Ladies and gentlemen....the 1990s ILX SINGLES POLL RESULTS

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and that is why this and every poll is flawed in some way or another.

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:09 (nineteen years ago) link

The results certainly aren't 'whites only', blount, it's kind of unfair to suggest that people are operating a sonic apartheid, don't you think?

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't imagine in what universe 5 geto boys tracks would have made a list like this. So perhaps part of watching your favorite genre consistently marginalized is a part of it.

djdee2005 (djdee2005), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:11 (nineteen years ago) link

well not everyone voted for the 'homophobe' option last tuesday either kg but they won anyway, here you don't even need a majority of the vote to get it twisted, just four or five st. etienne singles.

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:19 (nineteen years ago) link

i understand that you can be upset that your favorite genre is marginalized, but you cant expect that result from a board in which the majority hasnt even heard 5 songs by the geto boys

todd swiss (eliti), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:21 (nineteen years ago) link

the majority hasn't heard five songs by pulp either!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:22 (nineteen years ago) link

My #1 was Tom Waits "Who Are You", which got no love, apparently.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, but there were a lot of black artists on the list - not enough, maybe, but people did vote for them.

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh come off it Geto Boys only have 3 good songs!


(kidding)

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:27 (nineteen years ago) link

some people. some people voted for five or six pulp, five or six st. etienne and whatever the correct blur one is (not apparently 'song 2' or 'coffee and tv' or 'boys and girls'). really, taking race out the equation (which is doing these people a favor they maybe don't deserve), this is just rampant fanboyism, the sort of daftness that's not even bright enough to qualify as corny indie fuxxthought. ie. has anyone on the 'there was other even better music during the nineties besides british rock revivalism' "side" suggested four or five geto boys should've been there instead of four or five pulp?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually I would like to state for the record that "Damn it Feels Good To Be A Gangsta" is my favorite song of all time. Not just favorite rap song, favorite song PERIOD.
If it was nominated on here ol' Tom Waits woulda been #2.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:32 (nineteen years ago) link

michael bolton!

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link

(it was me saying no to Boys and Girls, and I hate Blur in their entireity, as with Pulp, though both have one or two good songs. Britpop was mostly awful)

Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:34 (nineteen years ago) link

My top four votes are slightly humorous in the context of this argument, and may prove or disprove someone's point, I dunno.
1. Tom Waits - "Who Are You"
2. Wu-Tang Clan – “Shame on a Nigga”
3. Pulp - "Common People"
4. Geto Boys - "Mind Playing Tricks on Me"

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

what album is that waits single from?

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Bone Machine, recorded in Cotati, CA where I used to live.
I voted it #1 as a hometown pride thing (Waits also lives in Sonoma County, where I grew up). Plus the lyrics, singing and melody are fuckin rad.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:42 (nineteen years ago) link

though the g-funk junior high dance canon is actually well represented on the list (Dr. Dre's probably the top producer on the list, right?), I am saddened that "This is how we do it" didn't make it, and would like to lodge a formal complaint with ILM or at the very least find out how it placed. And how did shimmy shimmy ya do, anyways?

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Gear, where did the following place?

Sleater-Kinney - "Call the Doctor"
Mogwai - "Mogwai Fear Satan"
Cocteau Twins - "Summerhead"
Tricky - "Christiansand"
Dubstar - "Stars"
Slowdive - "Avalyn"

Also I realized that I'm not a CIF after all. Should I be relieved?

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah and you r0x0r Gear!

Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Speaking of which, I have no idea how "What's My Name" and "Gin and Juice" weren't nominated -- one or both would have placed.

(xpost to Shmool)

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:29 (nineteen years ago) link

This is How We Do It was just Slick Rick's "Children's Story" with cornier lyrics wasn't it? Or am I thinking of something else?

