MIA

1. i think the song is bad
2. because she isnt bringing much worthwhile to the table
3. the way artists i like do
4. this is consistent with how i approach music generally

right, you're consistent about only liking songs that add something you like to what they sample, which is a rare and admirable trait.

i never claimed it was 'rare or admirable' & in fact said as much when i first posted 'i know this is a challop' or whatever. but excellent work trolling

sorry i trolled your challop

meme

will admit the hype made me unable to hear what's good about her for a while, but i recommend throwing arular on sometime with the bass up when you're not feeling resentful about hipsters getting there first. cuz i know it's not amusical thievery from a braggart that's really keeping you from digging it.

and i mean it took a long while. thought kala was a step in the right direction (owning her artschoolness or whatever) until i went back to arular and realized that's a pretty tight, hookfilled dance record.

do u really think that my interest in rappers is 100% about musical thievery from braggarts. there isnt an aspect of artfulness that enters into the performance? that maybe i find MIA lacking on that level?

i'm not saying it's 100% your interest, i'm saying it's apparently not usually a dealbreaker.

i mean the fact that you threw "without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to" at the end of "generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally')" suggests it isn't just that she comes off like an overconfident idiot, but that she doesn't have the RIGHT to come off like one, since she isn't "real."

where personally, once i got over the fact that critics hang on her every underthought word, i realized there's actually quite a bit of artfulness in those beats and hooks.

'authentic' has nothing to do with it -- that sentence is 100% about why i think critics are overrating her. and has nothing to do w/ why she is bad to me personally

and yeah, i basically think theres not much artfulness in those beats and hooks, which is where we disagree obv

(basically i think again u are conflating 'reason deej doesnt like her music' and 'deejs opinion about why other people do')

probably because i also wasn't feeling it when i was spouting the same stuff you are here

ok i may have co-signed GUDNU's first post but i have no idea what all this other shit's about. people think "Paper Planes" has the same drums as "Laffy Taffy"? wtf?

all i know is i don't like her as a vocalist -- as a singer, she sucks, as a rapper, she sucks, as a dancehall-style vocalist, she sucks, even as a genre-busting uncategorizable rebel, she's still just kinda lame imo.

ok i may have co-signed GUDNU's first post but i have no idea what all this other shit's about. people think "Paper Planes" has the same drums as "Laffy Taffy"? wtf?

^^^dog i didnt say this i was quoting rev

or paraphrasing rev

i was using "laffy taffy drums" as a shorthand for saying "snaps are prominently involved in the song, which is why a lot of people find it danceable"

yeah deej i know you didn't say "Laffy Taffy" but 2 people did in a weird matter-of-fact way that made me feel like they actually thought it had drums from that song

I didn't mean they literally came from "Laffy Taffee", just that they were inna similar stylee

yeah i realize that now, but at the time it seemed to be done in the same kind of shorthand with which people were referencing songs actually samples in it like "Straight To Hell" so i was like wahh

people like MIA always make me wonder...what do does she do in her downtime? will she kick back and have a brewski? does she take off her shoes when she goes home? would she say no to a nice bubble bath with lavender scented bath salts?

"liming and drinkin tiger beer with my pet turtel" iirc

kinda feelin for deej on this, tho i like MIA

lol this is so late as to be an irrelevant response, particularly in light of the bitchfest I'm glossing over, but:

as in wrt violence or generally xp?

― nakhchivan, Saturday, May 1, 2010 6:24 PM

Both. The kid getting shot seems shocking mostly because it's a kid and the slo-mo gore explosion wasn't nearly as grisly as I expected it to be based on how it was written up. I thought it told a perfectly fine story with the right mix of misdirection and arbitrariness to allow its message to have the right type of generic impact that allows the so-inclined person to extrapolate its events onto any violent government/terrorist conflict out there.

The fight upthread makes a bunch of assumptions I disagree with, particularly with regards to the definition of musicality; some of M.I.A.'s sloppiness comes from limited vocal talent but at least an equal measure comes from intentional artistic choice (likely informed by the aforementioned limited vocal talent). The way her beats are constructed reeks of magpie reappropriation, sometimes with great effect ("URAQT", "$20", "Paper Planes") and sometimes not ("Jimmy", "Mango Pickle Down River") but I do think the whole is more than the sum of its parts, and I don't actually know what, if any, sources my favorite songs of hers lift from ("Bamboo Banger", "Hombre", "Galang", "XR2", "Bird Flu") so I'm not at all ready to say that that is all she does.

Finally, Ma$e is one of the worst things to ever happen to popular music and if you are using him as a positive example of anything, you are wrong.

Mo M.I.A. Mo Problems

xxxxxxpost.

i actually thought the driving force behind paper planes' success was how it repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song. it was a clever nod to past and present culture.

"Finally, Ma$e is one of the worst things to ever happen to popular music and if you are using him as a positive example of anything, you are wrong."

even if yr being intentionally dramatic this is ridiculous

ma$e was a great pop artist

hes also a good rapper

Kid who gets shot in the video: wkiw

yeah, that kid is awesome

so does anyone know what mia thinks of joanna newsom?

let's ask joni mitchell

Official first single "XXXO":

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00s9wj1

about 25 minutes in.

i actually thought the driving force behind paper planes' success was how it repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song. it was a clever nod to past and present culture.

― Daniel, Esq., Monday, May 3, 2010 2:55 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i feel like way more people IDed that part of the song than the fact that it looped an instrumental bit from a Clash song that wasn't "Rock The Casbah" or "Should I Stay Or Should I Go"

woah the Chemical Brothers track before this is fricken HOT

oh and btw fucking love "XXXO" after 3 seconds

I feel like her pop/accessibility factor ramps up by a factor of 10 with each album she puts out.

Ha - wasn't she just trashing Lady Gaga in a big interview? This sounds like a Lady Gaga b-side. (I liked "Born Free," though).

repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song

never noticed this tbh

xxxo isn't doing much for me, though the "you want me be somebody who i'm really not" hook is great. with becky in liking born free a lot better, though it's main point was that vegarev = god.

is it available in a format that doesn't include me waiting for a podcast to load and skipping forward to 25 minutes in yet?

yeah, "radio rips" variously available. suspect/hope that the official version will sound a lot better.

(xpost) yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbKRwnAYPjI&feature=player_embedded#at=60

thanks

lol "hottest record in the world"

this song is more controversial than 'born free'

The intro is killer, but then the rest sounds kind of meh to me. Also slightly bothered than she doesn't seem to be able to catch up with the lyrics, maybe she should have used less "x"s.

the delayed "-oh"s in the second half of the chorus are obv intentional and are good and cool