MIA

im making a point jordan im not trying to 'school you'

deej, it's not that she didn't add anything (seeing as how you just listed a bunch of things she added), you just didn't like what she added. so saying you're "consistent" about only liking songs that add to the sample is at best meaningless, at worst screwball.

its got some other gimmicks (sound efx, snap drums, whatever folks like about it) that different people can lock onto after being pulled in by the sample

okay even if you're gonna try & wiggle out of this by saying that the WHOLE song boils down to the sample & sound efx, you at least have to realize that mia did things like, you know, choosing the sound efx, placing them in the song, putting them into a context ("all i wanna do is *gunshots*), making sure they work in the song etc

basically, a sample alone is not enough to make me like a song, its gotta have other reasons too, and i dont think they're there on this track the way they are on 'feel so good.'

ovbiously, for other ppl, they are

meanwhile, this song's sample is, imo, the main reason other people really like that song. i have different standards for songs than other people do; in this particular case, i dont think MIA is adding enough, and I suspect lots of other people (many of whom didnt hear the original sample) are probably just happy w/ the sample, just as there are people out there who only know the hook to 'mo money'

deej, it's not that she didn't add anything (seeing as how you just listed a bunch of things she added), you just didn't like what she added. so saying you're "consistent" about only liking songs that add to the sample is at best meaningless, at worst screwball.

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

do i really have to spell things out like this? when i say "i dont think she added anything" i mean 'i dont think she added anything (i liked)' -- i thought that was implied. im sorry if it was unclear.

i certainly wasnt implying that she doesnt sing on the song, if thats what you mean

wait which part of it is "THE SAMPLE"??? essplain to layman pls

deej, this is cracking me up because i think i used to compare you to MC Serch and this is reminding me of how 3rd Bass made that version of "Pop Goes The Weasel" without the stevie hook so you know their glory didn't depend on it.

do i really have to spell things out like this?

it's more that you don't have to talk about your consistency in regards to only liking things you like at all.

hmm the music video was alright but the 'sabotage' mv better

its about 'reasons i like things' not 'that i like things'

surm, youtube 'straight to hell'

ohhhhhhhh

wow!

i know no-one has picked up on it but i would like to address this post i made and one that followed it which i believe has been deleted, correctly i may add:

thank fuck. he's a dull cunt.

― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow)

made some overly angry, ad hominem remarks about the banned and unable to retort whiney. no idea where such ire came from or such douchey behaviour to attack someone who couldn't reply. i apologise to anyone who read it.

irl ashamed.

i like "straight to hell" better than "paper planes" at this moment

^^^

straight to hell is awesome and for a while i always wished i was hearing it instead of paper planes when i heard the intro but i've alternated between that opinion and the opposite.

she took part of a classic song, looped it over a dance beat and made sing-song rhymes about thievery over it. what an overhyped amusical thief!

yeah thats my take basically

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/ironic5.jpg

don't ya think?

not at all, which is why i brought up 'consistency' & i think yr being willfully ignorant

1. i think the song is bad
2. because she isnt bringing much worthwhile to the table
3. the way artists i like do
4. this is consistent with how i approach music generally

right, you're consistent about only liking songs that add something you like to what they sample, which is a rare and admirable trait.

i never claimed it was 'rare or admirable' & in fact said as much when i first posted 'i know this is a challop' or whatever. but excellent work trolling

sorry i trolled your challop

meme

will admit the hype made me unable to hear what's good about her for a while, but i recommend throwing arular on sometime with the bass up when you're not feeling resentful about hipsters getting there first. cuz i know it's not amusical thievery from a braggart that's really keeping you from digging it.

and i mean it took a long while. thought kala was a step in the right direction (owning her artschoolness or whatever) until i went back to arular and realized that's a pretty tight, hookfilled dance record.

do u really think that my interest in rappers is 100% about musical thievery from braggarts. there isnt an aspect of artfulness that enters into the performance? that maybe i find MIA lacking on that level?

i'm not saying it's 100% your interest, i'm saying it's apparently not usually a dealbreaker.

i mean the fact that you threw "without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to" at the end of "generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally')" suggests it isn't just that she comes off like an overconfident idiot, but that she doesn't have the RIGHT to come off like one, since she isn't "real."

where personally, once i got over the fact that critics hang on her every underthought word, i realized there's actually quite a bit of artfulness in those beats and hooks.