Yeah I wanna know the Waits "Who Are You" results as well.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:30 (nineteen years ago) link

hey djdee, did you post your ballot?

xp yeah snoop needed to get some love. and you're thinking of something else, aaron (do you mean Black Star - Children's Story? Children's Story is probably the most covered rap song ever)

Shmool McShmool (shmuel), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I meant the music. Some rap song ripped off the original music exactly.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm really not sure if I've heard Mind Playing Tricks On Me, but I must have.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Jeez Matt, download it. Totally worth it. Get "Damn it Feels Good to Be a Gangsta" and "Mind of A Lunatic" while you're at it.

Hi, I am a genius. a big one. (AaronHz), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I've never heard of the Geto Boys! I suspect I would like them though.

Did no one remember I Love Your Smile?! I thought that would be massively popular, but no.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 November 2004 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

i hope jess voted in this

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:34 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm kinda glad I didn't.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 11 November 2004 11:59 (nineteen years ago) link

bah

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 12:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Did no one remember I Love Your Smile?! I thought that would be massively popular, but no.

After seeing the video for another track with that Brian Green guy from 90210, my goodwill died stillborn.

B.A.R.M.S. (Barima), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Man, FUCK a bunch of Coffee and TV highest ranking Blur song, and fuck a PANTLOAD of Coffee and TV and Song 2 even placing, harumph, harumph, harumph. ILM, stop getting Blur wrong!

Roxy totally OTM. Song 2 getting into this list is maybe the biggest mindfuck of all.

I also calculated that if I'd remembered to vote for California Love it'd have been at about 21 instead of 29. Boo.

Ang big love to my man Snoop!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:13 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't even consider voting for any Saint Etienne tracks, but trying to equate voting for them to some kind of musical racism is lunacy. You can prefer indie pop to hip hop without having a whites-only musical policy - it's that simple. I haven't checked how many people did vote for white acts only, or almost only, but there are other reasons for tastes leaning in particular directions than racism. (In case I get accused, since I am one of those dubious characters who absolutely loves Pulp, most of my all-time favourite music, and the areas I found most badly underrepresented in this poll, is black.)

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Song 2 is universally popular tho - people who haven't even heard any other Blur songs know and like Song 2. it's appearance here is really just a reflection of it's ubiquity compared to all other Blur singles.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:31 (nineteen years ago) link

was 'black music' really under-represented in this poll? it seems 50/50 - unless you suggest that given how most music is of black origin anyway that the ratio should be weighted more in it's favour or something?

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:33 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, playing the race card here was pretty dumb
and desperate
and most of all, insulting on many levels

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:36 (nineteen years ago) link

it's too bad we always get bogged down in these political issues. tho you may argue that polls are only ever a political exercise anyway. i'm relatively satisfied with the list tho because i like everything on it apart from the couple i've not heard.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Song 2 is one of only two Blur tracks I like at all (MOR is the other), but it didn't come very close to my votes.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:45 (nineteen years ago) link

well since the poll does reflect the board i think a few people (more than a few maybe even)(though nowhere near the majority) might be sour that a significant chunk of the board has a 'whites only' policy when it comes to music yes.
-- cinniblount, November 11th, 2004.


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and that is why this and every poll is flawed in some way or another.
-- todd swiss, November 11th, 2004.


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The results certainly aren't 'whites only', blount, it's kind of unfair to suggest that people are operating a sonic apartheid, don't you think?
-- Kevin Gilchrist, November 11th, 2004.


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I can't imagine in what universe 5 geto boys tracks would have made a list like this. So perhaps part of watching your favorite genre consistently marginalized is a part of it.
-- djdee2005, November 11th, 2004.


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well not everyone voted for the 'homophobe' option last tuesday either kg but they won anyway, here you don't even need a majority of the vote to get it twisted, just four or five st. etienne singles.
-- cinniblount, November 11th, 2004.

