ya I got one
― iatee, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link
They're not equivalent to you, but they're equivalent to a B person such as myself. A is completely ridiculous, I am 100% sure it is wrong. You're not 100% B is wrong, because it makes a lot of sense.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
~sigh~ think I'll just stick to my vampire weekend records at least it's from a culture I am a part of
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:43 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao you're trolling for sb's right now, do you understand that much dude?
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
So because someone has a stronger, more absolute opinion on something, that somehow makes his opinion more correct? How does that work?
― Tuomas, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:44 (fourteen years ago) link
65% are more sure that they're right than 35%, who are wrong anyway.
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Because I can point you to people who have very strong opinions on what is "right", let's see if you agree with them.
― Tuomas, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
darraghmac you know I've been pretty cool on this thread but sorry I just got really offended at some dude's "english motherfucker, do you speak it" argument & I say this as a guy who rarely loses his cool, ever
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:46 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not sure it was all about that, but yeah that's an unnecessary line imo.
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link
troll gets trolled story at 11
― iatee, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link
No, that doesn't make them more correct, why are you shifting the argument? I'm explaining to you why A people appear so evangelical to you.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link
xxp you do realising you're on the same side of a minority opinion with truongmos, tho? it doesn't bother that dude, that due is always ice-cool, so take a leaf out of his book. watch and learn.
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:48 (fourteen years ago) link
ehh the argument is borderline racist imo & there are few things that piss me off more than racism (my SB record will support that)
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:49 (fourteen years ago) link
some dude was out of order imo. B still the better answer tho.
― tomofthenest, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:50 (fourteen years ago) link
You haven't explained why A people are "100% sure it is wrong" though. How can they be so sure? Where does their entitlement come from?
― Tuomas, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
hipsters, accusations of racism, this thread now has it all
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:51 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/dotherightthinglovedaddy.jpg
Yo! Hold up! Time out! TIME OUT! Y'all take a chill! Ya need to cool that shit out! And that's the double truth, Ruth!
― huh! tikuuta. (kingkongvsgodzilla), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link
There's about 767 posts explaining that, Tuomas. You're just unwilling to accept the arguments.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, April 30, 2010 10:46 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i'm sorry if you think i crossed a line by forcing the issue but it seems odd NOT to point out that it's "interesting" (or at least more "interesting" than the aww the B people are so sure of themselves because their arrogant big meanies theory)
― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
fwiw i have no idea what race you are and afaik am the same race as tuomas for all intents and purposes
No more unwilling than you are.
― Tuomas, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
this man is a pro
― iatee, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:54 (fourteen years ago) link
Exactly Tuomas!
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
some dude I really see no point in you even mentioning this point considering I am from the same culture as you, and if you really think it's an 'interesting' point you might as well throw away all your rap music criticism (as good as it is)
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
tuomas, are you willing to concede that there is a correct answer to this?
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
"that's where I'm a [champion]" just sounds like a borderline nonsensical malapropism that would be far more likely made by someone learning a second language (or someone who's been on the internet reading wacky phrases like "for the win" and "an hero" for too long) than a child
― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/12304045985t78.gif
― Tracer Hand, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:55 (fourteen years ago) link
if i told editors "writing, that's where I'm a professional!" i'd get even less work than i get now, i'm pretty sure
― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
great point
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
would lock this thread so hard
― (m)(m )(m b)(m bi)(m bis)(m biso) (m bison), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao, i don't think it's necessarily racist to point out that a non-native speaker of english might be more prone to pick up the meaning of a joke in an english programme incorrectly. seriously, after 700 posts it was an avenue that probably had gone unasked for quite a while.
i'm not assuming anything about your level of english, and i know from years of arguing nonsense with him that tuomas's is excellent, even if i think he's a master troll.
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link
Anyway, it's May Day, a big drinking festival here in Finland, sadly I have to leave this thread in order to party some. I probably won't be on the net before Sunday, it'll be interesting to see whether the debate is still going on then.
(several x-posts)
― Tuomas, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link
results of other internet poll"I dream I'm a viking" (171) 64.77%"I'm a champion sleeper" (93) 35.23%― nagl that's where ur a viking (cozen), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 16:42
"I dream I'm a viking" (171) 64.77%"I'm a champion sleeper" (93) 35.23%
― nagl that's where ur a viking (cozen), Wednesday, 28 April 2010 16:42
Now at:"I dream I'm a viking" (183) 65.59%"I'm a champion sleeper" (96) 34.41%
so 13-3 to the Bs since Cozen posted the link.
― mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:57 (fourteen years ago) link
uh 12-3
― mierda defensa ... no impedir ... espectador (onimo), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link
can we do "is goofy a dog or cow?" next
― the poster below this is an A-voter (cozen), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:58 (fourteen years ago) link
omg YES
― Anything With Bagpipes (HI DERE), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
ilx is gonna get fewer a voters than that I bet
― iatee, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
by Sunday you'll be able to tell us how important the 15% or 25% of votes sharing your opinion are (xpost)
― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:59 (fourteen years ago) link
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, April 30, 2010 10:57 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
it's not the whole native/non-native distinction that bothers me (the more correct term that I think everybody is fishing for is fluency) it's the insinuation that if you're not part of a culture your judgments about that culture are open to being considered less valid & less correct. imo tuomas is fluent, native-level, and obviously spends a lot of time interacting w/ american culture, and to attack his argument based on the grounds that he is from Finland is pretty ethnocentric if you ask me
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
hyvää vappua, Tuomas!
― xylyl syzygy (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
"that's where I'm a 'champion' " just sounds like a borderline nonsensical malapropism
so wait it's the phrasing in itself that's odd not just the fact that "viking" is not a granted metaphor for being good at something? all this time i thought the latter was the argument here
― sonderangerbot, Friday, 30 April 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
he also is known for being the dude who asks stuff like "why are there so many helicopters in america?'
― iatee, Friday, 30 April 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not saying that's the reason you guys are wrong. i'm saying it's interesting enough to be worth mentioning that the 2 biggest vikings of option A have that in common. i said it, there's not much more to say imo, but you can continue to dwell on it and pontificate on what kind of person that makes me if you like.
― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao is american, some dude
― iatee, Friday, 30 April 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
it's the insinuation that if you're not part of a culture your judgments about that culture are open to being considered less valid & less correct.
see, i'll actually not agree with you there. this is actually a 'right or wrong' issue imo, so not all judgements are 360-degrees valid.
imo tuomas is fluent, native-level, and obviously spends a lot of time interacting w/ american culture, and to attack his argument based on the grounds that he is from Finland is pretty ethnocentric if you ask me
read ur blogs, mayne. read ur blogs. I'm not gonna talk about Tuomas like he's not here, and imo he's a total viking of ILX, but he's got huge amounts of previous in not getting fairly simple/well accepted concepts that very few others of ANY culture struggle with.
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
― sonderangerbot, Friday, April 30, 2010 11:04 AM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
the latter is the main argument, but I'm just saying even if you try to wrap your head around the metaphor thing, actually looking at the sentence that way is pretty sketchy. you think we can't dissect this thing on more than one level after 1k posts?
― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
dyao makes a very valid point; Tuomas's fluency is better than many Americans
that doesn't mean his interpretation makes the slightest lick of sense tho
every tribe here is made up of a myriad of villages, some more sensible than others
xp: holy lol are ppl actually buying the "English is not dyao's first language" thing????? shine on you crazy thread
― Anything With Bagpipes (HI DERE), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, I mean, you may as well just throw me out of the discussion too - - - I was born in Florida and did my book-learnin' in pathetic, backwards, non-fluent Georgia, so obviously I could have no legitimate opinion on the content of "The Simpsons," a show written by Ivy Leaguers and then broadcast to an audience of millions and millions of Americans and Finns. But maybe someone can review my past posting history and find proof that actually I do deserve the right to an opinion on a cartoon show.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 30 April 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
iatee i know nothing about dyao, i based my comment on Tuomas saying he was a non-native English speaker before someone pointed out that that's apparently not correct.
― oh boy, luriqua's house! that's where M.I.A.'s dyking! (some dude), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link
― just darraghmac tbh (darraghmac), Friday, April 30, 2010 11:05 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark
I've lurked here for some years and have always felt Tuomas gets the short end of the stick so, remembering scratching my head when he got 51'd
― I Think Ur a Viking (dyao), Friday, 30 April 2010 15:07 (fourteen years ago) link