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listened to all three this evening - great picks Sam (?)!

Not much to say really except great playing on each track - masters each one!

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link

ty :)

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 21:41 (fourteen years ago) link

Sam what was the first jazz album you got into?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 23:11 (fourteen years ago) link

Umm... I had a friend back in six form who had this amazing collection and he set me right with so much but the first records he lent me? I think it was Alice Coltrane's Journey in longwordicannotspell and Dolphy's Out To Lunch. He also took me to see Shakti/John McLaughlin and Charles Lloyd and we met again last summer to see fucking Ornette! :D Unfortunately we got too stoned and barely saw any of the show but still :D

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 5 May 2010 23:19 (fourteen years ago) link

haha, you damn hippies! Would have loved to go to jazz gigs in the 60s, far more than to a load of rock gigs tbh. Mind you, you used to get jazz and rock bands on the same bill. MC5,Stooges, funkadelic, Zappa,Sun Ra all on the one bill. Miles touring with rock bands, god that musta been amazing.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah that sounds like heaven. + mc5.

tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Thursday, 6 May 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link

updated spotify playlist please subscribe

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 May 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link

africa/brass is one of my fave albums.
I was gonna do mccoy's extensions as one of my picks; may still. real mccoy is also great.
I know tragically little shorter. I'll go snag juju.

i never promised you a whinegarten (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 6 May 2010 06:19 (fourteen years ago) link

I think the albums that followed Juju were better but its a great starting point.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 May 2010 14:24 (fourteen years ago) link

hey sam tell us more of your thoughts on the albums you chose.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:22 (fourteen years ago) link

Real McCoy is awesome. Everyone of those players (Tyner, Jones, Carter, Henderson) there are totally reliable. If you see a record with just one of them playing on it, you should probably get it. All four of them? So good. Henderson in particular -- he is such a strong musician, I like pretty much everything I've heard him play on. And he plays on a lot!

tylerw, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Xpost: agree, especially with regard to McCoy Tyner and Elvin Jones - all the Coltrane releases that they were on are essential.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link

this set is great -- looks like it's out of print, but everything on it is gold: http://www.amazon.com/Blue-Note-Years-Joe-Henderson/dp/B000008B7S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1273161240&sr=1-1

tylerw, Thursday, 6 May 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Joe Henderson is great! And was the highlight of the Tyner for me. Also really like "Elements" though found "Power to the People" to be kind of limp. He's also excellent on Alice Coltrane's "Ptah..."

elephant rob, Thursday, 6 May 2010 18:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Cant go wrong with Joe Henderson at all.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Do you like "Power to the People" pfunkboy? I picked it up after reading some rave somewhere and was fairly disappointed.

elephant rob, Friday, 7 May 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

I think so, I'd need to give it another listen, its been a while.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 15:57 (fourteen years ago) link

Power to the People is good -- nice mix of acoustic/electric stuff, Herbie plays great on it. Might not be the most earth-shattering stuff you'll ever hear, but I like it.

tylerw, Friday, 7 May 2010 16:00 (fourteen years ago) link

not this herbie:
http://www.dezshearer.co.uk/des311/1_1/herbie.jpg
this one:
http://www.atariarchives.org/deli/herbie_hancock.jpg

tylerw, Friday, 7 May 2010 16:01 (fourteen years ago) link

The lineup is great (Herbie, Ron Carter, Jack DeJohnette). I'll revisit it then!

elephant rob, Friday, 7 May 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

So should I

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah got it. will think include the one I wasn't gonna if I can get a Friday bonus for the other one.

― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:07 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

agree, the one I wasn't should be here!

― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:07 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

friday bonus is all me me me! (its cuz i cant wait 2 months for another shot haha)

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:09 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

This kind of attitude deserves the kind of atonal retort only avant-garde jazz can deliver.

FREE-JAZZ FRIDAY BONUS: John Coltrane "Ascension"

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Ascension reflects more of an event rather than just a jazz record and should be sought out by either experienced jazz appreciators or other open-minded listeners, but not by unsuspecting bystanders

Spotify: http://open.spotify.com/album/6PTuYbT38J0UvZINkJu8W8

AMG review:

Ascension is the single recording that placed John Coltrane firmly into the avant-garde. Whereas, prior to 1965, Coltrane could be heard playing in an avant vein with stretched-out solos, atonality, and a seemingly free design to the beat, Ascension throws most rules right out the window with complete freedom from the groove and strikingly abrasive sheets of horn interplay. Recorded with three tenors (Trane, Pharoah Sanders, Archie Shepp), two altos (Marion Brown, John Tchicai), two trumpet players (Freddie Hubbard, Dewey Johnson), two bassists (Art Davis, Jimmy Garrison), the lone McCoy Tyner on piano, and Elvin Jones on the drums, this large group is both relentless and soulful simultaneously. While there are segments where the ensemble plays discordant and abrasive skronks, these are usually segues into intriguing blues-based solos from each member. The comparison that is immediately realized is Ornette Coleman's Free Jazz of five years previous. However, it should be known that Ascension certainly carries its own weight, and in a strange sense makes Coleman's foray a passive adventure -- mostly due to an updated sonic quality (à la Bob Thiele) and also Trane's greater sense of passionate spiritualism. Timed at around 40 minutes, this can be a difficult listen at first, but with a patient ear and an appreciation for the finer things in life, the reward is a greater understanding of the personal path that the artist was on at that particular time in his development. Coltrane was always on an unceasing mission for personal expansion through the mouthpiece of his horn, but by the time of this recording he had begun to reach the level of "elder statesman" and to find other voices (Shepp, Sanders, and Marion Brown) to propel and expand his sounds and emotions. Therefore, Ascension reflects more of an event rather than just a jazz record and should be sought out by either experienced jazz appreciators or other open-minded listeners, but not by unsuspecting bystanders. ~ Sam Samuelson, All Music Guide

