MIA

Well, it's impossible to isolate the catchiness from its patchwork nature: she's lifted from two or three different sources, which coincides with the miscellaneous agitprop that are her lyrics.

lol i didn't realize even strawman college liberals listen to times new viking

deej i think your main problem is that you're trying to talk about a song that went billboard top 10 and you're ignoring, for instance, the chorus

I thought Titus Andronicus was their thing now.

you're just being an idiot -- "paper planes" relies on the sample as much (and less!) as tons of just blaze/kanye records do

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:12 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

i agree. you're still not understanding the point dude. im arguing why i dont like MIA, not why i dont like sampling or something. im saying that her good songs are a waste of a good beat/hook

i imagine for many people i know it's the line with the gunshots that really sells this song

"fun to shoot along to chorus"

if only she was as musical and hype-free as gucci

It's her vocal that does it for me: sad yet detached.

i agree. you're still not understanding the point dude. im arguing why i dont like MIA, not why i dont like sampling or something. im saying that her good songs are a waste of a good beat/hook

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:17 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not talking about why you like things -- you're making valid arguments in that regard that i TOTALLY AGREE WITH -- i'm talking about your assertions re: why OTHER people like "paper planes"

Alf otm

"sad and detached" is why i love cassie so much. sorry derailing.

deej usually when people say "this song adds something to the sample and this one doesn't" they DON'T just mean "i like this one and i don't like that one." because those two phrases don't mean the same thing.

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i agree -- if you think i dont, you're misunderstanding me. im not trying to make universal rules here when i mention 'consistency' -- its not like im setting up some rockist system BEFORE i hear a song -- i listen to a song, i like it or dont, i try to express why. this is exactly what im doing -- why dont i love this MIA single as much as other people do? its got a catchy beat, sampling a song i like, and if it had a good rapper/singer/someone worthwhile over it, id probably like it.

i agree. you're still not understanding the point dude. im arguing why i dont like MIA, not why i dont like sampling or something. im saying that her good songs are a waste of a good beat/hook

― Gifted Unlimited Display Names Universal (deej), Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:17 PM (0 seconds ago) Bookmark

i'm not talking about why you like things -- you're making valid arguments in that regard that i TOTALLY AGREE WITH -- i'm talking about your assertions re: why OTHER people like "paper planes"

― J0rdan S., Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:18 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ok, you're conflating things.

1. REASONS WHY PAPER PLANS IS POPULAR, IMO
sample does a lot of heavy lifting
its got some other gimmicks (sound efx, snap drums, whatever folks like about it) that different people can lock onto after being pulled in by the sample

2. REASONS I DONT LIKE PAPER PLANES THAT MUCH
i like the sample
the gimmicks dont particularly draw me in, nor do the reasons you guys mention in this thread -- im not impressed by gunshot efx (if anything they put me off on this one), i dont get anything out of 'ringsnap drums' on the track, i dont think her melody is engaging, etc.

i dont think ppl would love the song w/out that sample in teh background, snap drums & gunshot effects or no (in fact, i have some mixtapes with both snap drums and gunshot effects you guys can listen to if you want)

& they also have dude from D4L who is imo a better melodic artist

wait, i'm not the one conflating things

yeah school me on fabo please

im making a point jordan im not trying to 'school you'

deej, it's not that she didn't add anything (seeing as how you just listed a bunch of things she added), you just didn't like what she added. so saying you're "consistent" about only liking songs that add to the sample is at best meaningless, at worst screwball.

its got some other gimmicks (sound efx, snap drums, whatever folks like about it) that different people can lock onto after being pulled in by the sample

okay even if you're gonna try & wiggle out of this by saying that the WHOLE song boils down to the sample & sound efx, you at least have to realize that mia did things like, you know, choosing the sound efx, placing them in the song, putting them into a context ("all i wanna do is *gunshots*), making sure they work in the song etc

basically, a sample alone is not enough to make me like a song, its gotta have other reasons too, and i dont think they're there on this track the way they are on 'feel so good.'

