MIA

I think more people have been arguing that she quoted "Rump Shaker" than that quoting "Rump Shaker" made it a hit. but please feel free to continue railing against a strawman that doesn't even bolster your argument.

I'm just saying that when she quoted Rump Shaker, it was a metaphor.

i'm going to mention again that deej is using the same half-assed criticisms ("amusical" "dependent on a catchy sample for a hit") to dismiss MIA that have been used against hip-hop artists since the genre was born (though yes, he's consistent about only using the half-assed criticisms when he doesn't like the artist). I'm mentioning it because I want to know what he doesn't know.

when you repeat the lazy criticisms of your genre of choice, at the very least it means you need to try harder.

This morning's NME:

http://www.nme.com/layout/magImage.php

Time to work on that false identity, deej.

the clash song wasn't suffering from a lack of exposure. and it's never been anything close to a US hit - not in its day, and not anytime since. it's not like a "straight to hell" jack was a guaranteed smash for anyone clever enough to pull it. the MIA song succeeds not simply because it contains the sample, but because it does something with it, adds something to it, makes it pop. and though this is only my opinion, i think the chorus is a huge part of that. the verse is catchy and gets your head nodding, but the chorus is memorable, funny and fun to sing along with. in my mind, there's no single "it's popular because of THIS" component to the song. like all good pop, it's recombinant. the sample is catchy, but so's the chorus, and maya's voice over the beats & sample creates a vastly different effect than joe strummer's.

hold the fuck on

just let's pause here for a second

and collect our thoughts

BRANDON FLOWERS GAVE AN INTERVIEW BY HIMSELF NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I am pretty sure Lex's face will melt if we turn this into a Killers/Brandon Flowers thread

is that really his name?

please god let me win the helicopter ride

I assume the bit about the new Blur album is a threat.

gotta say, if those NME headlines can't sell a music paper, what could

how come nobody's talking about the suicide sample in "born free"?
or did you already? sorry, i can't wade through this whole thread, the rumpshaker arguments give me a headache

how come nobody's talking about the suicide sample in "born free"?

'paper planes' is a jam and 'born free' isn't

we did already, a bit
xp

also "Born Free" is totally a jam

and this is her new Rumpshaker:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvaQKtVQzk4

not even kidding actually - they're both totally deliberate references

"Win VIP tickets + helicopter ride"! With Brandon Flowers?

Maybe it's an offer to help pitch him out.

You guys, the Clash or Rump Shaker sampling isn't what made it a hit, it was the gunshot & cash register samples! OBVIOUSLY!!!

We should all be trying to figure out which Dirty Harry movie they're taken from.

lol @ how boring u all are. when u win the argument will u really feel more fulfilled?

like its not even an argument its just

person1:opinion
person2:opinion
person1:u mad!
person2:u mad and u strawmanning me!

(repead AD FUCKING NAUSEUM)

an argument is more than just restating a fucking opinion over and over again.

Can't stop won't stop:

http://pitchfork.com/news/38777-echo-chamber-mia-vs-justin-bieber/

"I find the new Justin Bieber video more violent and more of an assault to my eyes and senses than what I've made."

an argument is more than just restating a fucking opinion over and over again.

― plax (ico), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:43 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

u mad

Really the only thing more annoying than people who won't drop a stupid argument are people who proclaim loftily how stupid everyone participating in the argument is.

and I should know because I do it all the time

i went out into the night, i want out to pick a fight with anyone

Really the only thing more annoying than people who won't drop a stupid argument are people who proclaim loftily how stupid everyone participating in the argument is.

― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 4:48 PM (1 minute ago)

not that they wont drop it, but that there is no difference in what guys are posting like 200 posts l8r. shit is like a beckett play including the fucking cosmic angst

ha well yes, I will def concede that

ahaha i thought all these posts would be quality mockery of the album title before i clicked :(

that got condensed to like 3 "lol" posts

I'm not surprised at the name, since she named her previous albums after her mom and dad, but why the hell did she spell it in 1337?

spelling it like that : wit :: "born free" video : political activism

this:this::that:that

^ this always confuses me and makes me spend too long evaluating v short posts

idgi

idgi:tldr::wtf:meh

dang, just listened 2 born free for the 1st time, its fuckin awesome

ok now igi

love born free in the same way that deej hates paper planes. it's cool entirely because of the suicide riff and doesn't add anything to it. other than some xtrmntr-style noise acceleration that only trades beauty for obviousness. and the "PEW!" noise in the beginning. love that.

okay, i lied. i don't "love" born free. i only kind of almost like it. for a minute or two. then it makes me want to hear ghost rider.

there's a much, much better version of XXXOhere.

i'm going to mention again that deej is using the same half-assed criticisms ("amusical" "dependent on a catchy sample for a hit") to dismiss MIA that have been used against hip-hop artists since the genre was born (though yes, he's consistent about only using the half-assed criticisms when he doesn't like the artist). I'm mentioning it because I want to know what he doesn't know.

― da croupier, Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:43 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

appropriate -- lazy criticism for a lazy artist. it doesnt matter that morons have criticized rap for the same thing, that doesnt invalidate its use as criticism! and im sorry but "when he doesnt like the artist" is the basis for like all criticism ever?? i mean, i dont have anything against MIA as a *person* if thats what yr implying. but i think her music is wack & im explaining why i think so, which is the basis for well all criticism

I think more people have been arguing that she quoted "Rump Shaker" than that quoting "Rump Shaker" made it a hit. but please feel free to continue railing against a strawman that doesn't even bolster your argument.

― it means "EMOTIONAL"! (HI DERE), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:20 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark

hey condescending moderator #1 if someone actually argues a point in a thread it no longer becomes a 'strawman'

someone once said Run DMC only had a hit because they sampled aerosmith, ergo its impossible to credit bowie/queen with helping give vanilla ice a hit!!

I'm pretty confident we all agree that there's a difference between a song that samples another song and a mash-up, right? To my ears, "Paper Planes" always sounded more like a mash-up a la "Piracy Funds Terrorism" than a sample, but since I love the Clash song mightily, the more I hear it the happier I am. In fact, I'm pretty able to tune MIA right out whenever I hear it, which is and has always been virtually nil, surprisingly, for an alleged hit.

FWIW, the Suicide in "Born Free" sounds more like a sample in a song and not a mash-up, which doesn't make it better or worse but makes the bit's inclusion less overtly aggressive (for lack of a better word).