Kevin points out that the results are not "whites only." Despite the overrepresentation of certain bands (none of which I am even really familiar with except in the vaguest way, incidentally), the list isn't a "whites only" list. I don't see where you really acknowledge that. Instead you continue to complain about too many selections from certain bands, while associating the results of this ILM poll with the recent U.S. presidential election (the results of which most of us think were very bad if not simply a disaster), something far more serious.

I don't think listening to music according to racial quotas makes a lot of sense, but I guess this language will lead to accusations that I subscribe to the National Review or have a eugenics meeting to attend, or the usual nonsense.

x-post: thank you Martin.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:56 (nineteen years ago) link

also, anyone check out the top 40 charts/record sales lately?
in what universe is hip-hop marginalized?

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:59 (nineteen years ago) link

in what universe is hip-hop marginalized?

England, c. 1990-99 ;)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:06 (nineteen years ago) link

What should the ideal ratio be anyway? Should it represent the population of the English speaking world? The proportion of white to non-white recordings being produced in that world? What would be enough?

(As for blount, he has found a way to bully people and feel self-righteous at the same time. That's what it comes down to.)

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:11 (nineteen years ago) link

some people. some people voted for five or six pulp, five or six st. etienne...taking race out the equation (which is doing these people a favor they maybe don't deserve), this is just rampant fanboyism, the sort of daftness that's not even bright enough to qualify as corny indie fuxxthought. ie. has anyone on the 'there was other even better music during the nineties besides british rock revivalism' "side" suggested four or five geto boys should've been there instead of four or five pulp?

In what world does Saint Etienne qualify as "British rock revivalism"? (or Pulp for that matter?!)

Like I said before, I voted for four Saint Etienne songs and three Pulp songs (I also nominated Quad City DJs if that matters, it apparently does for some reason...). Hey, maybe it's fanboyism -- they could be my two favorite artists ever -- but I'm not sure how not being 'bright' enters into it: Why is a strong connection with an artist a matter of having an improper level of intelligence or sub-CIF thought? Or, if this is what you're implying, why is voting/listening primarily with your head more proper than primarily voting/listening with your heart? (If anything, the "right" Saint Etienne songs just happened to be nominated. If a completely different five St. Et. songs were picked, there's no way they'd have all made it-- and if all five St. Et. LPs get in, that will be a bit puzzling.)

(fwiw, "Common People" won this by a significant margin, it's apparently not just a small group of racist fanboys voting for them.)

scott pl. (scott pl.), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link

the poll represents the priority of taste of the electorate - the complaint often seems to amount to nothing more than 'largely caucasian parish with relatively comfortable backgrounds not as into music made by people different to them as one might hope'

if the Geto Boys had made #1, there would probably be accusations of an offensive irony flying around (altho many genuinely like their track there still seems to be a sense that they are the token 'joke'/cool entry) - please nobody tell me how much they genuinely do like 'mind playin tricks on me' now tho. i don't care, i never heard it until it was nominated but don't consider that to be that big a flaw (lots of other tracks could've ended up in the position, including many from the omgwtflol poll which had accusations of quasi-racism flying around too). you can never win really.

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i'm suggesting it's okay to be a CIF again...

Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:29 (nineteen years ago) link

ILM: Where All Polls Are Racial

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link

well i certainly feel better now

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

as for rockist scientist he's found away to conveniently ignoring half a poster's comments (the half that would directly contradict his coloring of him but hey) in order to further to attempt to swipe amateurist's snark crown again (close, no cigar)(less self righteousness and halfassed bullying on your part would probably help)(the ability to read might also).

cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Where did you respond to the point of the actual racial balance of the results, blount? (Or anyone else who wants to point me to it.) And what is it that you think I ignored?

I don't seem to be the only one who has "misunderstood" you here either.

I'd be interested in knowing who ILXors in general think resorts to bullying more, you or me, blount.

Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link

TS: Blount v Rockist, who is more bully?

rentboy (rentboy), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:50 (nineteen years ago) link

BULLY FOR YOU, OLD CHAP

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:51 (nineteen years ago) link


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