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It's very ironic that Apple is making completely boneheaded Microsoft-circa-1992 moves her in terms of the usability/customizability of their operating system after intentionally moving towards the geek OS which pretty much lets you customize everything as long as you aren't scared of being a computer nerd.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:20 (nineteen years ago) link

LCD monitors, is it normal for warranties to NOT cover fixing them if pixels go out? Like is it normal for the warranty to require the screen to be basically totally dead before they'll fix it?

Most LCD monitor warranties require you to have a certain percentage of dead pixels before you can claim. It's usually about 5%, which is a hell of a lot given that one or two pixels in the centre of the screen can be damn offputting.

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago) link

That can't be right. At least, I hope that's not right. A 1600x1200 monitor has 1,920,000 pixels. Five percent of that is 96,000. That's a lot of dead pixels. Can you imagine what that monitor would look like?

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

How about doing a google search and finding the Tom's Hardware article that exhaustively discusses the various LCD replacement policies and ISO standards compliance of several major manufacturers? That sounds like a lot of fun.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

If I wasn't too lazy, I'd hunt down the warranty on my own monitor when I get home and check what it actually says.

Thinking about it, I don't think it's a flat percentage figure - and there are separate limits for dead and miscoloured pixels.

The general point - that there have to be quite a lot of dead pixels before you can think about sending the monitor back - is true, though

(and 1600x1200 TFT monitors are still vv expensive, so might have different warranties - all the TFTs I've come across in the past year or so have been 1280x1024)

xpost: well, yes. But as i said, I'm too lazy to do, like, *research* myself.

(why do you think I've got a blog?)

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

It's very ironic that Apple is making completely boneheaded Microsoft-circa-1992 moves her in terms of the usability/customizability of their operating system after intentionally moving towards the geek OS which pretty much lets you customize everything as long as you aren't scared of being a computer nerd.

-- The Ghost of Dan Perry (djperr...) (webmail), March 16th, 2005 10:20 AM. (Dan Perry) (link)

What are you talking about specifically?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:44 (nineteen years ago) link

caitlin are you implying that you have interns for your blog?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago) link

No, I'm implying that I never do any research before posting anything :-)

caitlin (caitlin), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, I suggested X terminal because I don't know about the storage specifications for the DS. Hopefully someone will make a Hobbyist OS designed for the platform built on top of Linux or L4 or Mach or whatever....

But being able to acess X apps remotely would be cool. I wonder if the DS can do OpenGL.....

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm slightly talking out of my ass but mostly referring to the complaints upthread that in order to change certain system settings you have to download someone else's third-party tool as opposed using the correct csh/tcsh command (most of which I've now forgotten).

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Do you mean the hidden files in the finder thing? There's some commandline utility to unhide them, but I see no need to use it.

I don't manage /usr/local/bin using Finder.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago) link

AND I think you can edit some plist or something to turn off all file hiding.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Didn't you used to make fun of Macs, like a little while ago? Before you got one?

Dan, yr totally OTM.

This is the only thing on Mac's entire website that I can find that specifically references the LCD issue: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=22194 I was actually searching for the "solution" the tech offered the girl which involved "massaging" the affected area with a q-tip??? He said "the instructions on how to do it are all on the website though" and I cannot find them! Maybe he meant some other website, and not Apple's.

And yeah, I know, LCD's, they ain't gonna replace them for one or two pixels out, right? But it struck me odd that there wasn't like a 5% type of figure being thrown out, that the thing would have to be pretty much DEAD for them to even be willing to do anything at all.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago) link

That's nice, Jon. The way I see it if I want to futz around in a *nix shell environment I can do it for fucking free.
I paid for this Finder and I want it to have some rudimentary administrative functionality. Like it used to.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Many of the usability complaints being thrown around here remind me of the usability complaints people had with Windows 3.1 back in the day.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Why do you wanna futz around with /usr/bin in Finder?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't know Jon maybe I just like knowing I can do the same shit on The Greatest Fucking OS On Earth that I can do with, you know, fucking Fedora.

