^if deej could have a board description
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
haha
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 05:17 (thirteen years ago) link
im hardly known for 'liking' albums. soldier of love >>> love vs. money
U HEARD ME
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 07:33 (thirteen years ago) link
j0hn are you still out there insisting sade didnt use breakbeats
http://www.alsbom.org/clientimages/36469/graphics_and_clip_art/Challengers.jpg
― J0rdan S., Friday, 7 May 2010 07:34 (thirteen years ago) link
on babyfather, does anyone else think it undermines the ambiguous coldness/cruelty of saying the child was a fling by having a guy on BVs saying 'daddy loves you child' etc. i liked it before i noticed all that. though im not sure who shes directing the apparent resentment of the fact its a fling at, its like shes explaining matter of factly to the child that she was the result of a fling, while kinda taking a hit at the dad for not sticking around. that the 'dad' seems to get a chance to speak later on i think undoes it a bit.
actually i kinda got the idea that she was tryin not to talk bad about pops - kinda on a "we always knew it was never gonna last but we both love ya anyway" tip. thus softening the harshness of the "knows you're a fling" line, and making the message a bit more complex that your typical r&b diva "he ran off and he's a bastard, but who needs him anyway, woman power 4eva rrraaawwrrrr" schtick
― messiahwannabe, Friday, 7 May 2010 08:07 (thirteen years ago) link
^^good post
xps "U HEARD ME" is kinda telegraphing the challop, don't u think?
― moderator requiem forum (The Reverend), Friday, 7 May 2010 11:41 (thirteen years ago) link
obv
― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Friday, 7 May 2010 13:52 (thirteen years ago) link
still think she's saying flame xxpost
― Moreno, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:00 (thirteen years ago) link
It's "flame," not "fling."I doubt I will ever feel an urge to listen to anything but "Soldier of Love" itself.― Andy K, Monday, February 8, 2010 9:43 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark
I doubt I will ever feel an urge to listen to anything but "Soldier of Love" itself.
― Andy K, Monday, February 8, 2010 9:43 AM (2 months ago) Bookmark
When I posted this, I should have noted that there was a source: the booklet.
Also:
http://www.sade.com/us/lyrics/babyfather/
― Andy K, Friday, 7 May 2010 19:02 (thirteen years ago) link
interesting hear that from an official source (i commented on this before when i read that on some random lyrics page) but to me it clearly sounds like fling. i have a theory: she put it on the lyrics sheet as "flame" so as not to harsh her daughter, but sang it as "fling".
of course i could be reading way to much into this, obviously. anyway i like it as "fling" so i'll continue to choose to hear it as "fling"!
― messiahwannabe, Saturday, 8 May 2010 06:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Anyone with the time or cash to see the current Sade tour (first in ten years!) would be well served snagging a ticket. She was great last night, smooth as silk and oddly down to earth for someone of her status and reputation. Sound/band was great, too, and visuals were minimal but effective. I had my doubts she would work in an arena, but I was proven wrong. She may also be the best looking 52-year old I have ever seen.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 August 2011 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
She may also be the best looking 52-year old woman I have ever seen.
― jaxon, Saturday, 6 August 2011 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
shes been doing arena tours for so long id hope shed be good! would have loved to have seen it last night $$$$$$$
― Gatsby was a success, in the end, wasn't he? (D-40), Saturday, 6 August 2011 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
saw the tour 2 days back (wednesday). HOLY SHIT so good. all the new stuff from Soldier of Love.... excellent. Love Deluxe cuts (cherish the day, kiss of life, no ordinary love, pearls) and Lovers Rock (by your side, king of sorrow) all fucking dynamite. only thing a bit cheesy was the old lounge-y stuff, the sweetest taboo, smooth operator... etc. but about 90% solid gold. "jezebel" was stunning, "morning bird" WOWOWOW. whole show was just so good really. john legend not bad either!
