are disco edits the new electroclash?

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Omar Santana editing T-La Rock's Breaking Bells. THE most fucked up, crazy, editing track ever.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:01 (seventeen years ago) link

dan, seriously, I should make you a Miami edit mix. They hired Omar and Chep sometimes, but there was basically a school down there (not literally) based around Phil Jones and Bob Rosenberg (who later started the group Will to Power).

Kevin "Boy Wonder" Fluornoy (who we now know as Life) and his apprentice Crash were the Whiz Kids, while their rivals were Albie Nieves and Felix Sama aka The Bladerunners. Everything they touched, they destroyed.

Ask Life about Phil and Bob they next time you cross paths. This is the height of this stuff, and he was not only there for it, but a key player.

― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Please make that mix.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

seconded!

― j blount (papa la bas), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:31 (seventeen years ago) link

(of course this is all in the opposite vein of which Mike started this thread with...lord knows that I get where he's coming from. I danced to a set by a highly regarded beardo disco dj who played a homemade edited dub of Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy, one of my fave songs ever, and I kept waiting for ANYTHING TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN 7 MINUTES OF THE INTRO NON-STOP)

yeah, yeah, I've been told, some people have made good ones, whatever that means...

― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Most new school DJ's =/= music arrangers

― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:37 (seventeen years ago) link

that is one hell of an intro though....

but the rest of the song is great too!

TS: Edits that extend the cool instrumental parts in addition to the fun pop song parts vs Edits that Extend the cool instrumental parts to the exclusion of the fun pop song parts

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 18:51 (seventeen years ago) link

thirded! after multiple xposts

― boo berry (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:07 (seventeen years ago) link

so, uh, whose gonna grab it form me off of slsk and spread it irl?

― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:08 (seventeen years ago) link

if you make this, perhaps it will finally be the impetus i need to start a record label

― boo berry (dubplatestyle), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:10 (seventeen years ago) link

haha, threadstarter back to thread (and turntable repairman to my home)

If anyone is in NYC today, I'm DJ'ing at Savalas tonight with another Miami style DJ (Egg Foo Young of Secret Frequency Crew)

― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:14 (seventeen years ago) link

you can always record it at my house, dude. You know I've got fancy cartridges and high-end audio interface fun. And if you fuck up the mixing, we can just chop it up in the computer, nobody will notice, machine gun edits every 20 seconds!

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:18 (seventeen years ago) link

pshhaw! me?! fuck up mixing?!

― PappaWheelie burried Paul. The clues are there man! (PappaWheelie 2), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:19 (seventeen years ago) link

actually, maybe it shouldn't be mixed, all cuts.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 29 September 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

instead of edits have PW big up certain cities then burst REWwwind the reel to reel tape

― mr. brojangles (sanskrit), Friday, 29 September 2006 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Hey, I just got that 'Thank You Arthur' Editions Disco thing. Now, THAT is great.

It's totally different to the version of Go bang that you know, but rather than extending the beat-led sections of the 24-24-music version, it takes the snatches of vocals from that and turns it into a pop song. It kind of reminds me of the Velvets (with Mo Tucker singing) and The Eels, bizarrely. It's great.

The B-side is meh.

I want to get the Cowboys and Gangsters one. Has anyone heard that?

― Jamie T Smith (Jamie T Smith), Saturday, 30 September 2006 07:01 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Think Ableton Live would be suited for doing some of the hijack/edit type stuff described here?

― yours fondly, harshaw. (mrgn), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I just assumed that almost all of it was done in Live!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

or just get one audio editor, obviously.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.discogs.com/release/68347
Why doesn't Greg Wilson get mentioned more often. His 'Credit to the Edit' series is great, as well as the release I linked above. I believed he creates his using records and turntables, as well as the reel to reel.

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:37 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Ailx.wh3rd.net+%22greg+wilson

― Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I stand corrected

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anybody still create live edits using two copyies of the same record anymore?

