― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:14 (seventeen years ago) link
How does that make it worse? If a small group of people who didn't know or care that Kazakhstan existed before now have an incorrect view of it - who was harmed? They never would have patronized Kazakhstan and its industry, nor are they in a position to guide policy toward Kazakhstan. For all intents and purposes, Kazakhstan is as real to them as Hobbitland.
― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:17 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:19 (seventeen years ago) link
― Onimo (GerryNemo), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link
but i am waiting for "All your base are belong to us" or "Wazzzzup" or "I wuz fuckin' mah momma!" whatever to become the new "I'm Rick James, bitch".
xpost
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Allyzay (allyzay), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:57 (seventeen years ago) link
― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 19 October 2006 03:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Thursday, 19 October 2006 07:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link
maybe it's cause it was so ridiculous that you know that his attitudes were exaggerated and untrue and maybe because at some point, you realize that many of the americans he meets are keeping pace with his character's fucked up attitudes... and kind of half wondering, "are these people for real or are they actors?" and even if they are actors, you know the attitudes they're expressing are completely real... unlike the exaggeration cohen's playing.
m.
― msp (mspa), Monday, 23 October 2006 04:18 (seventeen years ago) link
One person who is likely to regret the day he met Borat is Tennessee rodeo manager Bobby Rowe, who is cajoled by the comedian into making disparaging remarks about Muslims and homosexuals.
A phone call to Mr Rowe and an enquiry about whether he is the person in the movie elicits a slow, painful reply: "Yeah, I'm the same one."
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 11:41 (seventeen years ago) link
"And so I don't do any interviews over the dadgum phone any more. This phone rings 10-12 phones a day.
Cohen must have struggled to make this guy look stupid.
― ONIMO's lips can't feel! (GerryNemo), Monday, 23 October 2006 12:12 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:10 (seventeen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:23 (seventeen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:32 (seventeen years ago) link
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:41 (seventeen years ago) link
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Monday, 23 October 2006 22:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― cocksure triumphalism at its most vacant (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 23 October 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 03:45 (seventeen years ago) link
http://myspace.com/borat
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 13:16 (seventeen years ago) link
FeaturesOctober 24, 2006Beat the PressThe Borat media frenzy begs the question: Will reporters ever quit rolling over for studios?By Lewis Beale
I was talking to a 20th Century Fox publicist last week about Borat: Cultural Learnings of America for Make Benefit Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan, and the conversation wasn't about its alleged anti-Semitism or the way it picks on America's rubes and racists. No, I was wondering if actor/co-writer Sacha Baron Cohen was actually going to do interviews as himself rather than in character, as he's been doing for the past several months. The publicist wanted to know why I asked, and I responded that interviewing Cohen as Borat held absolutely no interest for me.
"It's shtick," I said. "And as a journalist, I'm not interested in promoting shtick. I'd really like to know why he chose Kazakhstan as Borat's home, why all the Jewish stuff is in the film and if he thinks that in many cases, the object of his satire is akin to shooting fish in a barrel."
Said flack was amazed I wasn't interested in a Borat interview; everyone else was dying to query the Kazakh buffoon. (If you don't believe me, read this. And watch a Borat "press conference" here). Which leads to my point: the toadying, craven entertainment press once again shows how it might as well be in the pay of the studios. Someone once said that the term "entertainment journalism" is an oxymoron, and these days, that's more often true than not. The competition for "stories" (I use this term loosely; it's really just a feeding frenzy for access) has become so intense that just about everyone has become a suckup.
Here's the thing: the film industry is a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a global reach. The images it puts out not only define how we see ourselves, but how others see us. Not that you'd know this from most entertainment "reporting," which is obsessed with celebrity, box-office gross and the vapid coming and goings of studio heads and power agents.
Back in the early '80s, when I broke in as a stringer for the Los Angeles Times, things were a lot different. The entertainment section ran stories about how the Mob was reaping millions from Deep Throat; the ways in which the cocaine epidemic was affecting Hollywood; and how the paranoid M.I.A. movies of the period (Rambo and all those cheesy Chuck Norris flicks) were presenting a distorted image of the Vietnam War's aftermath.
Can you imagine stories like those in any arts section in 2006? It's not just that editors and writers seem to be uninterested in real reporting (under the mistaken assumption that readers don't care), there's also the fact that slowly but surely, they've allowed the PR machine to dictate what they write, and even how it gets played.
Don't believe me? Just check out the outlets who will willingly sign legal documents stating that the piece being written, or the photo being shot, can only show up in the publication, Web site, etc. that the interview was scheduled for. In other words: You want the interview, you have to promise you won't sell it to another outlet. You want the photo, you have no resale or syndication rights. In some cases, you have to promise specific placement before you get the access you want.
I don't know of any other beat reporters -- whether they're covering sports, politics, business or what-have-you -- who are forced to sign away their rights. But on the entertainment scene, well, you want disheartening, check out any junket where the Webbies, TV stations, second-tier papers and other alleged journalists blithely troop up to the sign-in table and happily affix their John Hancocks to these documents. It's truly, utterly disgusting (don't even get me started on the sycophantic autograph-seekers, picture-takers and gift bag freebie sluts).
Luckily, I work mostly for outlets who refuse this sort of blackmail. And even though their stance has occasionally cost them stories they haven't backed down. In the last several months, I've had two run-ins of this sort: an interview with a B-level actor was cancelled when the paper I was writing for refused to guarantee a cover, and photos of a 20-year-old semi-unknown were not allowed when the same publication would not sign away their rights. Good for them; it's nice to know there are still some papers with ethical standards.
Which leads me back to Borat. Interviewing an actor in character has as much relationship to real reporting as the Oakland Raiders do to a good football team. It's blatantly crawling up the ass of the studio and giving it a big rimjob. You want to do it? Great. Have a fine time. But don't ever call yourself a reporter, my friend.
― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:46 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:48 (seventeen years ago) link
INTEGRITY
― latebloomer: Veteran of the Mai Tai Massacre (latebloomer), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 15:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― Allyzay Eisenschefter (allyzay), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:57 (seventeen years ago) link
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oh give me a fucking break.
― pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:00 (seventeen years ago) link
What? That isn't true? Don't be naive.
― Andrew (enneff), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:33 (seventeen years ago) link
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2006/10/boratG241006_228x371.jpg
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/img/galleries/borat251006/borat2G_350x271.jpg"I have brought here with me my 11-year-old son, his wife and their new-born baby, who I am hoping to sell to singing transvestite Madonna," he said.
and their review
A little warning: There's some anti-Semitic banter (from Baron Cohen if you please) and male nude wrestling.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 26 October 2006 13:26 (seventeen years ago) link
...earlier this week, 20th Century Fox slashed the number of theaters in which it plans to open Borat domestically to 800 from more than 2000, saying that Middle America has yet to become aware of the character. The film opens on Nov. 2 in the U.S. (and the U.K.).
Are these the same fucks that buried Idiocracy, or was those fucks at another studio?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link
I'll be honest with you, kingfisher, I hadn't heard of Borat until recently.
This summer, a guy in my fantasy baseball league starting posting stuff in his "Talk Smack!" balloon like "Throw the Jew down the well!" The other managers and I went wtf, and started calling him out in the comments section. He backpedaled and said it was from "Borat". Hell, his team's name was "Borat's Ballers". I didn't know what it meant.
NOW, I've heard of the guy, but I wouldn't blame the studio for not giving it a Braveheart IV kind of opening.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Obvious and Idealistic, as that sentiment may be.
― researching ur life (grady), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Fish in a barrel and a little too self-satisfied for my taste, but kind of great nonetheless.
― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link