http://slagheap.net/etherspoof/
http://wiki.ethereal.com/CaptureSetup_2fCapturePrivileges
http://www.macguru.net/~frodo/Tripwire-osx.html

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Are you mad that apple doesn't provide you with GUIs for all your favorite UNIX applications. Why should I have to open Terminal.app to use TCPdump?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago) link

It is totally possible to generate OS X packages of any of those applicatons. Solution: you don't have to futz around.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Would you like me to generate an OS X package of anything for you?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes. I want you to generate an OS X package that makes it so I can configure and administer my machinery the way I want to without having to consult a fucking computer scientist.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Why don't you buy OS X Server?

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Why don't you lick my balls?

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:51 (nineteen years ago) link

DAN PERRY IS OTM

JON WILLIAMS HAS NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION

Jon, there is one problem with OSX that you never, ever, ever get on these threads and it leads you to argue with me or Tracer or Tom or basically anyone else who doesn't feel like having to open Terminal and remember UNIX commands and go through lengthy compile processes just to get control of their own goddamn computer that they paid $3000 for. You DON'T have to go through these hoops on Windows (post like 2000ish). You DIDN'T have to go through these hoops on older Mac OSes. You DON'T have to do this with other systems. If you WANTED to do that you could just FUCKING LOAD RED HAT INTO A MUCH CHEAPER MACHINE. That's the problem here, Jon, not whether or not you could, theoretically, go into UNIX and go through a series of commands to do xyz if you know quite a lot about UNIX. I know it's theoretically possible. I also know that I didn't have to do that on OS9 or on my PC to get it to do things I wanted to do. It shouldn't take me hours to make iTunes work the way I want it to, is what I'm saying. I shouldn't have to search the help function to figure out how to double space paragraphs in iWork. By making things "easier" they're making it harder.

Mac OSX basically has two modes: complete retard or computer scientist. For everyone who falls in between--which is the majority of what seems to be their market, old Mac users and switch over fairly-knowledgable Windows 2000/XP users--this is really super gay balls bullshit and I hope they change this little smugness phenomenon on their next OS because I'd really like a Powerbook or Powermac but quite frankly if I'm going to have to use UNIX commands and shit in a terminal app ANYWAY to get what I want done on a regular basis on the computer, I'm not going to buy a fucking Mac.

xpost because he's already spent $4000 on a computer that acts like a flakey tempermental coke head?

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't have any problems with my mac. I am one of those who falls in between. : /

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link

no problems using it that is. I don't really use it for too much fancy tho really, I guess.

the build quality could be a whole lot better. but I have an uncle who works at apple so I get it all cheap (maintenance &.) fr free anyway < /flounces off, smug as all hell>

cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, posting from Ally's computer doesn't make me listen to you.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link

What UNIX commands are you needing to use? I only see them being needed for compiling bullshit or touching thing THAT YOU AREN'T SUPPOSED TO FUCK WIT

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:02 (nineteen years ago) link

give me one fucking example

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago) link

*insert GIF of dogs going at it here*

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:18 (nineteen years ago) link

rm
make

at least, off the top of my head, except oh wait Jon is going to turn all my programs into .pkgs for me and put them on .dmgs that are in .sits so it is all easy and doubleclickable

so just
rm

well maybe

rm
cd
ls

in case I want to look at the files in some of my directories BESIDES HOME for troubleshooting reasons but wait OS X always runs like a dream, troubleshooting isn't necessary! Invisible files should always stay invisible! You shouldn't be able to see that, it never needs to be touched!

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago) link

wait, MAKE? You are not a typical end user, goodbye!

When have you had to "look somewhere" for "troubleshooting reasons"??