'authentic' has nothing to do with it -- that sentence is 100% about why i think critics are overrating her. and has nothing to do w/ why she is bad to me personally

and yeah, i basically think theres not much artfulness in those beats and hooks, which is where we disagree obv

(basically i think again u are conflating 'reason deej doesnt like her music' and 'deejs opinion about why other people do')

probably because i also wasn't feeling it when i was spouting the same stuff you are here

ok i may have co-signed GUDNU's first post but i have no idea what all this other shit's about. people think "Paper Planes" has the same drums as "Laffy Taffy"? wtf?

all i know is i don't like her as a vocalist -- as a singer, she sucks, as a rapper, she sucks, as a dancehall-style vocalist, she sucks, even as a genre-busting uncategorizable rebel, she's still just kinda lame imo.

ok i may have co-signed GUDNU's first post but i have no idea what all this other shit's about. people think "Paper Planes" has the same drums as "Laffy Taffy"? wtf?

^^^dog i didnt say this i was quoting rev

or paraphrasing rev

i was using "laffy taffy drums" as a shorthand for saying "snaps are prominently involved in the song, which is why a lot of people find it danceable"

yeah deej i know you didn't say "Laffy Taffy" but 2 people did in a weird matter-of-fact way that made me feel like they actually thought it had drums from that song

I didn't mean they literally came from "Laffy Taffee", just that they were inna similar stylee

yeah i realize that now, but at the time it seemed to be done in the same kind of shorthand with which people were referencing songs actually samples in it like "Straight To Hell" so i was like wahh

people like MIA always make me wonder...what do does she do in her downtime? will she kick back and have a brewski? does she take off her shoes when she goes home? would she say no to a nice bubble bath with lavender scented bath salts?

"liming and drinkin tiger beer with my pet turtel" iirc

kinda feelin for deej on this, tho i like MIA

lol this is so late as to be an irrelevant response, particularly in light of the bitchfest I'm glossing over, but:

as in wrt violence or generally xp?

― nakhchivan, Saturday, May 1, 2010 6:24 PM

Both. The kid getting shot seems shocking mostly because it's a kid and the slo-mo gore explosion wasn't nearly as grisly as I expected it to be based on how it was written up. I thought it told a perfectly fine story with the right mix of misdirection and arbitrariness to allow its message to have the right type of generic impact that allows the so-inclined person to extrapolate its events onto any violent government/terrorist conflict out there.

The fight upthread makes a bunch of assumptions I disagree with, particularly with regards to the definition of musicality; some of M.I.A.'s sloppiness comes from limited vocal talent but at least an equal measure comes from intentional artistic choice (likely informed by the aforementioned limited vocal talent). The way her beats are constructed reeks of magpie reappropriation, sometimes with great effect ("URAQT", "$20", "Paper Planes") and sometimes not ("Jimmy", "Mango Pickle Down River") but I do think the whole is more than the sum of its parts, and I don't actually know what, if any, sources my favorite songs of hers lift from ("Bamboo Banger", "Hombre", "Galang", "XR2", "Bird Flu") so I'm not at all ready to say that that is all she does.

Finally, Ma$e is one of the worst things to ever happen to popular music and if you are using him as a positive example of anything, you are wrong.

Mo M.I.A. Mo Problems

xxxxxxpost.

i actually thought the driving force behind paper planes' success was how it repurposed the lyrics from that wrecks-n-effect song. it was a clever nod to past and present culture.