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The 2nd half of Components is where the album really comes alive for me.

Things get a little more "out" on side 2, don't they? Kind of an interesting split -- the first half is pretty straight ahead bop ... Listening to Components now. Love this sound. Carter's bass! For a guy who played on a bajillion records, he always sounds fresh, engaged and into it.

The albums of this period all kind of do that--move between straight ahead and more out playing...from 65 to 70 or so there isn't one Hutcherson album that I haven't liked.

Agreed, Bobby Hutcherson released great stuff then

Looking at the Allmusic discography, there are a few I haven't heard, and 1970's 'Now' isn't very good. The one directly after that, "Head On" is fantastic though--a great blend of the straight-ahead and more exploratory elements of the years preceding.

Head On is pretty nice -- though surprisingly, I think I might like the bonus tracks that are on the recent CD reissue better than the album itself! San Francisco is worht checking out too. I've got Natural Illusions (from 74, I think?) -- it's got string orchestrations on it, some of which works some of which doesn't.

I agree about the bonus tracks. An instance of bonus material being truly worthwhile rather than the usual alt take.

San Francisco is definitely worth having.

I find parts of Karma is to be amazing, but I've always found Leon Thomas' vocals to be something of a distraction. I don't necessarily mind his voice per se, but it distracts from everything else in the recording that I find so interesting and arresting. It's the one unimaginative element in the mix, and it's perhaps the number one reason Karma has always been an album I admire more than like.

That said, I do love the fluctuations in Sanders' tone on this album. He gets very abrasive (especially in the midsection), but he always seems compelled to then swoop back into a voluptuous, sweet sound just as his sax makes direct contact with chaos. I'm also amused by his significantly swinging cadence, especially at the 24 minutes mark, that finds a midpoint between Ben Webster and Steve Mackay . It makes an interesting contrast to Coltrane, whose single major limitation, I think, is that he couldn't swing very well (Monk tries to get him to on the Carnegie Hall recording, but he sounds unwilling to play along).

I enjoy his "vocals" actually.

Me too.

This Hutcherson album is GREAT! I love Blue Note from this period -- generally a consistently interesting combination of balls and taste.

Bit of a jazz neophyte but i'm about 6 minutes into "The Creator Has A Master Plan" and it's blowing me away. How does he get that tone?

Hard work and clean living?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overblowing

that tone?

That'll be it. As i said, don't really listen to that much jazz (although i have heard Journey in Satchidananda) but the first thing that struck me with this album was the "roughness" of the tone. It just sounds cool basically.

been listening to Karma a lot in the last week independently of this thread, walking around singing "yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah" in my head. I don't really dig Thomas' solo stuff but I love him on this record.

Hutcherson had a great working relationship w/pianist Andrew Hill on Blue Note, too. check out Hutch's Dialogue or Hill's Judgement LP. my favorite straight-ahead Bobby is The Stick-Up w/Joe Henderson at his most Coltranesque.

Andrew Hill was terrific too back then.

listened to Karma (twice!) on the way to work today. beautiful record. thing i was digging the most about "creator" this time around was the percussion -- all that shimmering, jangling sound going on.

I think I hear new things everytime I hear it tbh. Either that or I'm focussing on something different each time. It's just the perfect album for me (along with Mingus - Black Saint And Sinner Lady)

Karma is definitely my favourite jazz lp, and definitely in my top 5 of all time regarddless of genre

glad to hear that

Here is a Spotify Playlist for both weeks(minus unavailable album)
Will add to it each week

just a reminder for the May's pickers:

a hoy hoy: 5 May
local garda: 12 May
ward fowler: 19 May
Cave17Matt: 26 May

i think i have decided my 3. there is no link other than they may be my fav 3 jazz records evererer

how do they rate as arsenal players?

Vieira, Song and Keown?

the 1st one is a classy thuggish album by an artist who was past their best?

ok vieira when he was an arsenal player.

hard edged classy with a great ability to move forward?

What will a jazz fabregas be?

Hmm, I was thinking 'kinda african and/or hard as hell' w/ my picks. a cesc would be some dainty european thing that can leave a giant smiley smile on yr face.

and an arshavin?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a4/Machinegunbrotz.jpg/200px-Machinegunbrotz.jpg

tbh i don't know where brotzmann is from but his name sounds kinda russian + proper mental and exciting.

Peter Brötzmann is German and mental. Extremely fiery and would rip your head off.

always thought Brötzmann was Polish, but the interwebs confirms what Herman says is true. Saw him at Oto earlier this year and he was indeed fiery and exciting.

Unrelated but I heard that during the recent spate of Sun Ra Arkestra gigs at Oto, they were booking some Summer 2010 London shows and Ronnie Scotts were keen to get them. Arkestra promptly turned them down, citing Oto as their most preferred jazz joint in London!

so a jens. dunno what an arshavin would be. can something be cute+mental in free jazz?

http://www.vicfirth.com/artists/ibarra.jpg

Instantly rcoecognise Susie Ibarra, although I've only ever heard her on the work she did with Yo La Tengo. Must try and "check" her out proper. Ward any recommendations for this?

What did she do with Yo La Tengo? I'm not Ward but Flower after Flower is quite good.

Folkloriko for cute
David S. Ware Quartet for mental

It's not as cut and dried as that, but it's a start.

Ibarra played on YLT's "And then everything turned itself inside out" album. She's definitely on the track "Saturday" but may also have played on others

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L322i7aMF_4

THE ILM FUNK LISTENING CLUB! Vol #3: May 3 - May 9 with Leon Thomas, Betty Davis and Herbie Hancock... All ILXors and lurkers welcome. is a bit jazzy this week folks if you wanna pop over (if you're not already on it) there's always going to be some crossover.

Okay Folkloriko is pretty mental. Interesting, strange - but to my ears not that hard to listen to.

(it and a couple other albums by Ibarra on Spotify!)

so is jazz club still moving to a tuesday or are there stragglers still wanting to talk about last weeks albums?

If a hoy a hoy is ready then go ahead!

Thanks for the Bobby H. introduction, enjoyed very much. Like the quieter pieces, especially "Tranquility" more but will be coming back to this.

I surprised myself by not engaging as much with Lonnie L S this time, finding about half of it - I dunno - noodly / cheesy / lite. The title track remains an amazing thing to behold tho

And felt real good to be listening to "The Creator...." again after several years. Easily the best of your picks: I can immediately smell the incense smoking away on stage when i saw him ('97, maybe early '98) at the Jazz Cafe.

Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

sam are you around? post your albums!

I think maybe the snooker put him in a coma

i love susie ibarra. i missed out on week 2 (and 1...) but will say that Karma is one epic killer of an album