ovbiously, for other ppl, they are

meanwhile, this song's sample is, imo, the main reason other people really like that song. i have different standards for songs than other people do; in this particular case, i dont think MIA is adding enough, and I suspect lots of other people (many of whom didnt hear the original sample) are probably just happy w/ the sample, just as there are people out there who only know the hook to 'mo money'

deej, it's not that she didn't add anything (seeing as how you just listed a bunch of things she added), you just didn't like what she added. so saying you're "consistent" about only liking songs that add to the sample is at best meaningless, at worst screwball.

― da croupier, Sunday, May 2, 2010 10:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

do i really have to spell things out like this? when i say "i dont think she added anything" i mean 'i dont think she added anything (i liked)' -- i thought that was implied. im sorry if it was unclear.

i certainly wasnt implying that she doesnt sing on the song, if thats what you mean

wait which part of it is "THE SAMPLE"??? essplain to layman pls

deej, this is cracking me up because i think i used to compare you to MC Serch and this is reminding me of how 3rd Bass made that version of "Pop Goes The Weasel" without the stevie hook so you know their glory didn't depend on it.

do i really have to spell things out like this?

it's more that you don't have to talk about your consistency in regards to only liking things you like at all.

hmm the music video was alright but the 'sabotage' mv better

its about 'reasons i like things' not 'that i like things'

surm, youtube 'straight to hell'

ohhhhhhhh

wow!

i know no-one has picked up on it but i would like to address this post i made and one that followed it which i believe has been deleted, correctly i may add:

thank fuck. he's a dull cunt.

― Times New Excels At (jim in glasgow)

made some overly angry, ad hominem remarks about the banned and unable to retort whiney. no idea where such ire came from or such douchey behaviour to attack someone who couldn't reply. i apologise to anyone who read it.

irl ashamed.

i like "straight to hell" better than "paper planes" at this moment

^^^

straight to hell is awesome and for a while i always wished i was hearing it instead of paper planes when i heard the intro but i've alternated between that opinion and the opposite.

she took part of a classic song, looped it over a dance beat and made sing-song rhymes about thievery over it. what an overhyped amusical thief!

yeah thats my take basically

http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/photos/uncategorized/ironic5.jpg

don't ya think?

not at all, which is why i brought up 'consistency' & i think yr being willfully ignorant

1. i think the song is bad
2. because she isnt bringing much worthwhile to the table
3. the way artists i like do
4. this is consistent with how i approach music generally

right, you're consistent about only liking songs that add something you like to what they sample, which is a rare and admirable trait.

i never claimed it was 'rare or admirable' & in fact said as much when i first posted 'i know this is a challop' or whatever. but excellent work trolling

sorry i trolled your challop

meme

will admit the hype made me unable to hear what's good about her for a while, but i recommend throwing arular on sometime with the bass up when you're not feeling resentful about hipsters getting there first. cuz i know it's not amusical thievery from a braggart that's really keeping you from digging it.

and i mean it took a long while. thought kala was a step in the right direction (owning her artschoolness or whatever) until i went back to arular and realized that's a pretty tight, hookfilled dance record.

do u really think that my interest in rappers is 100% about musical thievery from braggarts. there isnt an aspect of artfulness that enters into the performance? that maybe i find MIA lacking on that level?

i'm not saying it's 100% your interest, i'm saying it's apparently not usually a dealbreaker.

i mean the fact that you threw "without actually having to listen to the stuff that 'poor ppl of color' are listening to" at the end of "generic screechy fauxmaican AMUSICAL hollering that is supposed to signify a bunch of trumped up political b.s. that, as loyal young liberals, we're supposed to feel solidarity with ('poor ppl of color, internationally')" suggests it isn't just that she comes off like an overconfident idiot, but that she doesn't have the RIGHT to come off like one, since she isn't "real."