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I think the albums that followed Juju were better but its a great starting point.

hey sam tell us more of your thoughts on the albums you chose.

Real McCoy is awesome. Everyone of those players (Tyner, Jones, Carter, Henderson) there are totally reliable. If you see a record with just one of them playing on it, you should probably get it. All four of them? So good. Henderson in particular -- he is such a strong musician, I like pretty much everything I've heard him play on. And he plays on a lot!

Xpost: agree, especially with regard to McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones - all the Coltrane releases that they were on are essential.

this set is great -- looks like it's out of print, but everything on it is gold: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Note-Years-Joe-Henderson/dp/B000008B7S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1273161240&sr=1-1

Joe Henderson is great! And was the highlight of the Tyner for me. Also really like "Elements" though found "Power to the People" to be kind of limp. He's also excellent on Alice Coltrane's "Ptah..."

Cant go wrong with Joe Henderson at all.

Do you like "Power to the People" pfunkboy? I picked it up after reading some rave somewhere and was fairly disappointed.

I think so, I'd need to give it another listen, its been a while.

Power to the People is good -- nice mix of acoustic/electric stuff, Herbie plays great on it. Might not be the most earth-shattering stuff you'll ever hear, but I like it.

not this herbie:
http://www.dezshearer.co.uk/des311/1_1/herbie.jpg
this one:
http://www.atariarchives.org/deli/herbie_hancock.jpg

The lineup is great (Herbie, Ron Carter, Jack DeJohnette). I'll revisit it then!

So should I

yeah got it. will think include the one I wasn't gonna if I can get a Friday bonus for the other one.

― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:07 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

agree, the one I wasn't should be here!

― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:07 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

friday bonus is all me me me! (its cuz i cant wait 2 months for another shot haha)

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:09 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

This kind of attitude deserves the kind of atonal retort only avant-garde jazz can deliver.

FREE-JAZZ FRIDAY BONUS: John Coltrane "Ascension"

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Ascension reflects more of an event rather than just a jazz record and should be sought out by either experienced jazz appreciators or other open-minded listeners, but not by unsuspecting bystanders

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/album/6PTuYbT38J0UvZINkJu8W8

AMG review:

Ascension is the single recording that placed John Coltrane firmly into the avant-garde. Whereas, prior to 1965, Coltrane could be heard playing in an avant vein with stretched-out solos, atonality, and a seemingly free design to the beat, Ascension throws most rules right out the window with complete freedom from the groove and strikingly abrasive sheets of horn interplay. Recorded with three tenors (Trane, Pharoah Sanders, Archie Shepp), two altos (Marion Brown, John Tchicai), two trumpet players (Freddie Hubbard, Dewey Johnson), two bassists (Art Davis, Jimmy Garrison), the lone McCoy Tyner on piano, and Elvin Jones on the drums, this large group is both relentless and soulful simultaneously. While there are segments where the ensemble plays discordant and abrasive skronks, these are usually segues into intriguing blues-based solos from each member. The comparison that is immediately realized is Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz of five years previous. However, it should be known that Ascension certainly carries its own weight, and in a strange sense makes Coleman's foray a passive adventure -- mostly due to an updated sonic quality (à la Bob Thiele) and also Trane's greater sense of passionate spiritualism. Timed at around 40 minutes, this can be a difficult listen at first, but with a patient ear and an appreciation for the finer things in life, the reward is a greater understanding of the personal path that the artist was on at that particular time in his development. Coltrane was always on an unceasing mission for personal expansion through the mouthpiece of his horn, but by the time of this recording he had begun to reach the level of "elder statesman" and to find other voices (Shepp, Sanders, and Marion Brown) to propel and expand his sounds and emotions. Therefore, Ascension reflects more of an event rather than just a jazz record and should be sought out by either experienced jazz appreciators or other open-minded listeners, but not by unsuspecting bystanders. ~ Sam Samuelson, All Music Guide

Awesome album!!!!
(ps can trade you a bonus funk for bonus jazz) lol

oh btw, Ascension first-time listeners, you can but do not need to listen to both takes:

Two takes of the piece were recorded. The second take was issued on LP first, then withdrawn at Coltrane's insistence; this came to be called "Ascension, Edition I" (although nowhere on the LP was it identified as such). It was eventually replaced with the first take, similar except with a different solo order and no drum solo by Jones. This is "Edition II", and an etching in the outgroove of the vinyl LP identified it as such. Both takes are available on the Compact Disc reissue.

It just occurred to me, at 40 minutes single track length, how did this fit onto vinyl when first released? Did they just split it midway?

