"The Wire" on HBO

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goddamit fuck. i'll still rent it though.

Ô¿Ô (eman), Friday, 8 July 2005 04:44 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, it's worth renting. No question.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Friday, 8 July 2005 04:53 (eighteen years ago) link

oh my god! i just realised prez is the elevator dude in hudsucker proxy!

that is so cool.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Friday, 8 July 2005 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

season 1 was OK at parts, kinda patchy i thought. but season 2 was great, although i didn't like it at all in the beginning. it definitely grew on me though and surpassed season 1.
i missed season 3 when it came out and am now following the weekly reruns on hbo2 (wed. nights). so far it is pretty yawny, but it seems they all start out that way. interested to see how it transpires each week ... or may lose patience and download the whole season 3 off bit-Torr.

omar is pretty SIC-WID-IT though.

leonard (tk), Friday, 8 July 2005 05:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I've seen them all in a row up through midway through season 3 (currently being rerun on Wednesdays on HBO2) and seriously I have no complaints. There are maybe a couple inconcruous sex scenes, but I don't know, sometimes the show needs some bit of sexiness or levity because so much of everything else in it is pretty dead serious.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 8 July 2005 13:07 (eighteen years ago) link

Dude, I laugh a LOT while watching The Wire. The Moving the Desk scene, to take one brilliant example. Snot Boogie. Drunk Driving through the underpass...

I guess a lot of it happens in the pre credit sequence.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 9 July 2005 01:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Okay, the sex scenes can be forgiven or explained away, but Lt. Daniels has his shirt off through half the third season, and he looks like a GI Joe man. Or D'Angelo in that video. He's absurdly ripped, and looks like he's done a 45 minute workout before filming the scenes. I dunno, it distracted me, that's all.

Chris H. (chrisherbert), Saturday, 9 July 2005 02:29 (eighteen years ago) link

He's estranged from his wife, so he's gotta do something to work out that excess energy.

Actually, I find the softcore pretty distracting and not (usually) revelatory of any character or plot stuff, so I have a theory it's all just part of HBO's attempt to keep a minimum tits per hour average on their original shows.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 9 July 2005 02:49 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I was kinda "whoa" when Daniels was topless - I figured he'd be skinny, not totally ripped.

Any time sex on the Wire borders on gratuitous, it's always McNulty. And it's usually funny.

And yeah, there's a lot of wit in The Wire. Just not a lot of slapstick.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Hey, imagine getting that memo: "Love the show, but please add more titties."

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:30 (eighteen years ago) link

The rumors say there will be a lot less McNutty in S4. Whatsisname's movie career is getting big, and the character was busted back to beat cop anyway so he can't be working any big cases. He'll supposedly show up for a cameo in a few episodes, but not part of the main ensemble.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

That could be a good thing. I like McNulty fine, but the renegade-cop shtick is one of the few gratuitous cliches on the show.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:36 (eighteen years ago) link

There should be more scenes with Carver and Herc! There's something very captivating about Carv, I dont know how to explain it. I just want to see more of him. Also, that scene(s) with him and Herc when they talk about what man, if they had to, they'd sleep with, is so very classic.

And it's essential they find a way to add Omar to the storyline for next season.

Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:52 (eighteen years ago) link

They should subcontract Omar to other series and movies. He's such a great character, he could just kind of turn up here and there, do his thing, move on.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 21:15 (eighteen years ago) link

a friend thinks that bunk and lester should get their own show where they solve a new crime every week. amazing.

mcnulty might be the most cliched thing to you, gypsy, but he's also one of the most reality-based characters on the show! he's ed burns.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Saturday, 9 July 2005 21:54 (eighteen years ago) link

He might be reality-based, but his clashes with the brass started to seem kinda Dirty Harry-ish.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

If I could make one request for season 4, it would be PLEASE MORE FREAMON AND PREZ PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:44 (eighteen years ago) link

I think McNulty is a great character, but I think most all of them are great characters. Herc and Carver's old-married-couple routines are definitely a comic highlight of the show, though.

Personally, I hope they find some way to keep Cutty in the mix - that guy is fascinating. I'd like to see Zig and Nick and Horseface and the Greek and other guys from the docks come back, too, but I guess they've been pretty well dropped.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link

three months pass...
I just finished Season 3, and I have to say I think it leaves the other two seasons, good as they were, in the shade. There's just so much payoff. Long-term payoff. Arcs whose parabolas have taken three years to reach their zenith and then fall spiralling inevitably towards the flames. What's there left to do? Plenty, I guess. But to me the show's heart was always the Barksdale crew. The scene with Stringer (can words to justice to Elba's portrayal?), Avon (who to me bears an eerie resemblance to Brad Pitt; I think it's because he looks like he could smuggle rodents in his constantly flexing jaws) and Brianna (the incredible Michael Hyatt), where they discuss the circumstances of D'Angelo's death, plays deeper than anything else in the three seasons of the show, in part because it's had three season's worth of build-up to get to that point. The core of the crew is in the crucible there, you can see it in the picture made by the actors in the room, you can feel it in their performances, and you can see the results in every aspect of the plot thereafter.

