I agree about the bonus tracks. An instance of bonus material being truly worthwhile rather than the usual alt take.
― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 29 April 2010 15:59 (fourteen years ago) link
San Francisco is definitely worth having.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 29 April 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I find parts of Karma is to be amazing, but I've always found Leon Thomas' vocals to be something of a distraction. I don't necessarily mind his voice per se, but it distracts from everything else in the recording that I find so interesting and arresting. It's the one unimaginative element in the mix, and it's perhaps the number one reason Karma has always been an album I admire more than like.
That said, I do love the fluctuations in Sanders' tone on this album. He gets very abrasive (especially in the midsection), but he always seems compelled to then swoop back into a voluptuous, sweet sound just as his sax makes direct contact with chaos. I'm also amused by his significantly swinging cadence, especially at the 24 minutes mark, that finds a midpoint between Ben Webster and Steve Mackay . It makes an interesting contrast to Coltrane, whose single major limitation, I think, is that he couldn't swing very well (Monk tries to get him to on the Carnegie Hall recording, but he sounds unwilling to play along).
― MumblestheRevelator, Thursday, 29 April 2010 19:55 (fourteen years ago) link
I enjoy his "vocals" actually.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 30 April 2010 01:35 (fourteen years ago) link
Me too.
This Hutcherson album is GREAT! I love Blue Note from this period -- generally a consistently interesting combination of balls and taste.
― Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC), Friday, 30 April 2010 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link
Bit of a jazz neophyte but i'm about 6 minutes into "The Creator Has A Master Plan" and it's blowing me away. How does he get that tone?
― Number None, Friday, 30 April 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Hard work and clean living?
― Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC), Friday, 30 April 2010 02:44 (fourteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overblowing
that tone?
― Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC), Friday, 30 April 2010 02:45 (fourteen years ago) link
That'll be it. As i said, don't really listen to that much jazz (although i have heard Journey in Satchidananda) but the first thing that struck me with this album was the "roughness" of the tone. It just sounds cool basically.
― Number None, Friday, 30 April 2010 02:57 (fourteen years ago) link
been listening to Karma a lot in the last week independently of this thread, walking around singing "yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah" in my head. I don't really dig Thomas' solo stuff but I love him on this record.
― bug holocaust (sleeve), Friday, 30 April 2010 03:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Hutcherson had a great working relationship w/pianist Andrew Hill on Blue Note, too. check out Hutch's Dialogue or Hill's Judgement LP. my favorite straight-ahead Bobby is The Stick-Up w/Joe Henderson at his most Coltranesque.
― are we human or are we dancer (m coleman), Friday, 30 April 2010 09:43 (fourteen years ago) link
Andrew Hill was terrific too back then.
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 30 April 2010 14:19 (fourteen years ago) link
listened to Karma (twice!) on the way to work today. beautiful record. thing i was digging the most about "creator" this time around was the percussion -- all that shimmering, jangling sound going on.
― tylerw, Friday, 30 April 2010 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I think I hear new things everytime I hear it tbh. Either that or I'm focussing on something different each time. It's just the perfect album for me (along with Mingus - Black Saint And Sinner Lady)
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 30 April 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Karma is definitely my favourite jazz lp, and definitely in my top 5 of all time regarddless of genre
― Jamie_ATP, Saturday, 1 May 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
glad to hear that
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Saturday, 1 May 2010 23:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Here is a Spotify Playlist for both weeks(minus unavailable album) Will add to it each week
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 May 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link
just a reminder for the May's pickers:
a hoy hoy: 5 Maylocal garda: 12 Mayward fowler: 19 MayCave17Matt: 26 May
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Sunday, 2 May 2010 09:52 (fourteen years ago) link
i think i have decided my 3. there is no link other than they may be my fav 3 jazz records evererer
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 2 May 2010 16:47 (fourteen years ago) link
how do they rate as arsenal players?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Vieira, Song and Keown?
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 2 May 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
the 1st one is a classy thuggish album by an artist who was past their best?
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:10 (fourteen years ago) link
ok vieira when he was an arsenal player.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:23 (fourteen years ago) link
hard edged classy with a great ability to move forward?
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Sunday, 2 May 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
What will a jazz fabregas be?
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 16:04 (fourteen years ago) link
Hmm, I was thinking 'kinda african and/or hard as hell' w/ my picks. a cesc would be some dainty european thing that can leave a giant smiley smile on yr face.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 May 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
and an arshavin?
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Machinegunbrotz.jpg/200px-Machinegunbrotz.jpg
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 May 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link
tbh i don't know where brotzmann is from but his name sounds kinda russian + proper mental and exciting.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 May 2010 16:51 (fourteen years ago) link
Peter Brötzmann is German and mental. Extremely fiery and would rip your head off.
