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― this skit is ba-na-nas (onimo), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
dang, just listened 2 born free for the 1st time, its fuckin awesome
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:14 (thirteen years ago) link
ok now igi
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:21 (thirteen years ago) link
love born free in the same way that deej hates paper planes. it's cool entirely because of the suicide riff and doesn't add anything to it. other than some xtrmntr-style noise acceleration that only trades beauty for obviousness. and the "PEW!" noise in the beginning. love that.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:29 (thirteen years ago) link
okay, i lied. i don't "love" born free. i only kind of almost like it. for a minute or two. then it makes me want to hear ghost rider.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 20:38 (thirteen years ago) link
there's a much, much better version of XXXOhere.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 22:53 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm going to mention again that deej is using the same half-assed criticisms ("amusical" "dependent on a catchy sample for a hit") to dismiss MIA that have been used against hip-hop artists since the genre was born (though yes, he's consistent about only using the half-assed criticisms when he doesn't like the artist). I'm mentioning it because I want to know what he doesn't know.
― da croupier, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:43 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark
appropriate -- lazy criticism for a lazy artist. it doesnt matter that morons have criticized rap for the same thing, that doesnt invalidate its use as criticism! and im sorry but "when he doesnt like the artist" is the basis for like all criticism ever?? i mean, i dont have anything against MIA as a *person* if thats what yr implying. but i think her music is wack & im explaining why i think so, which is the basis for well all criticism
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:04 (thirteen years ago) link
I think more people have been arguing that she quoted "Rump Shaker" than that quoting "Rump Shaker" made it a hit. but please feel free to continue railing against a strawman that doesn't even bolster your argument.
― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:20 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark
hey condescending moderator #1 if someone actually argues a point in a thread it no longer becomes a 'strawman'
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:05 (thirteen years ago) link
someone once said Run DMC only had a hit because they sampled aerosmith, ergo its impossible to credit bowie/queen with helping give vanilla ice a hit!!
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:06 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm pretty confident we all agree that there's a difference between a song that samples another song and a mash-up, right? To my ears, "Paper Planes" always sounded more like a mash-up a la "Piracy Funds Terrorism" than a sample, but since I love the Clash song mightily, the more I hear it the happier I am. In fact, I'm pretty able to tune MIA right out whenever I hear it, which is and has always been virtually nil, surprisingly, for an alleged hit.
FWIW, the Suicide in "Born Free" sounds more like a sample in a song and not a mash-up, which doesn't make it better or worse but makes the bit's inclusion less overtly aggressive (for lack of a better word).
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:12 (thirteen years ago) link
deej, it is kind of amazing to me that you make money with words considering that you can't read.
― Cheese? In MY coffee? (It's more likely than you think!) (HI DERE), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:15 (thirteen years ago) link
hey, thanks for linking to that xxxo mix, spinspun. can't say i like it any better than the official version (?), but it's interesting. what it reveals more than anything is that the vocal should be a hit. just needs a track that works with it and adds something to it (to change the argument up a little). maybe some remixer will hit the sweet spot.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:22 (thirteen years ago) link
appropriate -- lazy criticism for a lazy artist.
wonderful last line of defense here.
― some dude, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:41 (thirteen years ago) link
was a joke. but um correct me if im wrong but dont you agree with me??
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:42 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont think 'lazy' or 'difficult' enters into this criticism -- i thought what i was saying was self-evident & am mildly perturbed to see so many ppl actually really think shes been doing something super fresh
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:43 (thirteen years ago) link
i mean, if hes saying its OBVIOUS criticsm, ok, its obvious. i havent come up w/ some clever theory like hey limp bizkit is actually GOOD or whatever stands for a miccio challop these days but i still think im right so
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:44 (thirteen years ago) link
aside from not particularly liking or respecting M.I.A. as an artist I don't know if there's a single thing you've said in this thread that I agree with
― some dude, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:47 (thirteen years ago) link
if u want to do a parallel with like Ma$e or someone, i could write a few paragraphs defending 'feel so good' & saying what dude brings to that beat that the original didnt have. so far the arguments ive heard in favor of whatever it was MIA did to this clash song arent real convincing to me. i dont feel like she brought much to it ! i dont understand why saying this is so hypocritical just because HI DERE doesnt get Ma$e but imo the onus is on MIA fans to defend her work, not on me to come up w/ some never-before-heard method of dissing it, particularly since anything other than what ive already said that this pt would be dishonest
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
debate is a bit too high strung for its own good but honestly itt people needlessly hardmanning deej for not liking mia's contribution to 'paper planes.' or am i missing something?