The cops, on the other hand, have never seemed too serious to me. They've never had a scene like that. Sure, there have been steely-eyed threats, hurled recriminations, long friendships put at risk, but the "game" is something the cops can dip out of -- to the extent that they turn off their cell phones -- any time they want. Even to the most "natural police," as the show puts it, their jobs, and the relationships in their jobs, matter, but only so much. Which probably reflects reality, to an extent. Bayliss and Pembleton cared so much they almost drove themselves off the deep end; these police seem a little more balanced. But less interesting.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 03:59 (eighteen years ago) link

the "game" is something the cops can dip out of -- to the extent that they turn off their cell phones -- any time they want

You're giving pretty short shrift to a McNulty who recruits his own kids for subject surveillance!

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link

Which isn't a slam on the actors. The cop roles just don't seem like they have the same stakes to them. DRINKING GAME: Every shit-eating grin out of McNulty one drink; every seen-it-all shrug from Kima one drink (with eye-roll, drink from the bottle); every exasperated sigh from Kima's partner... well, okay, the stakes were always pretty high with her. Too high. But she wasn't a cop! The theory holds!

xpost haha yeah, but McNulty caught hell for it, cause he's an outrageous dick.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 05:52 (eighteen years ago) link

Why the hell am I so stilted writing about this show??

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:06 (eighteen years ago) link

awesome tracer! i'm impressed that you watched season three in like three days! the avon/stringer/briana scene was amazing, as was avon and stringer on the balcony overlooking the harbor.

and prez. poor poor prez.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

and CUTTY!!! so cute!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:14 (eighteen years ago) link

What do y'all think about the City Hall dimension of the show, which has gotten more significant every year, the council and mayoral politics, etc? I'm of two minds about it because on the one hand it's sort of amazing to find a TV show taking that stuff seriously and showing some level of sophistication about it, but on the other hand the show (which I guess means the writers) seem a little less sure-footed there than on the street. The political consultant dragon lady, e.g., doesn't really convince me.

I'd like to see a City Hall show written by someone who knows City Hall as well as Simon knows cops and robbers. But maybe I'd be the only one who watched it.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Also, did anyone see the NYT article a while back about how Baltimore's new police chief has a stepdaughter who's a junkie prostitute? It was a really sad story, and sounded exactly like a "Wire" storyline.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:30 (eighteen years ago) link

i love that aspect of the show, especially as it expounds on the wire's obvious power theory obsession. unfortunately i cannot say how realistic it is, but based on homicide (the book) and the articles i've read about city government, it seems fairly on point. supposedly the fourth season will focus on the city government and its relationship to the schools.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I think it gets the broad strokes right, the way the power relationships work and everything, it's just that the details seem a little less convincing than the details of the police work and the gangs. The characters are a little more stock, and their motivations are less complex. But that could be because they've been relatively minor characters so far, maybe in a season that focuses more on the bureaucracy, we'll get more interesting bureaucrats.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:38 (eighteen years ago) link

(and I think focusing on the school system is a great idea)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:40 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't see that article. The show has been threatening to follow the money since Season 1, and you're right, it definitely seems to be headed that way. They even added a totally gratuitous meeting between Cutty/Dennis and Daniels' wife in what I hope is a sprinkling of the chess pieces around the board for an epic corruption showdown in Season 4. Does anybody even remember now how the hell they got together? Dennis even asks Burrell -- why are you doing this? -- and see, now I can't remember. That's what happens when you totally pig out on like three episodes a night, I guess. Stuff falls through the cracks.

xpost to jamz -- yeah! The black councilman is running for mayor on an education platform, and the white councilman is running on crime, right? The white councilman is a great character, you never quite know where he's coming from. He seems like he's got real decency under there, but there are ominous signs... the moral triage of politics comes a little too naturally to him, and his vanity is well-documented. The revelation of Hamsterdam was a moment of moral choice for him and he wrestles with it -- use it to his campaign's advantage, or follow his conscience? He's told: "You've been dealt a winning hand and it's like you forgot how to play!" but he remembers how to play at the end, and I wonder if it's the first step down a long, venal road.

