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So "carrying it around normal texting phone etc use" is how many hours, is I think what I meant by that question.

I suspect that the answer is that nobody knows until the actual phones ship out to reviewers.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, why can't mac.com push out IMAP to this?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

:/ oh well. 5hrs doesn't really seem like much from the party line standards that most of these babies tout but I don't pay that much attention to them to say 100% for sure.

― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link

How long should by year and a half old ipod nano be lasting with battery play? I think it's only lasting about 4 hours before the red light comes on; is that right?

Also: I can't turn it off anymore. When I hit the top button and play at the same time, and then release, it comes back on. Sometimes I can finesse it to stay off, but if I then try and switch to lock mode, it comes back to life.

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i know blackberries have 3 hour talk times...

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I've just watched the presentations at Apple. It seriously looks brilliant. It is to my Nokia what the iPod was to a 32mb flash MP3 player.

Not sure about the crazy flash-up keyboard, but.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:41 (seventeen years ago) link

Jesus how do you people deal with your "smart phones" and their no batteries.

― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

5h talk time seems not too shabby, judging from a quick google. xpost.

― ledge (ledge), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I had no idea that blackberries had such limited talk time, the AGES ago I had one almost foisted on me, it had a much longer battery life but OTOH it probably had about 1/48th of the features back then. I didn't realize batteries hadn't improved with the rest of the item, sorry!

― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:44 (seventeen years ago) link

Also, why can't mac.com push out IMAP to this?

it doesn't?

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

they made me listen to u2 AND coldply wtf

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

.mac IMAP def doesnt push--

but why are they touting yahoo mail as something awesome?

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

but now the iphone must also gain a 6mega pixel camera within it as well!

― Latham Green (mike), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

2's not too shabby, but it'll be shit all the same. I don't know if there's a use for huge mp cameras on phones when the lenses are always going to be dreck. I use this 3mp phone-cam a lot less than the old VGA one.

― stet (stet), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:51 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah where the camera/video camera @???

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:52 (seventeen years ago) link

They didn't mention the lens. It would be great if it was surprisingly good all the same.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

but why are they touting yahoo mail as something awesome?

because a lot of people use it!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

Quote from BBC News story about the Keynote.

"In a keynote speech, attended by more than 2,000 people, Mr Jobs spent the first 10 minutes bigging up the move to Intel chips."

"Bigging up" what kind of fucking language is that? I thought the BBC was a serious news website, not a drum and bass chatroom.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6246063.stm

― Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay seriously people are excited about this thing?

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

so I have a video ipod, which i feel no need to change, and a blackberry for work that i don't want to use as a phone. but i do need a new phone because my mesozoic one is falling apart. i have no particular desire to switch from verizon and am hesitant about going off analog (though I'll likely do that anyway). why do i want to spend the money for this?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:59 (seventeen years ago) link

You don't.

― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

because you are a lawyer

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link

hesitant about going off analog (though I'll likely do that anyway).

Yea, because they add a surcharge. PS - Fuck off trolly

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:02 (seventeen years ago) link

New Airport base station can support a USB hard drive too.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm wondering if the itv, can, like everyone else is wondering, play divx (fuck a time- and quality-consuming transcode!!), and whether i can chain another HD to it so i can have true mega-media-library awesomeness.

and do you also need a new base station to use it if you have a 802.11n card in your mac??

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

the iTV looks like a shit product, even if it was $100. I'd rather invest in the new Sling product.

The iPhone looks awesome, especially if Internet service is robust. But I really don't trust Cingular to get that part of the equation right.

― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Apple TV only streaming via iTunes makes it a big disappointment for me. Hopefully, once 802.11n is up and running, a third party will make a product that will allow me to stream whatever app's (ie. VLC for me) output to my TV.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

the hard drive aspect of the airport is fantastic. this is exactly what i have been waiting for. now i can attach my external itunes hard drive and stream w/ my laptop. holla.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

That is actually completely, completely awesome and makes new airport 100% worth buying.

― AllyzayEisenschefterBDawkinsFlyingSquirrelRomoCrying.jpg (allyzay), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

all I'd want the iTV for is to have a decent GUI for the music and photo features. It can't hold a candle to Tivo for the TV part, and unless you can hook up a RAID type of situation then the movie watching aspect is subpar as well.

But I must admit that paying $300 for a good GUI to run music off my computer is better than my Slimserver.

xpost:
Hi Yancey.

― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Did people get this working for Airport Express AirTunes?

now i can attach my external itunes hard drive and stream w/ my laptop. holla.