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:49 (thirteen years ago) link
― some dude, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
such as...?
this thread is kinda like a homoerotic south carolina frat party:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZYN5ejbHf0&feature=related
― Brio, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:52 (thirteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ohuQhEwmSI&feature=related
― Brio, Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
important contributions to thread
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:53 (thirteen years ago) link
― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark
^this statement is the equivalent of going "no, 7 + 3 = 4"
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:55 (thirteen years ago) link
oh no someone disagrees about mia lets shit about it
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 01:57 (thirteen years ago) link
fwiw jordan did you just post the equivalent of 'no you are' or did i miss something
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:00 (thirteen years ago) link
that's what i'm sayin
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:01 (thirteen years ago) link
xxp- not sure what you mean by that, and like i know this debate has now gotten to the point of everyone just nodding their heads in disapproval but somewhere along the line everything just became real dumb and furious
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:03 (thirteen years ago) link
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark
has 'no you are' ever given someone the higher ground
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
i'm just loling at the idea of deej being the victim of needless hardmanning
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:05 (thirteen years ago) link
i dunno its pretty much me against the world in this thread
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:09 (thirteen years ago) link
er 'itt'
who knew a board full of critics would be so defensive about MIA
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
lol at u
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://old.firstup.se/mia_am4.gif
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:13 (thirteen years ago) link
http://old.firstup.se/mia_am2.gif
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:15 (thirteen years ago) link
i don't agree with deej insofar as i like 'paper planes' a lot, but my experience reading this thread was like, a lot of posters coming on way too strongly and furiously to a really inane argument about one dude's (uncontroversial imo) reasons for not liking a song. i don't mean to be the guy who shows up and says "lol what a dumb thread" more like "ok why is everyone's brow suddenly drenched in sweat?"
― samosa gibreel, Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
Jaime Martinez is dope.
http://www.neetrecordings.com/jaime/#/14
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:18 (thirteen years ago) link
one dude's (uncontroversial imo) reasons for not liking a song
you realize that this isn't at all what the thread is about, right?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:19 (thirteen years ago) link
spinspin, you should post more images that everyone saw on blogs two weeks ago. do you have the new interpol promo photos?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
y'all are still talking about M.I.A. when a new National record just came out???
― my baby's got the bans (ksh), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:20 (thirteen years ago) link
see J0rdan, it worked! I got you to stop talking about stupid shit!
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:21 (thirteen years ago) link
we stopped talking about uffie weeks ago
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:23 (thirteen years ago) link
and the moral of the story is...holding grudges on message boards (about pop-stars no less) is nagl.
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:26 (thirteen years ago) link
you're calling uffie a pop star?
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
dude...
― Blancminaj (Spinspin Sugah), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:27 (thirteen years ago) link
group hug y'all!
― my baby's got the bans (ksh), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:35 (thirteen years ago) link
constant repetition = the only thing wrong with anybody's position in this thread. otherwise, it's fine to say that mia's not bringing anything to her samples, just like it's fine to call that a hollow argument.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:41 (thirteen years ago) link
"I find the new Justin Bieber video more violent and more of an assault to my eyes and senses than what I've made."
Rolling CHALLENGING OPINIONS thread 2008
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link
its really not fine to call it a 'hollow argument' unless u are going to put forward something worthwhile that she is doing
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Thursday, 13 May 2010 02:43 (thirteen years ago) link