― Jacobs (LolVStein), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link

This is what you want for the Mac. Really really responsive developers who are always improving it. It's like SoundDesigner II or SoundEdit 16 but better. BELIEVE.

http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/wave_editor.php

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:23 (seventeen years ago) link

some people love ableton because it's easier to quantize the audio, something some DAWs can do now, others have complained that it takes some of the funk out of the originals.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 23:29 (seventeen years ago) link

three months pass...

http://infohost.nmt.edu/~mlindsey/asimov/question.htm

― the kwisatz bacharach (sanskrit), Saturday, 3 February 2007 01:17 (seventeen years ago) link

two months pass...

(of course this is all in the opposite vein of which Mike started this thread with...lord knows that I get where he's coming from. I danced to a set by a highly regarded beardo disco dj who played a homemade edited dub of Annie, I'm Not Your Daddy, one of my fave songs ever, and I kept waiting for ANYTHING TO HAPPEN OTHER THAN 7 MINUTES OF THE INTRO NON-STOP)

haha, this edit was just posted on lovefingers!

― Michael F Gill, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:41 (seventeen years ago) link

haha. i don't mean to call him out because i've met him a few times and we've emailed a bit and he's a pretty nice guy, but that's funny. here's an exchange of ours.

me: I'm not too sure what I make of edits really. I mean I really dig them when they turn a non dance track into a more danceable version - like that Rub-n-Tug Chicago thing, but when someone takes an already dancey track and just loops the intro a bit, kinda suspect.

him: I am not huge on edits either, mostly because there are so many shit ones, but a lot of otherwise great tracks are stuffed with shitty bridges and vocals and stuff that can just be eliminated, imo. Not really a big fan of super repetative hypnotic disco loops tho

― jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:52 (seventeen years ago) link

i actually just listened to that annie edit and it was kinda neat. a bit repetitive, but it actually did things. kinda like something a french filter house producer would do w/a sample.

― jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:54 (seventeen years ago) link

BUT THE VOCALS ON ANNIE ARE THE BEST PART, THEY'RE SO FUNNY!

― dan selzer, Friday, 6 April 2007 04:56 (seventeen years ago) link

(pssst, to any canadian readers ... mike simonetti is djing in montreal on fri apr 6th, for poussez! poussez! at zoo bizarre and in toronto on saturday apr 7th, for seventh heaven in the white orchid basement)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/shackedup/flyerposter.jpg

― jaime, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:12 (seventeen years ago) link

i made this:

Brian Ice - Over Again (Catch & Release edit)

:)

― The Macallan 18 Year, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:25 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.chloesevigny.com/chloe_pictures/01_russian_pg95.jpg

― jaxon, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:30 (seventeen years ago) link

chloe sux!

also....

the next big thing? Bits-n-pieces style compilations of the latest dancefloor hits! Only the best part of the latest records spliced together, 20 songs per side, all wheat, no chaffe. Lots of machine-gun edits.

-- Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 11 June 2006 12:51 (9 months ago)

didn't lots of people make these kindsa medleys in the late 70's and part of the 80's?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/shackedup/METRCD082.jpg

a friend of mine recently commented that seeing diplo and dj's of that ilk these days is "like having a stars on 45 record shit all over your good time".

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:56 (seventeen years ago) link

I think I was kidding, though maybe I want the machine-gun edits. Spent the afternoon listening to John Rocca singles.

Generally, when it comes to all the hip new stuff, new music, new DJs, the Stars on 45 aspect is what gets the most annoying, there's no ups and downs, no dynamics. Ugh, I've complained enough about this already.

― dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:13 (seventeen years ago) link

remember those "remix" records that would just add some lame beat to a black crowes song or something? i remember those.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:20 (seventeen years ago) link

(dan ...) yeah i figured you were prolly kidding ... but it's kinda actually what's happening now. was talking to this kid who was saying he was making a mix where he wouldn't play any more than 30 secs of a song and my girlfriend and i were like ... uhh? jive bunny? stars on 45? disco medleys? but 19 and 20 yr olds have no frame of reference for that. they don't even have a frame of reference for shit that happened 2 years ago. they JUST started going out.