― i genuinely thought when i first joined that he was the admin (ilxor), Saturday, 10 September 2011 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
Those songs are not cheesy damn u
― D-40, Saturday, 10 September 2011 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
hope this record has risen in ppl's estimations over the past few years. "in another time" is probably my favorite sade song at this point
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:04 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68OTrm5fC9o
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:16 (ten years ago) link
Good call – I'd forgotten about "In Another Time."
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 October 2013 19:18 (ten years ago) link
"Be That Easy" :O
― geoffreyess, Monday, 7 September 2020 23:37 (three years ago) link
The whole second half really. Plus the rest.
about to be the ten year anniv
i hate reading my tone in these old threads but i stand by the gist of 'being really stoked abt this album'
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 January 2021 21:13 (three years ago) link
10 years wow. I still feel like I somehow haven’t yet had time to give it a good listen.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Sunday, 10 January 2021 22:02 (three years ago) link
11th anniversary!
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 January 2021 22:14 (three years ago) link
oh damn ... i cant count
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:12 (three years ago) link
#74 on pitchfork year end list .... ariel pink #1 ... thoughts on which has aged better
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:15 (three years ago) link
I was about to say: this came out when I was still in office at XLR8R, which ended in mid-2010. We had an office listening party when it came out.
― Pere Legume (the table is the table), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:20 (three years ago) link
love this album so gd much
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:26 (three years ago) link
"be that easy" ... "in another time" ... tears
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:27 (three years ago) link
I remember my shock of glee when the title track was so awesome.
Just think: the Dems hadn't lost control of the Senate yet.
― meticulously crafted, socially responsible, morally upsta (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 10 January 2021 23:42 (three years ago) link
man this album
i'm finally diving into it and i really think it might be their best. how anything can deal with death so forthrightly and have such a light touch at the same time feels like such a miracle. somehow even the family stuff reaches me - the treatment is gentle, relieving, unsentimental, full of detail and observation, the truth there is so undeniable. her vocal performances on these tracks.. there's a whole life and universe there, they feel truly representative of all of humanity. some of these songs have 'recently minted songbook standard' vibes to them. at the same time there's something unassuming to the whole thing, sort of hidden in plain sight. what an achievement.
― ꙮ (map), Saturday, 7 January 2023 22:40 (one year ago) link
be that easy, babyfather and soldier of love are great songs
― CerebralCaustic, Sunday, 8 January 2023 01:09 (one year ago) link
otm
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 January 2023 02:43 (one year ago) link
be that easy completely destroys me.
i'm not sure who exactly some of these songs are addressed to, but it seems like it may be ... god ...?
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 9 January 2023 19:30 (one year ago) link
also, i really did need to know that in spite of the long hard road ahead it's going to be alright. you know?
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 9 January 2023 19:31 (one year ago) link
just like, crying for 30 minutes straight in the car while this cd plays
― ꙮ (map), Monday, 9 January 2023 19:33 (one year ago) link
Just discovered on YT the clips of the official live recording of 2011. Wonderful and unusual staging. Might buy a DVD for the first time in 15 years
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Wednesday, 11 January 2023 12:49 (one year ago) link
“Be That Easy” is so fuckin nice
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 11 January 2023 13:44 (one year ago) link
no love for 'skin' ....
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2023 07:36 (one year ago) link
― Andy K, Monday, February 8, 2010 8:43 AM (twelve years ago) bookmarkflaglink
curious if andy has come around
― xheugy eddy (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2023 07:41 (one year ago) link
That's all he's listened to since 2010.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 13 January 2023 10:25 (one year ago) link
"skin" is divine.
i've had this in my car for a few weeks now. it's a total comfort listen. something about this combo: grief / family loss + the sober / real / "morning after" vocals + incredible grooves / very crafty but light touch on everything.