I'd be more psyched if this worked with all usb devices ala wireless usb.

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:08 (seventeen years ago) link

hey don!

see i really dig the apple tv. i want a simple media center to control these things -- agreed on lameness of unsupported formats but i'm assuming that won't last long -- and most of the things out there already (squeezebox, sonos, kalaidescope, etc) are prohibitively expensive. i haven't looked into the slingshot yet and i know everyone loves it so i should certainly check it out. but i dunno, think about this as simply a hub with a simple ui, i'm totally down.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:10 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah i like the idea--i want a simple media hub for all my music & movies so i don't have to plug in my ipod to my stereo all the time (and it's running out of space), nor burn discs of divxes to play in my divx-friendly dvd player. i want it all there with one remote. and if appletv can make it happen w/o being too proprietary i'm down. but do i need a NEW airport? that's not so hot.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

can slingbox do that all for me?

honestly the wireless isn't such a big deal. esp if i can plug in an external hd. i do not need to stream. although being able to shoot stuff to the itv would be pretty convenient.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm telling myself my Squeezebox is way cooler still, even though it doesn't do TV. It's still got cool features iTV doesn't right? Like streaming internet radio to my stereo, like having a great remote control, like not needing to turn on my TV...

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

i was wondering if you needed the new airport, too. but fortunately (sorta) for me, my cheapo belkin wireless piece of plastic just crapped out, so i'm in the market for one anyway (almost bought an airtunes last week!).

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:13 (seventeen years ago) link

we got a demo sonos in the office and i have to say it is tight as fuck -- that remote! -- but it costs something like $2k. and then there's kalaidescape which is pretty much the coolest fucking thing ever but their website doesn't even list a price = sure sign that i will never, ever be able to own it.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

the more I think about it, the more I want an iTV to solve a long standing issue with my wife vis a vis the GUI on my Squeezebox. And having iPhoto hooked up to the big tv would be a bonus. But I'd probably want to see how robust iTV works, what kind of delay is inherent in the menu refresh and such.

You can get a Squeezebox for around $200 on eBay and I've had mine for three years. But the GUI is 1980s, and for $100 more it would be worth going the iTV route. You can stream internet radio to iTunes...not every service, but plenty enough and I'm sure if you can access it from iTunes, you'll be able to push it through iTV because it's all Quicktime based.

― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link

Yea, just add the stream to a playlist

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i also just appreciate that apple DIDN'T TOTALLY FUCK UP the itv like they normally do in that it has hdmi, component and digital optical outs -- apple has always been backwards with its ports/connections and i was convinced that this would be the same. no 1080i (not to mention 1080p) kinda sucks, but i assume that has to do with the amount of data that would need to be streamed.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link

also considering the absolute bullshit catalogue available for blu-ray and hd-dvd, the door is certainly open to both apple and microsoft (the 360 live marketplace really is remarkably smooth even if the pricing and time limitations blow) to own hd content, along with the cable systems. it all depends on download times for movies, i guess.

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i just bought a new wireless router :(

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:24 (seventeen years ago) link

well, I think Apple is hedging their bets that it will be a couple of years before you even see 1080 broadcasts anyway. Right now, you can only get that resolution from a hi def camcorder, and I highly doubt that people are going to be streaming 1080 any time soon.

― don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:26 (seventeen years ago) link

The fact that they're pushing nonstandard push IMAP while chronically never supporting nice standard IMAP IDLE is annoying. That plus short battery life plus no keyboard means I'll be a Treo person for a while more. (My Treo battery lasts 3 days on average; then I swap it with a charged fresh one. Any word on whether this thing's battery is removable?)

(Hi Yancey: saw you + lady on Rivington last night)

― Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:28 (seventeen years ago) link

Mac.com doesn't do idle

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:51 (seventeen years ago) link

oh yeah, forgot about that, as I'm listening to WFMU via iTunes right now!

So what else? Please make me feel good about my squeezebox! You could say it has better audio outs, but like i could tell the difference with my hearing damage?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Mac.com doesn't do idle

Yeah, and neither does Mail.app, but decent IMAP servers and clients do, and especially with mobile devices it makes them much more useful.

― Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:55 (seventeen years ago) link

http://fivepoundsflax.blogspot.com/2006/11/imap-idle-plugin-for-mailapp-version.html

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 20:58 (seventeen years ago) link

too bad i already have a 2-year contract with cingular that doesnt expire until 2008

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link

they are probably willing to sign you to another contract

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 21:01 (seventeen years ago) link

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