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:23 (seventeen years ago) link

remember those "remix" records that would just add some lame beat to a black crowes song or something? i remember those.

-- scott seward, Friday, April 6, 2007 9:20 PM (3 minutes ago)

people still do that. white stripes? wolfmother? etc?

i seem to recall reading something on dj history about a cheesy big club remix of 'eurodans'. which is sort of hilarious.

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:26 (seventeen years ago) link

can you still buy bootleg ready-made mixes of the current top/hit rap hitz all mixed together and remixed? on vinyl? in philly you could buy those at Funk-O-Rama and other stores.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:39 (seventeen years ago) link

readymades for the party dj. this was years ago. but i assume they still exist.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:40 (seventeen years ago) link

i started a thread about the spam i get about french edit parties/nights and i listened to one of can's mother sky and it was so bad. so bad that i didn't listen to any of the other ones.

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:44 (seventeen years ago) link

at least they don't tell you : Penis Enlarge Patch will make your dick big enough to play football on it.

― jaxon, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:46 (seventeen years ago) link

scott, you're talking about d.i.r.t.y and the pilooski edit of can, right? I don't always keep up but there was something I just downloaded from them that I dug.

and how soon we forget the Trevor Jackson mix, not the Playgroup DJ kicks (which is one of my faves) but the other one that was no more then like 20 seconds of every classic early 80s dance cut. I never got a copy of it but it was a trainspotters dream (or nightmare).

My issue with the idea of cutting out the "boring" bits is that it plays right into where a lot of these kids are coming from, which is the dance rock kind of context where everything is so high energy (volume-wise, not Patrick Cowley-wise) and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc.

― dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:34 (seventeen years ago) link

My issue with the idea of cutting out the "boring" bits is that it plays right into where a lot of these kids are coming from, which is the dance rock kind of context where everything is so high energy (volume-wise, not Patrick Cowley-wise) and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc.

-- dan selzer, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:34 (9 hours ago)

i agree wholeheartedly with this.

can you still buy bootleg ready-made mixes of the current top/hit rap hitz all mixed together and remixed? on vinyl? in philly you could buy those at Funk-O-Rama and other stores.

-- scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:39 (15 hours ago)

readymades for the party dj. this was years ago. but i assume they still exist.

-- scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:40 (15 hours ago)

there was a bit of a shitstorm here in toronto surrounding these kids who were using their own premixes for parties.

it sort of plays into dan's comment about there being no subtleties of mood or feeling that people can do this and sorta get away with it. the only feeling is UP UP UP. plus the technology makes it so much easier to put whatever 20 corny gimmicky songs together at home.

how do you all feel about bands doing covers a la mountain of one "can't be serious" or glass candy "miss broadway"?

i saw soulwax do their live band thing and it was much like their dj sets where there were tiny bits and pieces of songs quickly spliced into their own material. it was interesting to see, but a bit soul-less i think.

― jaime, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:42 (seventeen years ago) link

"and so fist-pumping that it lacks any subtlety or suprise or variety or dynamics etc etc."

isn't that what "young people" want though? that repetition of the money shot over and over. not just in dance music either. but there too. 20,000 Dutch gabber fans can't be wrong!

(i like it too, by the way. mostly for nullification of the self/religious reasons.)

― scott seward, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link

think this might have something to do with the resurgence in cocaine use?

― BATTAGS, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

scott, you're talking about d.i.r.t.y and the pilooski edit of can, right? I don't always keep up but there was something I just downloaded from them that I dug.

I get those emails too, the Can one is probably the worst one. I like the JJ Cale, Frankie Valli, Human Beinz the best.

― dmr, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link

Mike Simonetti of TMU?

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Saturday, 7 April 2007 23:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Yes.

― dan selzer, Sunday, 8 April 2007 06:42 (seventeen years ago) link

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