Ridley Scott's Robin Hood - hate or anticipate here

a knight's tale good movie

My feeling is that if [Robin Hood] was alive today, he would be looking at the dissemination of media as the greatest injustice in the world.

It must suck to be trailed by photographers, but Crowe can eat as many bags of dicks as there are stars in the sky for this.

can deal with shit like Knight's Tale, just don't think anachronism is awesome in serious business movie

also, re: RH

SPOILER ALERT

can we please stop having women turn up in armour on a battlefied. maybe i'm only thinking of Miranda Otto in LOTR (I AM NO MAN), but really, we've just got to stop this shit.

Tons of historically documented accounts of hot babes turning up to medieval battles in disguise tho

also, Otto's character slaying the Witch King was in the book too so nyah

also "I AM NO MAN" was fucking awesome so why don't u let the womyn fight, dickcheese and go cower in the corner of battlefield while they save your ass!

also Robin Hood ain't even a real historical person so its not like it matters

also eff this movie it looks like ass

this was p tite

better than 'american gangster'

kinda eisenstein/griffith ish

does sean connery come in at the end to kiss the bride

xp you're going to have to come up with something better than "better than american gangster" if you want to make the posters. want to believe this is good, hoping for gladiator w/ bows and arrows basically.

what gladiator needed was a crowe/t-rex fight, not medieval weaponry

i didn't like 'gladiator' but this was better than 'gladiator'

<3 u cate blanchett

i think the sequel will own hard

latebloomer, take it to ANNOUNCEMENT - CALL FOR PITCHES - MAX AND LAMP FILM PRODUCTION COMPANY LLC

ok, i will watch this and probably enjoy it.

already am tired of hearing I DECREE HIM AN OUUUUTLLAWWWRRRRRR in commercials again and again and again

Love the defending of Eowyn from latebloomer, who says chivalry's dead.

clearly wanted to make a movie about political intrigue in medieval england. would have been kind of great without all the robin hood stuff. also f u guys marion and the kids on ponies turning up at the battled was next level stupid. also starting a petition to ban scott from ever attempting humour or levity in his films, coz it's just awkward now.

i agree the final battle was kind of suck

did they really have normandy-type landing craft in 1199? i don't think that kind of boat was even around in 1915

and the music was really meh. should have just used prokoviev or whatever.

though all these bitches complaining about the accents... what did 12th century brits sound like? iirc the nobs all spoke french anyway.

complaining about accents in this is dumb. i was desperate to like it because of the general historical accuracy (not robin, obv). the look and the feel were great. it was just the plot kept getting in the way. btw i don't think there will be a sequel. i can't see this performing well at the box office.

opening weekend aside, of course, and i don't even have much faith in that.

yeah i can't entirely see this being huge -- or huge enough. apparently it cost $230m or something crazy. but i don't understand what other people like.

or don't like. a lot of 'em liked "avatar". fewer liked "public enemies".

complicated story + general lack of fun = box office failure imo

did you guys know that "robin hood ballads" were one of the main species of british ballads for centuries? in fact they were the major way the story was spread and retained for much of that time.

i advise looking up some of these ballad texts, since this phenomenon is likely to be 100,000x as interesting as this film. which i might see, against my better judgement, this weekend.

also ALL people in historical movies act like 20th and 21st century folks to some extent. how could it be otherwise? and there are some pretty great films (sansho dayu anyone?) that effectively rewrite the ideology of past eras to suit the present (in a politically-correct fashion). but some do it in intelligent ways, and some are just dumb. i though kingdom of heaven was somewhere in-between.

Not seen this but it seems like yet another attempt to "reimagine" a traditional hero so he's "darker" and "more complex". I'm assuming he waterboards Guy of Gisbon.

no, no, not at all

it is kinda gruff, but not in that way

Really? The whole trailer/posters hint at that Dark Knight thing to me.

Also does the traditional "British creepy gay" appear as villain?

does this have the mumble mumble LOUD MUSIC mumble mumble that ruined gladiator? dude needs to enunciate.

it's totally not a "dark knight" thing. robin in this is uncomplicatedly heroic, and the dastardly french are uncomplicatedly evil.

there are multiple villains, but none of them read as gay, i don't think. the main one is kinda french. but then this is only 130 years after the norman conquest so.

there is a bit too much mumbling, yes (though not of course from cate), and the music is underwhelming.

yeah, not 'Dark Knight' in the character sense. it is an attempt to graft the myth onto actual historical events, however, and the two do not sit together very well.

" Cinematographer John Mathieson, using a palette of dank mud greens and grays, seems to be going for kitchen-sink medievalism, and in the process gives us the ugliest England imaginable, a country hardly worth saving. "

stephanie zacharek is an idiot with no aesthetic sense

if anything england looks too pretty

not with cate blanchett front and centre it doesn't

cate blanchett is gd hott

is she maid marian then? in a joan of arc-y kind of getup?

meh-d marian

^madness. Cate rules.