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:33 (fourteen years ago) link

Awesome album!!!!
(ps can trade you a bonus funk for bonus jazz) lol

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 7 May 2010 23:38 (fourteen years ago) link

oh btw, Ascension first-time listeners, you can but do not need to listen to both takes:

Two takes of the piece were recorded. The second take was issued on LP first, then withdrawn at Coltrane's insistence; this came to be called "Ascension, Edition I" (although nowhere on the LP was it identified as such). It was eventually replaced with the first take, similar except with a different solo order and no drum solo by Jones. This is "Edition II", and an etching in the outgroove of the vinyl LP identified it as such. Both takes are available on the Compact Disc reissue.

It just occurred to me, at 40 minutes single track length, how did this fit onto vinyl when first released? Did they just split it midway?

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

I've never come a vinyl LP that holds more than 30 min on each side.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:08 (fourteen years ago) link

would have thought it was split, hold on and i'll ask someone

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:09 (fourteen years ago) link

ascension reeeeeeally fucked with me in high school

Let’s all be friends and hang out often. (forksclovetofu), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

yup it was split into 2

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:17 (fourteen years ago) link

xpost: would kinda ruin it, no?

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:21 (fourteen years ago) link

i suppose back then there was no other way. also that wee break of turning the record over makes long records feel shorter.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 8 May 2010 00:56 (fourteen years ago) link

So which edition of Ascension is your fave?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 8 May 2010 03:09 (fourteen years ago) link

this vinyl alb runs more than 30 minutes per side:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dream_House_78%27_17%22

Ward Fowler, Saturday, 8 May 2010 08:28 (fourteen years ago) link

bet it sounds like shit

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 8 May 2010 13:30 (fourteen years ago) link

i wrote something on it in my 40 years, 40 albums project a while ago. it was my 1965 fave album. one of the great collective improvisations. the name fits so well as there are all these solos which are like ascensions of the soloist who then comes back into the womb of the group. so much better than a love supreme.

alex in mainhattan, Saturday, 8 May 2010 20:36 (fourteen years ago) link

I love it, but a bit unfair on saying so much better than a love supreme. as they're doing different things. almost to a different audience. Both are wonderful albums.

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 9 May 2010 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Who is up next?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 9 May 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link

local garda: 12 May
ward fowler: 19 May
Cave17Matt: 26 May

Ronan, you ready for Wednesday?

Anymore things people want to say about Sam picks: Coltrane "Africa/Brass", McCoy Tyner "The Real McCoy", Wayne Shorter "Juju"?

Pfunk is doing the friday bonus this week.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 10 May 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Real McCoy and Juju are probably two of my favorite records. Which is not to say I don't love Africa Brass, b/c I do.

hills like white people (Hurting 2), Monday, 10 May 2010 23:01 (fourteen years ago) link

More Jazz due today from Local Garda.... anytime now I expect...

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Tuesday, 11 May 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link

If anyone sees Ronan posting elsewhere today remind him to get over here and give his picks.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:24 (fourteen years ago) link

send him a webmail.
ps he can usually be found on football threads

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link

africa/brass strikes me as an update to the Duke Ellington "jungle" music from the 20s-30s sort of. Like it's not really based on African music, but more an *idea* of African music. if that makes sense. anyway, amazing performance. and the rest of the record is great, too -- love that version of "greensleeves," especially Tyner's piano.

tylerw, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link

local garda: 12 May
ward fowler: 19 May

pm'd you both. and both been active on ILX today. someone better step to it. Ward, if you wanna go first then do so.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 13 May 2010 12:50 (fourteen years ago) link

i am pretty much ready to go, will get it together this evening if LG doesn't step up before then

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 13 May 2010 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

When do I post my friday bonus then? Do I wait until tomorrow afternoon instead of posting at midnight or do I post now while we wait on ronan and give people something to talk about?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link

post it now, and then either Ronan or Ward if they get around to it.

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 13 May 2010 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

thanks!

De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Thursday, 13 May 2010 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

ok, check your email first!

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 16:20 (fourteen years ago) link

Ok, friday bonus a day early to give everyone something to chew over while Ronas is busy with work.

Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
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AMG review

Carried by its almost impossibly infectious eponymous opening track, The Sidewinder helped foreshadow the sounds of boogaloo and soul-jazz with its healthy R&B influence and Latin tinge. While the rest of the album retreats to a more conventional hard bop sound, Morgan's compositions are forward-thinking and universally solid. Only 25 at the time of its release, Morgan was accomplished (and perhaps cocky) enough to speak of mentoring the great Joe Henderson, who at 26 was just beginning to play dates with Blue Note after getting out of the military. Henderson makes a major contribution to the album, especially on "Totem Pole," where his solos showed off his singular style, threatening to upstage Morgan, who is also fairly impressive here. Barry Harris, Bob Cranshaw, and Billy Higgins are all in good form throughout the album as well, and the group works together seamlessly to create an album that crackles with energy while maintaining a stylish flow.

Spotify Link

Your thoughts?

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

*ronan

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 13 May 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link


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