(n1) i'd say 'most', but i'm anticipating a high-and-lofty response from somebody who 'can't' relate)
You can call Shakey by name.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link
shut the fuck up dr morbius
― and what, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:49 (sixteen years ago) link
eat shit Three Six Mafia lamo
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link
are you really turning your nose up at all television?
― remy bean, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
no, just The OC
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
Morbs, I was going to say something about how TV does certain things differently than film and there are therefore reasons why one might want to watch a TV show instead of a film (which is not to say either medium is "better"), but I think Ethan expressed my sentiment better.
― jaymc, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:51 (sixteen years ago) link
lol you guys (and what, Dr Morbius) know you're a sitcom, right?
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think I've ever said anything about The OC being a "quality" show!
― jaymc, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:52 (sixteen years ago) link
true story: i got in an argument with josh schwartz (at a bar mitzvah, none the less) when we were in high school in RI, but i doubt he remembers.
― remy bean, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:53 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't think Payne hates the characters in Election, but I remember About Schmidt striking me as way more jaundiced and just using its characters as caricatures.
and that – surely – makes a better film than him sitting in the cold, alone, wallowing in self-pity at the end of the film
granted I've only seen this movie once and it was a long time ago but I could've sworn this IS how it ended...?
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
bring back changeable usernames
― Jordan, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Schmidt opens a surprise letter from Tanzania. It is written by a nun who cares for Ndugu, and she writes briefly but warmly that Ndugu is illiterate but enjoys Schmidt's letters and financial aid very much. With the financial aid, Ngudu was able to receive much needed medical care. The little boy's hand-drawn picture is enclosed, showing two smiling stick figures, one large and one small, holding hands in the blazing sun.
― remy bean, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:55 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah but he's still sitting in his room alone and miserable...? I thought that whole ending was just to show how that letter brought him no satisfaction and didn't change his life one bit.
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:57 (sixteen years ago) link
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/projection-tv-front-projection.jpg shakey mo watching a movie^^^
― and what, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link
surprised no-one here has weighed in on 'chuck and larry' yet.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Thursday, 7 February 2008 20:59 (sixteen years ago) link
shakey mo, you interpret that scene utterly the opposite way i do
― remy bean, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:00 (sixteen years ago) link
that's the one we don't talk about (xp)
btw ethan I am not a lonely old man
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:01 (sixteen years ago) link
The full Wikipedia excerpt:
When he returns home to Omaha, his narrative to the orphan Ndugu questions what he has ever accomplished in his life. A pile of mail is waiting for him inside the empty house. Schmidt opens a surprise letter from Tanzania. It is written by a nun who cares for Ndugu, and she writes briefly but warmly that Ndugu is illiterate but enjoys Schmidt's letters and financial aid very much. With the financial aid, Ngudu was able to receive much needed medical care. The little boy's hand-drawn picture is enclosed, showing two smiling stick figures, one large and one small, holding hands in the blazing sun. Schmidt weeps with emotion and the film ends.
Clearly the emotion being expressed is revulsion and self-loathing at being empty and worthless, not being overwhelmed that he did actually have a massively positive impact on someone else's life.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
xpost shakey, you've fooled everyone on ilx
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:02 (sixteen years ago) link
um people cry for lots of reasons
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
some weirdos even get upset when people die
― and what, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:04 (sixteen years ago) link
like forgotten MST3K actors
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:05 (sixteen years ago) link
shed a lot of tears over Anna Nicole, eh ethan
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
i need to rent this movie again
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
"About Schmidt" or "Election"?
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
i'm thinking both. little double feature action.
― Mr. Que, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
i seem to remember about schmidt ending on a pretty low note.
jurassic park 3 was good.
The first and fourth seasons of the O.C. are pretty quality.
― Gukbe, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:09 (sixteen years ago) link
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-- Dr Morbius, Thursday, February 7, 2008 9:05 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
nice scale of human worth there
― s1ocki, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link
what in hell did Payne have to do with JP3, one draft of the script? and why would anyone know?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
he wrote it, it was pretty well publicized actually.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
dr morbius shut the fuck up
― and what, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:12 (sixteen years ago) link
it originally ended with a raptor alone in his room crying.
which is fine but what does this guy even mean by 'what happened to it?'?
i think brooks was lamenting the death of the 1950s middlebrow -- meaning mostly i think white men with ivy league degrees on network tv explaining classical music and modern art to the masses.
i don't think the distinction has disappeared, but it's changed. if anything the pop/postmodern interbreeding of high and low brow has left middlebrow kind of out there on its own, to be mocked on all those "lol npr" threads.
― tipsy mothra, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I find that imagining Ethan as Ed Helms' character from "The Office" interacting with Morbs as Neil Patrick Harris' character from "How I Met Your Mother" with Shakey lurking on the edges as Jon Cryer's character from "Two and a Half Men" makes these threads that much more entertaining.
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
I guess the fact that Nicholson's character is returning home after failing to connect with his daughter (or stop her wedding) and is still alone and miserable led me to interpret his crying at the letter as a sign of complete and total defeat (as opposed to weeping with joy or redemption).
x-post
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
who am i?? xp
― s1ocki, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:13 (sixteen years ago) link
why haven't you ppl who've read 'ethan's' posts for years had him killed, again?
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link
I thought Shakey was more the Jim Belushi character from According to Jim.
― Nicole, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
with Shakey lurking on the edges as Jon Cryer's character from "Two and a Half Men"
...
honestly I have no idea what this means
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link
Jim Belushi!?! okay now that's going TOO FAR
Honestly, s1ocki? Chandler Bing.
(don't hurt me)
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
Dan with the quality-sitcom refs going over our heads
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:16 (sixteen years ago) link
-- HI DERE, Thursday, February 7, 2008 9:16 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Link
you're such a monica.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Does that mean we're fucking???????????
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:17 (sixteen years ago) link
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
― s1ocki, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:18 (sixteen years ago) link
so what if he's a shit, alfred? the whole conceit of the movie is the redemption of a once-decent guy who's turned/been turned into an asshole by the unpleasant business of his life. why would you honestly begrudge his elevation at the end of the film? his return to humanity from asshole crotchetyhood?
he's redeemed by loving a boy named Ngudu via penpal letter and Kathy Bates teaching him the joys of obese sex?
My point is that the film says nothing new about alienation and the effect of bureaucracy on the soul. Nicholson's remark at the time that he found a way to play Schmidt by combing his hair a certain style illustrates just how shallow his/Payne's approach was.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link
ABORT ABORT ABORT ABORT ABORT ABORT
You are Mac from "Night Court". I am Michael from "Good Times".
― HI DERE, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
^^ actors always say shit like that. xp
― gff, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link
lololol. xp.
― s1ocki, Thursday, 7 February 2008 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link