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 16:59 (fourteen years ago) link
always thought Brötzmann was Polish, but the interwebs confirms what Herman says is true. Saw him at Oto earlier this year and he was indeed fiery and exciting.
Unrelated but I heard that during the recent spate of Sun Ra Arkestra gigs at Oto, they were booking some Summer 2010 London shows and Ronnie Scotts were keen to get them. Arkestra promptly turned them down, citing Oto as their most preferred jazz joint in London!
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 3 May 2010 17:05 (fourteen years ago) link
so a jens. dunno what an arshavin would be. can something be cute+mental in free jazz?
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Monday, 3 May 2010 17:17 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/ibarra.jpg
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 3 May 2010 17:41 (fourteen years ago) link
Instantly rcoecognise Susie Ibarra, although I've only ever heard her on the work she did with Yo La Tengo. Must try and "check" her out proper. Ward any recommendations for this?
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:13 (fourteen years ago) link
What did she do with Yo La Tengo? I'm not Ward but Flower after Flower is quite good.
― Sundar, Monday, 3 May 2010 18:19 (fourteen years ago) link
Folkloriko for cuteDavid S. Ware Quartet for mental
It's not as cut and dried as that, but it's a start.
― Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Ibarra played on YLT's "And then everything turned itself inside out" album. She's definitely on the track "Saturday" but may also have played on others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L322i7aMF_4
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 3 May 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
THE ILM FUNK LISTENING CLUB! Vol #3: May 3 - May 9 with Leon Thomas, Betty Davis and Herbie Hancock... All ILXors and lurkers welcome. is a bit jazzy this week folks if you wanna pop over (if you're not already on it) there's always going to be some crossover.
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 20:24 (fourteen years ago) link
Okay Folkloriko is pretty mental. Interesting, strange - but to my ears not that hard to listen to.
(it and a couple other albums by Ibarra on Spotify!)
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 3 May 2010 22:19 (fourteen years ago) link
so is jazz club still moving to a tuesday or are there stragglers still wanting to talk about last weeks albums?
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 22:22 (fourteen years ago) link
If a hoy a hoy is ready then go ahead!
Thanks for the Bobby H. introduction, enjoyed very much. Like the quieter pieces, especially "Tranquility" more but will be coming back to this.
I surprised myself by not engaging as much with Lonnie L S this time, finding about half of it - I dunno - noodly / cheesy / lite. The title track remains an amazing thing to behold tho
And felt real good to be listening to "The Creator...." again after several years. Easily the best of your picks: I can immediately smell the incense smoking away on stage when i saw him ('97, maybe early '98) at the Jazz Cafe.
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
― De que estas hablando? (Tannenbaum Schmidt), Monday, 3 May 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
sam are you around? post your albums!
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Monday, 3 May 2010 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link
I think maybe the snooker put him in a coma
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 00:18 (fourteen years ago) link
i love susie ibarra. i missed out on week 2 (and 1...) but will say that Karma is one epic killer of an album
― sonderangerbot, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 00:27 (fourteen years ago) link
you can post about any of the albums anytime if youre playing catch up. Good chat on the albums shouldn't end with the next picks.
― Dastardly & Müttley Crüe (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 00:31 (fourteen years ago) link
SAM post your albums already
― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 15:30 (fourteen years ago) link
srry, was at work last night
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p2IuxcXHg8w/SQ2ZMUJlIlI/AAAAAAAAAM0/ghIIisf-jwk/s320/africa-brass.jpg
Africa/Brass by John Coltrane
https://www.ifmusic.co.uk/images/product_images/mccoytyner-realmccoy.jpg
The Real McCoy by McCoy Tyner
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii23/bluemonkey666/wayneshorter_juju3.jpg
Juju by Wayne Shorter
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:33 (fourteen years ago) link
http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200607/05/63/f0062463_20462330.jpg oops.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:34 (fourteen years ago) link
I was torn between Olé and A/B. (Well, and Ascension but I think it is too early for that). Really though they are both perfect singular records from the Coltrane dynasty, a lot darker and heavier than the more obv. stuff like Blue Train and A Love Supreme. Plus, Eric Dolphy is one cool motherfucker.
The Real McCoy is just hard as hell and I loves it.
Was a toss-up between Juju, Money Jungle and Maiden Voyage, went with the one w/ the coolest cover imo.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 4 May 2010 18:45 (fourteen years ago) link
A McCoy Tyner/Elvin Jones trilogy! Nice.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 19:26 (fourteen years ago) link