MIA

... Pretty much! It's almost as bad as being like "I had no idea that 'My anaconda don't want none unless you got buns, hon!' was a quote."

'My BLAOW BLAOW don't want BLAOW you got CLICK, CHA-CHING!'

maybe it's a sheryl crow reference???

LOL

XXXO is better than that piece of shit that was the first leak. But not much better?

how on earth is the rump shaker reference 'obscure'? that song was fairly big, wasn't it? i don't know nearly as much about music as most of you and certainly did not listen to the radio at that time but i could tell where the chorus was from on first listen -- maybe i didn't remember the name of the artist, but it's clearly recognizable.

― teledyldonix, Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:16 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

it didn't even chart in the UK. not that big a thing.

"hit that" prompted tom br3ihan to make the specific claim in 2007 that "'Rump Shaker' seems to have stuck around in the mass-culture worldmind way more than just about any other random hit I can think of from that era"

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/statusainthood/archives/2007/05/on_the_continui.php

but if u look his evidence is extremely scant and the article seems a face-saving exercise following an incident where he, dude writing about rap for the village voice, appeared to demonstrate that he had not heard Nations of Millions and caught flack around the rap internetz.

"seems to have stuck around in the mass-culture worldmind way more than just about any other random hit I can think of from that era" is always going to be a dumb statement, no matter what its subject. these things always depend on whom you ask. and so maybe just maybe it might be true in america for some people. but where mia grew up, it just isn't true, at all, ever.

ne way what are we even talking about? omg she took an instrumental sample and adapted a vocal hook? truly unprecedented behaviour from a recording artiste.

ftr I did expressly say I was tsking the US posters

DONT TSK ME!!

no diggity was better anyway

taking them to tsk

nothing is better than no diggity

no diggity is better. but it's true that "rump shaker" reached "u can't touch this" levels of ubiquity in socal in the early 90s. i heard that song a bazillion times in middle school. without even trying to hear it.

No Diggity = forever awesome.

Also, if you go to http://neetrecordings.com/blog/ the version of XXXO streaming is apparently the original Blaqstarr produced one. The version released as a single on iTunes etc. has production from Blaqstarr and Rusko and sounds pretty different. Not sure how I feel about the solo Blaqstarr take on it, but you can't find it anywhere else.

haha my first reaction is "oh it's her 'Hollaback Girl'"

personally i was just shooting the breeze abt rump shaker and bringing up three year old rap writer beefs. i don't like XXXO so i don't have much else to talk about.

the deej position on "paper planes" is oddly common & always seems so hilarious to me, like ppl don't like an artist but then having a hit seems to validate the artist for some reason so they have to undermine the validation in some way. as if disliking the artist isn't enough, you have to show that even a hit record doesn't demonstrate any importance "oh it's just the clash". from a rap writer it's esp. odd.

one more thing u could say about the "rump shaker" ref in "paper planes" is that it probably attracted kanye, timbaland, t.i. & jay-z, since rap is pretty sensitive to iterations and refs like that. "culture worldmind" is a bad phrase but something like that obviously exists in hip hop. so it's kind of interesting to have something specific, more than merely a chick saying swagger in a cadence that seemed cool, that may have drawn them to an iteration of their own.

nothing is better than no diggity
No Diggity = forever awesome.

no diggity

I think everyone can agree that "No Diggity" is one of the greatest songs ever recorded.

got to bag it up

I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!"

this has been the most tedious discussion ever

ha, i can't actually hear the similarity to "rump shaker" at all. Having previously been familiar with the song and re-listening to it specifically because of this thread.

i think i like the original blaqstarr production way better, but both are still pretty dope

XXXpostOTM

"I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!""

I pretty sure most people in your town, my town, everyone's towns didn't give a shit.

http://flyingcart.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/how_rude.jpg

alex sf otm

you guys are blowing my fucking mind here

if a wack rapper drops a song on a hot beat, ill say "nice beat, but the rapping is trash." I think the clash sample is a good one. but the song is not a good one, because MIA is adding basically nothing to it as far as im concerned. her personality is paper-thin, shes a stand-in for a bunch of unconvincing & ham-fisted signifiers.

