LOL yeah, i'm a moron...the divorce is his parents' obv.
― ^ban with extreme prejudice (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 04:12 (fifteen years ago) link
hey abbott: they're using 'eye' for the watchmen (?? i think?? i was watching a whole bunch of previews on hulu).
also: curtis' description of PI otm
― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 04:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Not "Eye" -- the slow version of "The End is the Beginning" etc.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 November 2008 05:42 (fifteen years ago) link
duh i'm an idiot - for some reason i always get those two songs mixed up
i think 'eye' is on rotten apples?
― undiscovered cuntry (Rubyredd), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 06:03 (fifteen years ago) link
eye is on the lost highway sdtrk, i think
― ^ban with extreme prejudice (Drugs A. Money), Tuesday, 4 November 2008 18:46 (fifteen years ago) link
this is on my top 15 alltime albums list...PI's only flaw = no drown or glynis
― Hipster Loser-Loser (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 7 December 2008 21:52 (fifteen years ago) link
I really can't believe I've only now actually sat down and listened to this album - good lord is it great. Starla! Pissant! Everything else! Great great great, and a huge treat. I love getting around to good albums by beloved bands fairly late, it's like this surprise treasure trove.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
I had forgotten this even existed. Will definitely give it a try.
― kingkongvsgodzilla, Tuesday, 10 November 2009 15:01 (fourteen years ago) link
yea this album is a comforting thing for me. i put it on sundays sometimes when you need that caress followed by asskicking to shake off the saturday [soothe frailandbedazzled]
― slowcoreenactsfrustrationdoubtandevenfearofneverbeingfulfilled (jdchurchill), Tuesday, 10 November 2009 19:40 (fourteen years ago) link
listening to this jam atm
― captayn cronch (crüt), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:38 (thirteen years ago) link
got me a raygun, got me an altitude
― captayn cronch (crüt), Thursday, 2 December 2010 09:54 (thirteen years ago) link
this was either fourth I think on my all-time metal ballot
― some hills are never seen (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 16 January 2011 05:31 (thirteen years ago) link
either
I was full of shit five years ago btw...Soma is a classic song; there's quite a few of those on SD (other ones: Quiet, Rocket, Today, Hummer). I still don't like Cherub Rock or Disarm or Spaceboy/Silverfuck, but that still leaves enough on SD to make up a pretty decent album...
― some hills are never seen (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 16 January 2011 06:04 (thirteen years ago) link
has anyone heard the bonus disc? is it worth checking out?
― billstevejim, Thursday, 19 July 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
Its definitely worth checking out, there's a lot of great stuff. However, if you were an obsessive back in the 90s, there isn't a whole ton of new material. It's cleaned up and much cripser than the original demos that were floating around (Real Time demos, the WZRD stuff, etc). You've got the "Cinnamn Girl", "Jackie Blue", and "Venus in Furs" covers, cleaned up "By June", "Glynis" (from No Alternative), and other pretty well shared stuff. The only real revelation to my ears was the 15 minute studio demo, "Why Am I So Tired", which sounds great.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 19 July 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
Pitchfork's review is, er, smashing.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2012 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
lol, it is great to see people still stanning for the classic material despite the trainwreck the band is now.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 19 July 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
I totally need to get this
― that one guy (loves laboured breathing), Thursday, 19 July 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link
"Whirl" is the one that most impressed me today.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
It's definitely not up there with Gish, Siamese Dream or Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness, but then I wouldn't have ever expected it to be. It's definitely as far from dud as you can possibly get without reaching classic.
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 20 July 2012 01:35 (eleven years ago) link
Got my copy earlier in the week, will be giving it all a proper ear this weekend. The cassette demo's good fun to see.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 01:42 (eleven years ago) link
bummer there isn't more siamese dream outtake material, like cleaned up versions of some of those demos that leaked a few years ago. the heavier "set the ray to jerry" for example
― windjammer voyage (blank), Friday, 20 July 2012 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
The only real revelation to my ears was the 15 minute studio demo, "Why Am I So Tired", which sounds great.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, July 19, 2012 6:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hasn't this already been released on Earphoria, or is it a different take?
― The Jupiter 8 (Turrican), Friday, 20 July 2012 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
You know, I'm not sure if its the same or not. That track never played on my copy of Earphoria for some reason, it would always skip from the day I bought it, so I'm not sure I ever heard the full thing.
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 July 2012 03:00 (eleven years ago) link
Liner notes seem to indicate it's the same. Similarly "Slunk" is the Japanese TV performance from said collection as well. Kinda odd that those are thrown in as ringers, I agree.
Just listened to/ripped the cassette demo. Might be my copy but "Jennifer Ever" sounds kinda muddy as does "East" for halfway through, when it suddenly and clearly brightens up for the rest of the tape.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 03:30 (eleven years ago) link
That I couldn't confirm either because, as I learned last night, I no longer have a single way in my house to listen to cassettes. Ha. Still love that that was included though!