Cate is great, but the movie's a snore.

they should have cut the backstory, made it a bit less braveheart-y, and done a different ending... the first battle seemed pretty "realistic", but the beach invasion not so much.

still dug it tho. streets ahead of most big-budget action cinema.

cate blanchett is gd hott

Does she play the Morgan Freeman character from Prince of Thieves?

no. brian blessed's.

What a virtuoso!

people are really embarrassing themselves with this "tea party" meme.

ayo scott: "This Robin is no socialist bandit practicing freelance wealth redistribution, but rather a manly libertarian rebel striking out against high taxes and a big government scheme to trample the ancient liberties of property owners and provincial nobles. Don’t tread on him!"

now, "ancient liberties"? how long does he thing the barons of 12th century england had been running things, exactly? i get that he's being funny, but other people are being very serious about it indeed and kinda showing their ignorance.

Richard I is widely considered one of the worst kings of all time btw

it's because he wasted the half of his rule not spent in the crusades by interrupting other people's weddings and insisting on kissing the bride

okay this was way more rousing than it should have been. I think Matchstick Men was the only thing i've moderately liked in the last 18 years or so. This one had more of a classical feel than i was expecting, and only 2 scenes with those stupid blue filters, which he weirdly abandoned for most nighttime scenes. Also his bonecrunching 30fps close-up battle scenes, usually about the worst part of his films, were for the most part pretty short, or even montages, as if he wasn't even really interested in that. Brian Helgeland made the political intrigue relatively intriguing and a whole bunch of decisions (SPOILER - the king leading the battle charge, Kate and the kids showing up w/o fanfare) kept winning me over.

Didn't know the whole thing was an origin story, thought it would be like Batman Begins with like half origin story, half in-character, so i started getting pissed for a little while that they were just fucking around with the title like Alice in Wonderland, also King John's transformation at the very end was pretty rushed and really sold his arc short. Otherwise i think i'm actually psyched for a sequel?

bonecrunching 30fps close-up battle scenes

yeah nobody has used those interestingly, even hurt locker (which i think was more like 3,000fps) used them in a way that felt clichéd to me.

Just saw this tonight and I was impressed. Story was engaging, action was tight and brutal without going for gore-porn, loved the decision to make it an origin story...and there were no corny notes to it. Nothing felt hamfisted, or overblown. Would see it again for sure. Loved Cate as Marion, loved the chemistry with her & Rusty. Wouldve liked more abt the lost boys...and yeah, Johns arc was a bit too swift at the end there.

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/05/robin_hood_script_russell_crow.html

this is good reporting

not sure t-stoppz earned his dough tbqh

The first version sounds interesting.

that role reversal thing is a well-worn idea surely? not that i can think of any examples right now.

Scott told a reporter that the original premise was “fucking ridiculous” and that “you’d end up spending 80% of the publicity budget explaining why it was Nottingham and not just Robin Hood.”

what a disaster for the publicity budget.

Here's an idea - a modern day 'Nottingham' with Robin Hood based on this fellow (when he gets out of prison).

Wasn't into it at all. Blanchett was good, the French castle siege was great, the production design and cinematography were obviously great, other than that it felt padded, talky and slow. Crowe didn't engage me in the slightest, and what the hell was his accent supposed to be? It switched between RP, Irish and, mysteriously, Scouse. And, fucking hell, it's a Robin Hood film, I want him to fire more than three arrows!

well to be fair 2 of those 3 arrows were in the last couple minutes of the film where he actually becomes Robin Hood. And this was still miles better than American Gangster or the Ornaldo Bloomps Crusades movie.

though all these bitches complaining about the accents... what did 12th century brits sound like? iirc the nobs all spoke french anyway.

Wouldn't bother me if Russel stuck to one accent! Randomly flipping between approximations of various regional accents and then throwing in a Father to a Murdered Son growl every now and then is just distracting.

this was by no means as bad as i was fearing. mix of completely ridic melodramatic plotting with quite variegated style (typical lightly-psuedo-documentary/slow-mo/zoom-heavy craziness for action scenes, wide framings and crane shots for "lyrical"/emotional interludes, etc.) that makes it totally middle-of-the-road but in an intelligent-enough way.

i only noticed crowe's fluctuating accents two or three times.

also where i have i seen the french would-be queen before? she looked familiar.

by the way i think once you accept the melodramatic contrivances (e.g. you'd think britain had like 20 people in it the way people keep running into each other/knowing each other's fathers/etc.) it's plenty enjoyable. i think some of the critics were distracted by the film's really pathetic attempts to make this thing gritty and/or "meaningful" and thus judged it by a standard that doesn't fairly apply. scott and crowe are partly to blame for that. they both sound like assholes based on all the press btw.

in other words, three solid stars.

French queen = Lea Seydoux. I just imdb'd her, she was one of the cute LaPadite sisters in the Inglourious Basterds opening.

aha! i KNEW it.