is the associates : 'sulk' all it's cracked up to be ?

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Sulk is one of my favourite albums ever, although part of me actually thinks "Australia" ("next to Tasmaniaaaaa!") was their apotheosis, Billy's closest approach to redemption.

The only way was down.

robin carmody (robin carmody), Tuesday, 4 February 2003 06:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

two years pass...
I have much respect for Sulk, but have never really had it sink in to where I ever listen for pure enjoyment yet. I'll be trying again today. I prefer Fourth Drawer Down and The Affectionate Punch.

Bjork had this to say about Sulk:

My love affair with the Associates started when I was 15. There was only one record ship in Reykjavik taht sold alternative music adn I worked there with some of my mates. We didn't care what was popular in England or America at the time. We just adopted the artists we liked and played them to death. I quite liked Fourth Drawer Down and The Affectionate Punch, but it was Sulk I really got into. I was still looking for my identity as a singer and I really admired the way Billy Mackenzie used and manipulated his voice on that record. He was an incredibly spontaneous and intuitive singer, raw and dangerous. At the same time, he always sounded like he was really plugged into nature and the things surrounding him. I've heard people describe him as a white soul singer, but I've always thought his voice was more pagan and primitive, and for me that's much more rare and interesting. Tehre's hundreds of singers that sound a bit soulful, but there's not that many that sound like they have gypsy roots in them.

I thought "Party Fears Two" was a bit too slikc and over-produced at teh time, but I listened to it again recently and I think t's aged well. The electronics sound classic rather than cliched and Billy's voice really complements Alan Rankine's arrangements. I didn't realise "Gloomy Sunday" wasn't one of their tunes until I got invited to do a benefit concert with JOni Mitchell in California in 1997. I turned up at the rehearsal and couldn't believe it when the orchestra played this really straight jazz version without the outrageous key change in teh middle. I tried protesting they were missing out the best part of the song, then it dawned on me that the Associates version was obviously a cover. I was disappointed because the original isn't half as challenging.

A.S. Van Dorston (Fastnbulbous), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Though I do love Sulk it's behind FDD, AP2 and AP1.

And I now like Bjork a lot more.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:12 (eighteen years ago) link

--I have much respect for Sulk, but have never really had it sink in to where I ever listen for pure enjoyment yet. I'll be trying again today. I prefer Fourth Drawer Down and The Affectionate Punch.

ARE YOU SINGLE

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:55 (eighteen years ago) link

"Gloomy Sunday" not good enough for Bjork, eh? What a stuck-up little four-trick pony/one-hit wonder she is.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link

said four tricks described by wingco here.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:59 (eighteen years ago) link

Bjork is I believe planning on recording a version of "No" as a duet using Mackenzie's vocal as the counterpoint. I like that idea, actually! Apparently it was her influence that led to One Little Indian reissuing the various last-years songs of Mackenzie's earlier this year -- the Haig album and the original versions of the Beyond the Sun tracks and etc.

Ned elsewhere (rogermexico), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:14 (eighteen years ago) link

tbh I don't care about Bjork but that's good and 4 tricks is PLENTY.

A Viking of Some Note (Andrew Thames), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Just bought Sulk and Fourth Drawer Down. Had a double cassette with (i think) sulk and the affectionate punch years ago but i think i swapped it for some crap indie records.

leigh (leigh), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 11:06 (eighteen years ago) link

three years pass...

This fucking record.

Relatin' Jews to Jazz (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 6 September 2009 12:10 (fourteen years ago) link

There are days when all I want to listen to is The Associates - and I deny myself the pleasure, just to keep them special.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Sunday, 6 September 2009 17:14 (fourteen years ago) link

one year passes...

as soon as i opened this thread itunes shuffle selected the associates! not something from sulk but still ...

yes it is. such an amazing mix of accessibility and experimentation. some of the deep cuts are so fucking weird

teflon dawn (uptown churl), Friday, 17 June 2011 19:45 (twelve years ago) link

two years pass...

Can I just mention how much I love the drums on this record? Everything about the record is incredibly slick and overloaded (which I love), but then the drums underneath seem like they could fall apart at any time... it's great!

zip-a-dee-doo-dah, motherfucker! (Turrican), Monday, 23 December 2013 19:54 (ten years ago) link

Didn't they fill up the drums with water or something? The whole album sounds warped, in a great way.

brimstead, Monday, 23 December 2013 20:08 (ten years ago) link

In their endless search for found sounds, industrial drums and canisters were rolled down reverberating corridors, sheets of metal were vigorously shaken to create the effect of rolling thunder (witness the introduction to No), hired drums were filled with water (they turned to mush), hired guitars were pissed in (Billy's idea)

From Tom Doyle's sleeve notes for the sulk reissue

brimstead, Monday, 23 December 2013 20:10 (ten years ago) link

five years pass...

Saw a clip of Associates in the Big Gold Dream documentary a couple of years ago and they were the only thing that wowed me. I knew the name of the band and nothing more before then.

Got this album recently and it is great, the demo of "Party Fears Two", called "I never Will" has an amazing vocal that is distinct enough to be a very worthwhile alternate version.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 9 August 2019 19:23 (four years ago) link


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