I've never come a vinyl LP that holds more than 30 min on each side.

would have thought it was split, hold on and i'll ask someone

ascension reeeeeeally fucked with me in high school

yup it was split into 2

xpost: would kinda ruin it, no?

i suppose back then there was no other way. also that wee break of turning the record over makes long records feel shorter.

So which edition of Ascension is your fave?

this vinyl alb runs more than 30 minutes per side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_House_78%27_17%22

bet it sounds like shit

i wrote something on it in my 40 years, 40 albums project a while ago. it was my 1965 fave album. one of the great collective improvisations. the name fits so well as there are all these solos which are like ascensions of the soloist who then comes back into the womb of the group. so much better than a love supreme.

I love it, but a bit unfair on saying so much better than a love supreme. as they're doing different things. almost to a different audience. Both are wonderful albums.

Who is up next?

local garda: 12 May
ward fowler: 19 May
Cave17Matt: 26 May

Ronan, you ready for Wednesday?

Anymore things people want to say about Sam picks: Coltrane "Africa/Brass", McCoy Tyner "The Real McCoy", Wayne Shorter "Juju"?

Pfunk is doing the friday bonus this week.

Real McCoy and Juju are probably two of my favorite records. Which is not to say I don't love Africa Brass, b/c I do.

More Jazz due today from Local Garda.... anytime now I expect...

If anyone sees Ronan posting elsewhere today remind him to get over here and give his picks.

send him a webmail.
ps he can usually be found on football threads

africa/brass strikes me as an update to the Duke Ellington "jungle" music from the 20s-30s sort of. Like it's not really based on African music, but more an *idea* of African music. if that makes sense. anyway, amazing performance. and the rest of the record is great, too -- love that version of "greensleeves," especially Tyner's piano.

local garda: 12 May
ward fowler: 19 May

pm'd you both. and both been active on ILX today. someone better step to it. Ward, if you wanna go first then do so.

i am pretty much ready to go, will get it together this evening if LG doesn't step up before then

When do I post my friday bonus then? Do I wait until tomorrow afternoon instead of posting at midnight or do I post now while we wait on ronan and give people something to talk about?

post it now, and then either Ronan or Ward if they get around to it.

thanks!

ok, check your email first!

Ok, friday bonus a day early to give everyone something to chew over while Ronas is busy with work.

Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
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AMG review

Carried by its almost impossibly infectious eponymous opening track, The Sidewinder helped foreshadow the sounds of boogaloo and soul-jazz with its healthy R&B influence and Latin tinge. While the rest of the album retreats to a more conventional hard bop sound, Morgan's compositions are forward-thinking and universally solid. Only 25 at the time of its release, Morgan was accomplished (and perhaps cocky) enough to speak of mentoring the great Joe Henderson, who at 26 was just beginning to play dates with Blue Note after getting out of the military. Henderson makes a major contribution to the album, especially on "Totem Pole," where his solos showed off his singular style, threatening to upstage Morgan, who is also fairly impressive here. Barry Harris, Bob Cranshaw, and Billy Higgins are all in good form throughout the album as well, and the group works together seamlessly to create an album that crackles with energy while maintaining a stylish flow.

Your thoughts?

*ronan

Maybe you guys need a not a spotify link?

guys sorry I've been stuck in spain until v late last night due to volcano...i can post my pics in next 24 hours tho, have to decide my final one at some point!

no worries... go ahead when you're ready.

suggestions for the final one, if you're still on Spanish time

Olé Coltrane by John Coltrane
Sketches of Spain by Miles Davis

Sidewinder is the shit; great album.

Damn, I really enjoy Sidewinder so much.... awesome interplay between trumpet Morgan, saxophonist Joe Henderson, pianist Barry Harris, bass player Bob Cranshaw, and drummer Billy Higgins... it "fizzes" all the way through.

Interesting background to this album and a sad ending for Lee Morgan:

"Lee Morgan, like many jazzmen, had a tenuous relationship with hard drugs that was as long as his jazz career. For long periods of his life heroin ruled him and when he would kick the habit for a year or two much of the time was spent getting his chops back. The Sidewinder, his most famous and successful album, came out during one of these breaks which was catalyzed when Morgan heard a tribute show for him on the radio that was made with the assumption he was dead. His heroin addiction continued off and on until 1972 when in between sets at a club he got involved in a three-way argument involving his girlfriend, his drug dealer and himself. It must have been one hell of an argument because it ended with Morgan being shot in the heart by his girlfriend."

He was only 33

A real tragedy, who knows what he could have done.