MIA

not even kidding actually - they're both totally deliberate references

"Win VIP tickets + helicopter ride"! With Brandon Flowers?

Maybe it's an offer to help pitch him out.

You guys, the Clash or Rump Shaker sampling isn't what made it a hit, it was the gunshot & cash register samples! OBVIOUSLY!!!

We should all be trying to figure out which Dirty Harry movie they're taken from.

lol @ how boring u all are. when u win the argument will u really feel more fulfilled?

like its not even an argument its just

person1:opinion
person2:opinion
person1:u mad!
person2:u mad and u strawmanning me!

(repead AD FUCKING NAUSEUM)

an argument is more than just restating a fucking opinion over and over again.

Can't stop won't stop:

http://pitchfork.com/news/38777-echo-chamber-mia-vs-justin-bieber/

"I find the new Justin Bieber video more violent and more of an assault to my eyes and senses than what I've made."

an argument is more than just restating a fucking opinion over and over again.

― plax (ico), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

u mad

Really the only thing more annoying than people who won't drop a stupid argument are people who proclaim loftily how stupid everyone participating in the argument is.

and I should know because I do it all the time

i went out into the night, i want out to pick a fight with anyone

Really the only thing more annoying than people who won't drop a stupid argument are people who proclaim loftily how stupid everyone participating in the argument is.

― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:48 PM (1 minute ago)

not that they wont drop it, but that there is no difference in what guys are posting like 200 posts l8r. shit is like a beckett play including the fucking cosmic angst

ha well yes, I will def concede that

ahaha i thought all these posts would be quality mockery of the album title before i clicked :(

that got condensed to like 3 "lol" posts

I'm not surprised at the name, since she named her previous albums after her mom and dad, but why the hell did she spell it in 1337?

spelling it like that : wit :: "born free" video : political activism

this:this::that:that

^ this always confuses me and makes me spend too long evaluating v short posts

idgi

idgi:tldr::wtf:meh

dang, just listened 2 born free for the 1st time, its fuckin awesome

ok now igi

love born free in the same way that deej hates paper planes. it's cool entirely because of the suicide riff and doesn't add anything to it. other than some xtrmntr-style noise acceleration that only trades beauty for obviousness. and the "PEW!" noise in the beginning. love that.

okay, i lied. i don't "love" born free. i only kind of almost like it. for a minute or two. then it makes me want to hear ghost rider.

there's a much, much better version of XXXOhere.

i'm going to mention again that deej is using the same half-assed criticisms ("amusical" "dependent on a catchy sample for a hit") to dismiss MIA that have been used against hip-hop artists since the genre was born (though yes, he's consistent about only using the half-assed criticisms when he doesn't like the artist). I'm mentioning it because I want to know what he doesn't know.

― da croupier, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:43 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

appropriate -- lazy criticism for a lazy artist. it doesnt matter that morons have criticized rap for the same thing, that doesnt invalidate its use as criticism! and im sorry but "when he doesnt like the artist" is the basis for like all criticism ever?? i mean, i dont have anything against MIA as a *person* if thats what yr implying. but i think her music is wack & im explaining why i think so, which is the basis for well all criticism

I think more people have been arguing that she quoted "Rump Shaker" than that quoting "Rump Shaker" made it a hit. but please feel free to continue railing against a strawman that doesn't even bolster your argument.

― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:20 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

hey condescending moderator #1 if someone actually argues a point in a thread it no longer becomes a 'strawman'

someone once said Run DMC only had a hit because they sampled aerosmith, ergo its impossible to credit bowie/queen with helping give vanilla ice a hit!!

I'm pretty confident we all agree that there's a difference between a song that samples another song and a mash-up, right? To my ears, "Paper Planes" always sounded more like a mash-up a la "Piracy Funds Terrorism" than a sample, but since I love the Clash song mightily, the more I hear it the happier I am. In fact, I'm pretty able to tune MIA right out whenever I hear it, which is and has always been virtually nil, surprisingly, for an alleged hit.

FWIW, the Suicide in "Born Free" sounds more like a sample in a song and not a mash-up, which doesn't make it better or worse but makes the bit's inclusion less overtly aggressive (for lack of a better word).

deej, it is kind of amazing to me that you make money with words considering that you can't read.

hey, thanks for linking to that xxxo mix, spinspun. can't say i like it any better than the official version (?), but it's interesting. what it reveals more than anything is that the vocal should be a hit. just needs a track that works with it and adds something to it (to change the argument up a little). maybe some remixer will hit the sweet spot.

appropriate -- lazy criticism for a lazy artist.

wonderful last line of defense here.

was a joke. but um correct me if im wrong but dont you agree with me??

i dont think 'lazy' or 'difficult' enters into this criticism -- i thought what i was saying was self-evident & am mildly perturbed to see so many ppl actually really think shes been doing something super fresh

i mean, if hes saying its OBVIOUS criticsm, ok, its obvious. i havent come up w/ some clever theory like hey limp bizkit is actually GOOD or whatever stands for a miccio challop these days but i still think im right so

aside from not particularly liking or respecting M.I.A. as an artist I don't know if there's a single thing you've said in this thread that I agree with

if u want to do a parallel with like Ma$e or someone, i could write a few paragraphs defending 'feel so good' & saying what dude brings to that beat that the original didnt have. so far the arguments ive heard in favor of whatever it was MIA did to this clash song arent real convincing to me. i dont feel like she brought much to it ! i dont understand why saying this is so hypocritical just because HI DERE doesnt get Ma$e but imo the onus is on MIA fans to defend her work, not on me to come up w/ some never-before-heard method of dissing it, particularly since anything other than what ive already said that this pt would be dishonest

debate is a bit too high strung for its own good but honestly itt people needlessly hardmanning deej for not liking mia's contribution to 'paper planes.' or am i missing something?

aside from not particularly liking or respecting M.I.A. as an artist I don't know if there's a single thing you've said in this thread that I agree with

― some dude, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:47 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

such as...?

this thread is kinda like a homoerotic south carolina frat party:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZYN5ejbHf0&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ohuQhEwmSI&feature=related

important contributions to thread

debate is a bit too high strung for its own good but honestly itt people needlessly hardmanning deej for not liking mia's contribution to 'paper planes.' or am i missing something?

― samosa gibreel, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:49 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

^this statement is the equivalent of going "no, 7 + 3 = 4"

oh no someone disagrees about mia lets shit about it

fwiw jordan did you just post the equivalent of 'no you are' or did i miss something

that's what i'm sayin

xxp- not sure what you mean by that, and like i know this debate has now gotten to the point of everyone just nodding their heads in disapproval but somewhere along the line everything just became real dumb and furious

that's what i'm sayin

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

has 'no you are' ever given someone the higher ground

i'm just loling at the idea of deej being the victim of needless hardmanning

i dunno its pretty much me against the world in this thread