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link

who the fuck is a "typical end user??" I paid money, I want the thing to do what I ask it to without me having to jump over the nerds and through the bell laboratories, you seem to have not read Ally's post and my post and all the other posts where it has been noted that if you drop cash on an OS and hardware to run with it you might expect it all to at least have the same functionality out of the box as an OS that comes for free and runs on outmoded bargian basement x86 shit.

my mom? she uses the iTMS and iPhoto a lot. She your typical end user?

haha the one time I have had to investigate some invisible files to troubleshoot things was when I realized gcc was broken and I couldn't use CPAN. Oh and a week ago when the iShockXDriver flooded my logs and flung shit everywhere.

So I guess you're right, Jon, either I should devote myself to *nix and just get my next OS for free or I should just use iTunes and iPhoto and be a happy little imbecile with no interest in any functionality other than that Apple built in. I don't see what standpoint you're even arguing from besides rabid, drooling Apple fanboy. It doesn't matter though! you win! I use MAKE, I have no right to expect that Apple let me use the Finder the way EVERY OTHER *NIX WINDOW MANAGER WORKS.

Have you ever noticed how annoying female college students who are into Franz Ferdinand are, Jon?

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago) link

you're getting angry! You confused Window Managers and File Managers.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Tom, did you just call your mother an imbecile???

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

No I think YOU confused MY GENITALS for YOUR HAT

xpost could very well have.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago) link

I blame crappy shareware for all your problems.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.factor-software.com/images/boom_3.png

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Jon has raised throwing water onto an oil fire to an art form!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago) link

the better version of this thread:
How dumb are mac users

http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I like how no one has explained to me yet as to why I shouldn't have just built my own computer with parts given to me as gifts from good friend who is IT manager and just installed Linux on it instead of trying to use a stupid old Mac if it's going to make me have to use UNIX anyway to get it to the SAME FUNCTIONALITY LEVEL AS OS9.

except minus the easy change customizo fonts thing for your GUI :( :( :(

http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

I have to admit that I kind of thought the end of Mac was a long, long time ago, long before iPods and iWork and iCute and all that. It was when they released the EMAC for the first time. That was when I realized I would soon not be happy with their developments.

THINGS WERE ALL BETTER, FOR ALL OF US, IN 1994.

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I mean my self-made computer with Linux on it would've cost approximately $800,000,000 less than the Mac :( :( :(

JON WHERE WERE YOU LAST YEAR, TO TELL ME ALL OF THIS SMUG NONSENSE???

For good measure
http://users.bestweb.net/~jdowney/images/sad-mac.gif

Allyzay Dallas Multi-Pass (allyzay), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 21:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I just ordered parts and am assembling my own windows PC. The parts are all warrantied individually by their respective manufacturers (they're often quite long, and some are lifetime!).

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

They should have bought Be as well as NeXT.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, not for *all* of us, but I see your point. I'm still waiting for computers to get significantly better than they were ten years ago. They're smaller and faster now, but ten years ago you've have guessed that computers now would be somehow fundamentally better, that they would have learned to attack problems in new ways instead of throwing more processor speed and more fat graphics at the same ol' computing experience.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:20 (nineteen years ago) link

sorry, that was supposed to quote ally: THINGS WERE ALL BETTER, FOR ALL OF US, IN 1994.

sunburned and snowblind (kenan), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago) link

if it's going to make me have to use UNIX anyway to get it to the SAME FUNCTIONALITY LEVEL AS OS9.

I ask you, what do you have to do to get same functionality level??????????????????

I hardly ever use my terminal application for anything other than ssh to real UNIX systems. My system runs (nearly!) flawlessly for months at a time.

When I ran a free UNIX, I had constant headaches with crappy x86 hardware and Linux. Package upgrades breaking things; OpenGL not workingp; blocking operations in graphical programs preventing GUI redraws, etc. Linux is SO FAR BEHIND OS X for normal desktop use.

Dr. Eldon Tyrell (ex machina), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 22:27 (nineteen years ago) link


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