The other big indicator that 4 will be all about the money, or at least the politics, as that Clay Davis remains unconscionably un-comeuppanced.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:45 (eighteen years ago) link

p.s. I wonder if Simon knows George Somerby, the man who writes The Daily Howler? Somerby taught in Baltimore for years and has long excoriated everyone whose lapels he can grab about how they've failed kids in city schools.. to the point where he's now explicitly changing the mission of the Howler to focus on education

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 16:47 (eighteen years ago) link

BUNNY COLVIN!!! How awesome a character was he?

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, he's one of the cops to whom things actually mean something other than ego or advancement or lack of anything else to do. And what a face!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 20:18 (eighteen years ago) link

Lt. Daniels has his shirt off through half the third season, and he looks like a GI Joe man

Lance Reddick rules. He ruled on Oz too.

I saw him running at the dog park a few weeks back. Intimidating! But sporting the tall man's tell-tale knee braces.

And, in the hidden indicators department, he's done time in Rochester. Eastman School on his resume.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 21:24 (eighteen years ago) link

Apparently the 'arc' narrative of the fourth season is going to be following four middle school students through a school year. I forget where I read that, but it was linked from a Televisiowithoutpity.com forum. Sounds good to me. I'd like to hear back (somehow) from the Sobotka family or otherwise somehow get back to the docks. Vondas is still supplying Proposition Joe, right? That could do it.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 26 October 2005 22:02 (eighteen years ago) link

two months pass...
First off, this Ed Burns interview about season four is amazing, and shows how aware the creators are of the power theory/class questions of the Wire. (Of course they are but it was nice to hear them spelled out.)

Secondly, last week thanks to the transit strike and me spending Christmas in New York, I rewatched the first season and am mid-way through the second. Just so so good. So many things I had forgotten, and some little tidbits in the early going that showed the uncertainty that it began with. Things like:

1) Omar curses in the first episode
2) Stringer SMOKING in the first episode (no way would he ever smoke)
3) McNulty's British accent is sooooo apparent in the earlygoing

Anyway, I'm just convinced more and more everyday how genius this show is/was.

Also, has anyone else seen Cutty in those Cheerios commercials? And last night I saw D'Angelo's mom in an episode of West Wing!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link

Secondly, last week thanks to the transit strike and me spending Christmas in New York, I rewatched the first season and am mid-way through the second.

This sentence is true of me as well. Yancey, are you me?

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:05 (eighteen years ago) link

if only i could be so lucky!

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha!

On the second viewing, I found myself more impressed by the skillful long-arc structuring, but slightly more annoyed by the couple of actors for whom I can't quite suspend disbelief. Frank Sobotka in particular makes me picture the script, and the camera, and the audition, and generally the actor trotting around the Upper West Side with a latte and a copy of Backstage.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

I thought the guy playing Sobotka was very believable!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Yeah, I realize that I'm in the minority. Kima is the only other one who bugs me a little.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

I love all the Sobotkas.

"YOU MOTHERFUCKERS GAVE ME BAD ADVICE!"

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Kima is somewhat unbelievable at times, and sometimes Omar is a little over the top, but Sobotka was totally real to me.

Scott CE (Scott CE), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Omar's over-the-top-ness is what makes him so fun.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 23:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Secondly, last week thanks to the transit strike and me spending Christmas in New York, I rewatched the first season and am mid-way through the second.
This sentence is true of me as well. Yancey, are you me?

Hey you guys are me wtf cut it out I'm me

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 27 December 2005 23:58 (eighteen years ago) link

wait, is Season 3 out on DVD yet (didn't find anything on amazon.com)?

alex in montreal (alex in montreal), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:36 (eighteen years ago) link

season three comes out this summer, apparently. which means season four will start in august or september. i bought a burned copy of season three online for about $10. sucks to pay someone for piracy, but i couldn't stand not being able to rewatch it...

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Bring it over to my house! I don't have HBO, I haven't seen any of season 2, and summer is too far away. I need it NOW.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:58 (eighteen years ago) link

Season 3 is just starting again on HBO Zone, if you've got a good HBO package.

Yeah, season 4 is debuting in the fall of 06.

HBO for 06:

March - May: The Sopranos / Big Love

July - September: Deadwood / Entourage

September - November: The Wire

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 16:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm interviewing writer-producer George P. Pelecanos on MLK Day in D.C. Anyone have any questions for him?

Pete Scholtes (Pete Scholtes), Thursday, 29 December 2005 23:03 (eighteen years ago) link


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