Oh boy, ILX! That's where I'm a viking!..?

dyao, i don't think it's necessarily racist to point out that a non-native speaker of english might be more prone to pick up the meaning of a joke in an english programme incorrectly. seriously, after 700 posts it was an avenue that probably had gone unasked for quite a while.

i'm not assuming anything about your level of english, and i know from years of arguing nonsense with him that tuomas's is excellent, even if i think he's a master troll.

Anyway, it's May Day, a big drinking festival here in Finland, sadly I have to leave this thread in order to party some. I probably won't be on the net before Sunday, it'll be interesting to see whether the debate is still going on then.

(several x-posts)

results of other internet poll

"I dream I'm a viking" (171) 64.77%
"I'm a champion sleeper" (93) 35.23%

― nagl that's where ur a viking (cozen), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 16:42

Now at:
"I dream I'm a viking" (183) 65.59%
"I'm a champion sleeper" (96) 34.41%

so 13-3 to the Bs since Cozen posted the link.

uh 12-3

can we do "is goofy a dog or cow?" next

omg YES

ilx is gonna get fewer a voters than that I bet

by Sunday you'll be able to tell us how important the 15% or 25% of votes sharing your opinion are (xpost)

dyao, i don't think it's necessarily racist to point out that a non-native speaker of english might be more prone to pick up the meaning of a joke in an english programme incorrectly. seriously, after 700 posts it was an avenue that probably had gone unasked for quite a while.

i'm not assuming anything about your level of english, and i know from years of arguing nonsense with him that tuomas's is excellent, even if i think he's a master troll.

― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, April 30, 2010 10:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

it's not the whole native/non-native distinction that bothers me (the more correct term that I think everybody is fishing for is fluency) it's the insinuation that if you're not part of a culture your judgments about that culture are open to being considered less valid & less correct. imo tuomas is fluent, native-level, and obviously spends a lot of time interacting w/ american culture, and to attack his argument based on the grounds that he is from Finland is pretty ethnocentric if you ask me

hyvää vappua, Tuomas!

"that's where I'm a 'champion' " just sounds like a borderline nonsensical malapropism

so wait it's the phrasing in itself that's odd not just the fact that "viking" is not a granted metaphor for being good at something? all this time i thought the latter was the argument here

he also is known for being the dude who asks stuff like "why are there so many helicopters in america?'

i'm not saying that's the reason you guys are wrong. i'm saying it's interesting enough to be worth mentioning that the 2 biggest vikings of option A have that in common. i said it, there's not much more to say imo, but you can continue to dwell on it and pontificate on what kind of person that makes me if you like.

dyao is american, some dude

it's the insinuation that if you're not part of a culture your judgments about that culture are open to being considered less valid & less correct.

see, i'll actually not agree with you there. this is actually a 'right or wrong' issue imo, so not all judgements are 360-degrees valid.

imo tuomas is fluent, native-level, and obviously spends a lot of time interacting w/ american culture, and to attack his argument based on the grounds that he is from Finland is pretty ethnocentric if you ask me

read ur blogs, mayne. read ur blogs. I'm not gonna talk about Tuomas like he's not here, and imo he's a total viking of ILX, but he's got huge amounts of previous in not getting fairly simple/well accepted concepts that very few others of ANY culture struggle with.

"that's where I'm a 'champion' " just sounds like a borderline nonsensical malapropism

so wait it's the phrasing in itself that's odd not just the fact that "viking" is not a granted metaphor for being good at something? all this time i thought the latter was the argument here

― sonderangerbot, Friday, April 30, 2010 11:04 AM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the latter is the main argument, but I'm just saying even if you try to wrap your head around the metaphor thing, actually looking at the sentence that way is pretty sketchy. you think we can't dissect this thing on more than one level after 1k posts?

dyao makes a very valid point; Tuomas's fluency is better than many Americans

that doesn't mean his interpretation makes the slightest lick of sense tho

so wait it's the phrasing in itself that's odd not just the fact that "viking" is not a granted metaphor for being good at something? all this time i thought the latter was the argument here

every tribe here is made up of a myriad of villages, some more sensible than others

xp: holy lol are ppl actually buying the "English is not dyao's first language" thing????? shine on you crazy thread

Yeah, I mean, you may as well just throw me out of the discussion too - - - I was born in Florida and did my book-learnin' in pathetic, backwards, non-fluent Georgia, so obviously I could have no legitimate opinion on the content of "The Simpsons," a show written by Ivy Leaguers and then broadcast to an audience of millions and millions of Americans and Finns. But maybe someone can review my past posting history and find proof that actually I do deserve the right to an opinion on a cartoon show.

iatee i know nothing about dyao, i based my comment on Tuomas saying he was a non-native English speaker before someone pointed out that that's apparently not correct.

read ur blogs, mayne. read ur blogs. I'm not gonna talk about Tuomas like he's not here, and imo he's a total viking of ILX, but he's got huge amounts of previous in not getting fairly simple/well accepted concepts that very few others of ANY culture struggle with.

― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, April 30, 2010 11:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

I've lurked here for some years and have always felt Tuomas gets the short end of the stick so, remembering scratching my head when he got 51'd

and imo he's a total viking of ILX

He is an intrepid viking staring into the vast seas of mystery.

imo he's a total viking of ilx, but when he got sb'd it was because he 'didn't get' something for 1500 posts iirc.

anyway according to some dude's rule I'm an ivy-leaguer therefore I am more qualified than almost everybody else on this thread to interpret this question and I say it's A lock thread I win

wow i wish this thread didn't go native/non-native.

it should have stuck with duh/smart imo, less fraught with danger

xp!

I'm an Ivy Leaguer and I say it's B

although really the answer is C

i reckon it's a poll thread, and those found to have voted the losing option don't have any say in ILX for four years.

re: non-native thing: consequence of B people trying to figure out why in the world otherwise intelligent folks would go with A. let's be cool.

non-native minorities coming into our threads not getting our jokes iirc

i went 2 a shitty st8 school so i say fuck this shit i am going to a monster truck rally

Now at:
"I dream I'm a viking" (183) 65.59%
"I'm a champion sleeper" (96) 34.41%

so 13-3 to the Bs since Cozen posted the link.

I actually found that poll before the link was posted in this thread, and I voted B.

okay srsly can we drop the native/non-native thing now

xp: m bison kinda OTM

i'm not saying that's the reason you guys are wrong. i'm saying it's interesting enough to be worth mentioning that the 2 biggest vikings of option A have that in common. i said it, there's not much more to say imo, but you can continue to dwell on it and pontificate on what kind of person that makes me if you like.

― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, April 30, 2010 10:04 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm a solid option A person as indicated several times above and English was my first language.

However, I grew up overseas and was fluent in French at age 5, so my theory is that multilingual people (i.e. smarter people) are more likely to follow the option A interpretation.

i look forward in 7 hours or so to discovering that this is like all the ILM polls where fifty lurkers who never posted send "Everybody Hurts" to the top of the charts, and the Excellers begin their long reign of triumph

As opposed to linguistically rigid monolingual people, who seem to be fixated on a literal interpretations?

okay srsly can we drop the native/non-native thing now

i'm trying to kill it with puns, it works on every other thread, but srsly-yes pls.

my theory is that multilingual people (i.e. smarter people)

or people whose countries have been occupied historically?

i look forward in 7 hours or so to discovering that this is like all the ILM polls where fifty lurkers who never posted send "Everybody Hurts" to the top of the charts, and the Excellers begin their long reign of triumph

hahaha yes that was awesome

although in this case I won't be happy unless C wins

Actually I was living overseas because my father was a diplomatic representative of the GREAT COUNTRY OF THE U.S. of A. to lesser nations, but nice try.

or people whose countries have been occupied historically?

wait, are we back to the "vikings were militarily weak historical losers, therefore ralph would not associate them with excelling" thing?

yeah guys i apologize, to dyao for causing offense and to everyone else for the ensuing shitstorm

i really wish C wasn't an option itt

hahaha but it's perfect because it is exactly what everyone is doing

ya c is gonna take away more b votes than a votes

apology accepted some dude. keep on bloggin imo

http://www.pollpub.com/when-ralph-wiggum-said-oh-boy-sleep-thats-where-im-a-viking-what-did-he-mean-by-it.aspx

"I dream I'm a viking" (186) 65.72%
"I'm a champion sleeper" (97) 34.28%

lol @ at least 20 ILXors (including me) taking this poll outside

wow thread was bringing many lols overnight and then a buncha guys decided that what this thread was missing was SERIOUS ALLEGATIONS

love that "an open mind" is what people who get a joke are missing - you A people, let me know if you're ever teaching a formal reasoning class so I can cruise along to an improved GPA by blowing your minds about how a lotta stuff if just your opinion, man

in all seriousness though would somebody who is viking at internet please get on a script that'll allow us to add a "hide all posts by people who voted 'A' in the 'where I'm a viking' poll" option to our settings? will improve user experience for 65% of the board

but how will u see my zings?