MIA

i dont think 'lazy' or 'difficult' enters into this criticism -- i thought what i was saying was self-evident & am mildly perturbed to see so many ppl actually really think shes been doing something super fresh

i mean, if hes saying its OBVIOUS criticsm, ok, its obvious. i havent come up w/ some clever theory like hey limp bizkit is actually GOOD or whatever stands for a miccio challop these days but i still think im right so

aside from not particularly liking or respecting M.I.A. as an artist I don't know if there's a single thing you've said in this thread that I agree with

if u want to do a parallel with like Ma$e or someone, i could write a few paragraphs defending 'feel so good' & saying what dude brings to that beat that the original didnt have. so far the arguments ive heard in favor of whatever it was MIA did to this clash song arent real convincing to me. i dont feel like she brought much to it ! i dont understand why saying this is so hypocritical just because HI DERE doesnt get Ma$e but imo the onus is on MIA fans to defend her work, not on me to come up w/ some never-before-heard method of dissing it, particularly since anything other than what ive already said that this pt would be dishonest

debate is a bit too high strung for its own good but honestly itt people needlessly hardmanning deej for not liking mia's contribution to 'paper planes.' or am i missing something?

aside from not particularly liking or respecting M.I.A. as an artist I don't know if there's a single thing you've said in this thread that I agree with

― some dude, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

such as...?

this thread is kinda like a homoerotic south carolina frat party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZYN5ejbHf0&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ohuQhEwmSI&feature=related

important contributions to thread

debate is a bit too high strung for its own good but honestly itt people needlessly hardmanning deej for not liking mia's contribution to 'paper planes.' or am i missing something?

― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

^this statement is the equivalent of going "no, 7 + 3 = 4"

oh no someone disagrees about mia lets shit about it

fwiw jordan did you just post the equivalent of 'no you are' or did i miss something

that's what i'm sayin

xxp- not sure what you mean by that, and like i know this debate has now gotten to the point of everyone just nodding their heads in disapproval but somewhere along the line everything just became real dumb and furious

that's what i'm sayin

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

has 'no you are' ever given someone the higher ground

i'm just loling at the idea of deej being the victim of needless hardmanning

i dunno its pretty much me against the world in this thread

er 'itt'

who knew a board full of critics would be so defensive about MIA

lol at u

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i don't agree with deej insofar as i like 'paper planes' a lot, but my experience reading this thread was like, a lot of posters coming on way too strongly and furiously to a really inane argument about one dude's (uncontroversial imo) reasons for not liking a song. i don't mean to be the guy who shows up and says "lol what a dumb thread" more like "ok why is everyone's brow suddenly drenched in sweat?"

Jaime Martinez is dope.

http://www.neetrecordings.com/jaime/#/14

one dude's (uncontroversial imo) reasons for not liking a song

you realize that this isn't at all what the thread is about, right?

spinspin, you should post more images that everyone saw on blogs two weeks ago. do you have the new interpol promo photos?

y'all are still talking about M.I.A. when a new National record just came out???

see J0rdan, it worked! I got you to stop talking about stupid shit!

we stopped talking about uffie weeks ago

and the moral of the story is...holding grudges on message boards (about pop-stars no less) is nagl.

you're calling uffie a pop star?

dude...

group hug y'all!

constant repetition = the only thing wrong with anybody's position in this thread. otherwise, it's fine to say that mia's not bringing anything to her samples, just like it's fine to call that a hollow argument.

"I find the new Justin Bieber video more violent and more of an assault to my eyes and senses than what I've made."

Rolling CHALLENGING OPINIONS thread 2008

its really not fine to call it a 'hollow argument' unless u are going to put forward something worthwhile that she is doing

several such arguments have been made on this thread and you aren't interested in listening to them, though

its really not fine to call it a 'hollow argument' unless u are going to put forward something worthwhile that she is doing

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej)

to my mind, that's adding something. i guess to you, it isn't, but i don't think there's a right or wrong here. that's why it seems reasonable to call your argument hollow: it's predicated entirely on subjective appreciation, just like mine. unless you're really arguing that she's failing to do some necessary thing on a fundamental level. but i can't imagine what that might be, or how you'd define/measure it.

wait so both your arguments are hollow?

'cause its time to bring the fire down
throttle all this indiscretion
long enough to edify
and permanently fill this hollow

...like, just take the cadence. her voice isn't rhythmically duplicating anything in "straight to hell". not precisely, and it's not like she's mumbling, diffident, mostly buried in the mix (the way she is on "born free"). she's in control of "paper planes", making the song bend to her will, like she knows exactly where she's going and why she's hitting those beats. that interaction and command = "doing something". "born free" lacks that quality, and i think that's why i quickly tired of it. the additional noise pumps up the suicide sample, making it more aggressive and less hypnotic, but the overall vibe doesn't change much, and maya's mostly just tagging along, even on the chorus. imo.

i can understand someone not liking born free for the reasons you're explaining, but to me it's like "thank god someone took that suicide bassline and made it really loud and noisy and brought it up in the mix"

it just provides a pleasant, smoked-out ride through the verses, like driving around town on an early summer evening with nowhere to go.

its a song about robbing ppl at gunpoint iirc

yeah, but that's just silly talk. we know she's not really robbing anybody, like when we sing along and make finger-guns, we know we don't mean any harm. the song conveys no more real threat than "steal my sunshine". "straight to hell", on the other hand, is genuinely creepy, and genuinely political, even in its sonics.

i don't think i'm gonna get an okay out of you no matter what i say

i dunno i think what your posting is at least a better shot @ dialogue w/ what im saying than miccio trolling

i mean, i still disagree w/ your conclusion. i think a lighthearted we know shes not REALLY robbing song is kinda ... in poor taste? corny?

What I get out of if it's more about being in a shitty position and wishing you could take it out on the people holding you down by robbing some motherfuckers but realizing you aren't exactly M.O.P. or whatever.

ffs it's a fantasy of third-world power that has its roots in the assertion of real, actual third-world power -- global-south immigrants might not really be border-busting superagents, in the same way that MI5 dudes aren't really james bond, but they really do go from here to there to where they want to, in huge numbers, and they really are up to expropriating a whole lot of western money. granted, mostly via doing shitty jobs for shitty pay, but "paper planes" is a romanticized vision of economic reality. it's a great song, and it's smart, and catchy too. and as emblematic of real things in the world of its time as any song i can think of.

(and pretending that it's all about the sample is silly. i love the clash more than most ilxors, and that song, too. but "paper planes" finds new rhythmic and melodic possibilities in the sample. which is sort of the point of good sampling.)