022 03:53 (one year ago) link
not to be a dick about it, just like, if they get busted, and you know the people running it (because it looks like they are cool), give them my contact info lol.
― sarahell, Saturday, 10 September 2022 03:55 (one year ago) link
― sleeve
yeah just like. sure. negativland are going to "retire" on the massive income from their phenomenally successful recording career. because "retire" is what people do, not "get too sick to work and die".
― Kate (rushomancy), Saturday, 10 September 2022 16:14 (one year ago) link