i totally criticize rappers for this kind of shit all the time!! its mindblowing to me that this far on after we had the discussion this point is still missing you guys

and ive fukkin spun 'rump shaker' while djing before (albeit not in a few years) i think i probably subconsciously recognized it but while im sure lots of people (although apparently not everyone, including dudes keyed into this stuff like shakey) acknowledged it, it doesnt take a barely-there interpolation ("all i wanna do is" -- was that 'soak up the sun' song a rump shaker interpolation too???) to make a song a hit. theres a reason 'galang' from that car commercial that was exposed to half the world & didnt become a hit, while this song did, and its all about the musicality of the sample.

and yo guys -- im not saying "her music is bad because its a one track jack," im even bringing this up as a reaction to ppl who ride her 'popularity' as a confirmation of her doing something vital/relevant. the only reason that most ppl know who she is is a clash sample. same way most ppl only know vanilla ice because of a queen sample

""I'm pretty sure when "Paper Planes" was getting tons of play on the rap/r&b station in my town, more people hearing it on that station were going "oh, a 'Rump Shaker' reference!" than going "oh, a Clash sample!""

and for the last fucking time, i never said it was a hit because people were like "hey i recognize the clash." it was a hit because the sample is CATCHY. i understand that as a music board of critics you guys often have the worst taste on earth & arent keyed into what other human beings enjoy about music but cmon

you do realize that as a matter of course, people (and not just a board full of music critics) like different things about music, even the same pieces of music, yeah?

you are acting as if every non-ilm person who has heard that song is getting the exact same thing out of it, when obviously people are going to have a wide range of reactions

I really have no idea why I'm arguing with the biggest hardhead short of Geir on this board

i dont know why im arguing w/ an MIA stan but here we are

and for what its worth rev i think theres something to be gained from observing why people seem to like some things in big numbers and not others, as long as you acknowledge that the generalizations you are making are just that

but your observation is just conjecture

...based on your own response, which is completely fine if you just hold it out there as your own response to the song, but it gets really stupid when you start projecting it onto everyone else

i dunno i think everyone asserting that this is a hit because she barely quoted 'rump shaker' is being ridiculous & this is a much more defensible position but then i think MIA as a whole is a crock of whatever so i guess i should expect this response in her thread

that said, if miccio mentions that i like rap music one more time as if that means anything, i just dont know

the idea of it having anything to do w/ "rump shaker" is pretty retarded imo, but i think it's equally retarded for you to str8 up ignore the chorus of the song, esp cuz in my experience, that's the part that ppl dig the most

i never argued what ppl 'dig the most' i argued what made it a hit

i dont know why im arguing w/ an MIA stan but here we are

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half the beats on Kala are some tedious shit

― BIG HOOS was the drummer for the rock band Gay Mom (The Reverend), Sunday, Suggest Ban Permalink
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About a third of Kala is sludgy and tedious and barely listenable. And Arular had better songs and production, some stuff on Kala seems undersketched and the whole album sounds dry and brittle where Arular sounded warm and colorful.

― suggestbannn/the lorax below (The Reverend), Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:50 AM

but I guess liking anything by her makes me a slobbering "stan" with no critical faculties when talking about anything she's done

xp I said this before but what made it a hit was it got used in two popular movies at the same time

j0rdan, you are smarter than this, how the hell does it not have anything to do with "Rump Shaker"?

deej, you really need to stop acting as if you have some greater insight into "regular people" than anyone else here. that shit is mad tedious and presumptuous

xp I said this before but what made it a hit was it got used in two popular movies at the same time

― GayQuil (The Reverend), Wednesday, May 12, 2010 1:18 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark

galang was on a nationally broad cast commercial but it didnt become a hit. generally speaking, songs dont become hits unless people like them

m.i.a. arguments were more fun when they were about tamil tigers.

okay, and those are very different songs in a lot of ways other than "one has a clash sample and one doesn't", so your point is?

catchy musical samples are more likely to make hits when the artist is unlikely to have hits

catchy musical samples are more likely to make hits when the artist is unlikely to have hits

I think more people have been arguing that she quoted "Rump Shaker" than that quoting "Rump Shaker" made it a hit. but please feel free to continue railing against a strawman that doesn't even bolster your argument.

I'm just saying that when she quoted Rump Shaker, it was a metaphor.

i'm going to mention again that deej is using the same half-assed criticisms ("amusical" "dependent on a catchy sample for a hit") to dismiss MIA that have been used against hip-hop artists since the genre was born (though yes, he's consistent about only using the half-assed criticisms when he doesn't like the artist). I'm mentioning it because I want to know what he doesn't know.