― heated debate over derpy hooves (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 20 July 2012 03:51 (eleven years ago) link
In the absence of that
http://thepumpkins.net/music/647-music-quiet-and-other-songs
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 04:54 (eleven years ago) link
Meantime, as I just posted on the Frogs thread, here's their take on Pumpkins songs from a 1997 rehearsal:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL345D3F4CAFD406A5&feature=edit_ok
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2012 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
love that version of Rhinoceros
― mississippi joan hart (crüt), Friday, 20 July 2012 05:52 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that version is great
― that one guy (loves laboured breathing), Friday, 20 July 2012 13:40 (eleven years ago) link
(seventeen years ago)
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:32 (six years ago) link
is it still your fave?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 22 September 2017 04:56 (six years ago) link
yes
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 22 September 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnjegcYZVfs
Hadn't listened to that song in years and got goosebumps the whole way through. Thanks for the thread bump, Curtis. I'm gonna have to dive back into PI. Starla has my favorite Corgan guitar and Blew Away is maybe James' best song.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:34 (six years ago) link
Hello Kitty Kat is an awesome song, so brutal, & it came very close to being on Siamese Dream (in place of or after Quiet iirc). the promo cassettes of SD have Hello Kitty Kat on them, and it's a different mix than the one on PI.
record rules, still stunning what a prolific & consistently great songwriter Billy was in the Pumpkins' prime
― flappy bird, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:35 (six years ago) link
xp yeah Blew Away is the only James song that I listen to (somewhat) regularly. The Boy is pretty cool too - here's a sick live version from a Starchildren show from June 1994. it's a lot faster than the one on TAFH: https://archive.org/details/tsp1994-06-18.shn/tsp1994-06-18t04.shn - also there's a pretty sweet cover of Cars. that's a cool show. early version of Here is No Why, too.
― flappy bird, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:37 (six years ago) link
Neither classic or dud, but has some stunning must-hear moments on it.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Friday, 22 September 2017 05:51 (six years ago) link
Damn, the outro to Obscured is so gorgeous.
― Fetchboy, Friday, 22 September 2017 05:55 (six years ago) link
Ahhh, "Whir"....still gorgeous and the lyrics have meant different things to me as I've gotten older.
― Sam Weller, Friday, 22 September 2017 09:39 (six years ago) link
Yeah, 'Whir' is easily one of my favourites. That and 'Frail and Bedazzled' ...
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Saturday, 23 September 2017 09:51 (six years ago) link
speaking of which
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bcvnO-rvjA
― flappy bird, Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:18 (six years ago) link
Yep still the best one
― constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 24 September 2017 04:57 (six years ago) link
Yeah, incredible how Billy was not only prolific, but kept hitting the mark with almost every song he wrote in the '90s. At some point the quality control went and he just became prolific.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Sunday, 24 September 2017 05:29 (six years ago) link
even the songs he threw away were brilliant, "Methusela" being the best example.
― flappy bird, Sunday, 24 September 2017 12:54 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JufC-dp5Sw
― flappy bird, Sunday, 14 April 2019 06:23 (five years ago) link
Cool album IMO
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Sunday, 14 April 2019 06:42 (five years ago) link
Browsing at Amoeba, I came across a sealed copy of the deluxe reissue (2CD / 1DVD) for $18.98, and bought it on a whim. Did I do good?
― get your hand outta my pocket universe (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:05 (four years ago) link
It's worth the price for 'Frail and Bedazzled' and 'Starla' alone!
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Tuesday, 4 June 2019 21:15 (four years ago) link
Try to Corgan form, though, the version on the Deluxe Edition box isn't the original.
Don't have it in front of me to a/b, but I recall (besides taking all the air out if the mix) it has added, louder, seemingly current/more nasal vocalizations from Corgan, and I recall more noodly soloing?
― Soundslike, Monday, 22 August 2022 12:39 (one year ago) link
Oh, huh, I’ll have to check out the No Alternative version… I always saw that comp around, but never heard it / knew what was on it.
― Panda bear, my gentle friend (morrisp), Monday, 22 August 2022 14:17 (one year ago) link
(Is the version of “Bye June” different from the take on Lull? I’d have to dig the EP out to a/b, which feels like werk. The liner notes for both songs say “Ignoffo Sessions,” I dunno what that means…)
― Panda bear, my gentle friend (morrisp), Monday, 22 August 2022 14:19 (one year ago) link
Oh, "Unseen Power of the Picket Fence" was on No Alternative, right before the Pumpkins song? That's really funny.
― Panda bear, my gentle friend (morrisp), Monday, 22 August 2022 15:43 (one year ago) link
Is there a thread yet for "When a b-sides comp is their best album?"
― billstevejim, Monday, 22 August 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link
It's impressive how "Starla" not only remains engaging for 11 mins., but feels like it's "just ramping up" when it cuts off... not an easy trick to pull with a track of that length (all the chord changes in the final gtr-wank section help with that illusion, I think).
― Chavez video on MTV, July 1995 (morrisp), Wednesday, 18 October 2023 22:24 (six months ago) link