"the moon and the sky" is lush and almost gothic, what an anthem about love turned on its head.those last few minutes of "soldier of love" are such a groove - p funk vibes."morning bird" is devastating mothers' grief."babyfather" is wonderful, it's honestly not my favorite thing here because of the subject matter but it's very seductive."long hard road" is a perfect miniature about being lost and moving ahead anyway."be that easy" - obsessed with this. "bring me home" - this song is nuts. did i ever think i would hear a sade song about being at that stage in life where you just want to die + major halloween vibes? there's almost a spiteful joy for me in singing along to it."in another time" - matthewman's sax! the first time it shows up on the album, and what a song for it. just like, "fuck those dudes." time washes away everything."skin" - "cause you're not right within" - probably the sickest burn i have ever heard"the safest place" i have never had a child but this is very compelling, very rich soundscape
my ranking is something like
"be that easy" > "moon and the sky" = "soldier of love" = "skin" = "in another time" = "bring me home" > "long hard road" = "morning dove" > "babyfather" = "the safest place"
― ꙮ (map), Saturday, 28 January 2023 02:26 (one year ago) link
it's not like i've heard very much music, but i've never heard anything in the pop realm that gets so real about death and loss and what it takes (or doesn't take) to deal with it.
"be that easy" gets me literally every time i listen to it. when the thesis of the song arrives, that she could have been falling all these years, full of air, sun on her face wind in her hair, falling down, flying as slow as she can, not trying to reach the land, just falling somewhere - that, to me, is maybe the most beautiful thing i've ever heard, and i burst into tears every time she sings it.
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 01:00 (one year ago) link
I remember not thinking about Sade for years, until I noticed a bunch of live videos on Youtube that had ten million views apiece, e.g. this one:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au8rHGvytn8
They're one of those bands that are much bigger in the US than the UK. The more I hear the more the strike me as a hidden gem - the stereotype in the 1980s was that they made smooth music for Porsche-owning businesspeople who had compact disc players, but in 2023 we are all Porsche-driving businesspeople with compact disc players. Obviously no literally. But metaphorically. On a more serious level I've always found it hard to get into The Blue Nile because their production smacks of the period whereas Sade has a timeless quality. I can see the band being popular with modern internet kids.
It's odd how bands you ignore when you're young creep up on you. I'm still thrown by the resurgence of interest in Slowdive. Of all the bands! Slowdive. I would never have predicted Slowdive coming back into fashion, not in a million years. But Sade is still sort-of in fashion because they're still the same band, they didn't stop.
I learn from discogs.com that some vinyl pressings of the first album had SHAR-DAY written on the LP labels.
― Ashley Pomeroy, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 22:07 (one year ago) link
Sade are great. I’m glad you are on the right side.
― brotherlovesdub, Tuesday, 21 March 2023 22:47 (one year ago) link
except this business of timelessness ;)
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 22:49 (one year ago) link
i mean, time is a major theme for this band, but it's definitely mortal time.
i love all of the albums but none have quite flashed 'this is a major work of art' at me like soldier of love has. still i don't think it's perfect. the last song doesn't quite gel for me.
― ꙮ (map), Tuesday, 21 March 2023 23:07 (one year ago) link
map i've been appreciating your sporadic dispatches in this thread. it's prompted me to play the album front to back a couple times for the first time in many years; probably since it was new. it really has opened up, keeping the themes of your insights in mind. thank you.
― ''can be prusuaded to show gayness'' (Austin), Thursday, 23 March 2023 15:29 (one year ago) link
same -- love the posts, map
― the very juice and sperm of kindness. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 March 2023 15:32 (one year ago) link
ty, glad it prompts a relisten.
"babyfather" is wonderful, it's honestly not my favorite thing here because of the subject matter but it's very seductive.
"babyfather" is a major-key, positive, chill song that sounds bright. but ironically it might be the most painful song for me to listen to on this album because of the failures of my own father.
― ꙮ (map), Thursday, 23 March 2023 17:26 (one year ago) link