just gonna reaffirm that option B absolutists = pred ship denyers
: D
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 00:06 (fourteen years ago) link
dear god AaronHZ may be drawn to this thread if you mention the pred ship....
― If You Ain't Gonna Wash It, I Ain't Gonna Eat It (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 00:11 (fourteen years ago) link
ok i swore i wasn't going to get into this but lol @ the idea that ralph could come up with a fanciful and original metaphor such as "viking" being "something you are good at"
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:36 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark
ftr I totally don't get this argument, when has ralph ever been aware of the import of anything he says. he's totally the kid you teach solecisms to who'll never question the meaning of it and always use it. someone taught one of the chinese tutors at my last job that saying "I'm really horny!" was a cool & american way of saying "I'm really happy!" and he went around for a week telling people he was really horny before someone broke it to him.
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:00 (fourteen years ago) link
and then afterwards he pooped right before showering....
― If You Ain't Gonna Wash It, I Ain't Gonna Eat It (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:05 (fourteen years ago) link
So we need to assume that someone has already told Ralph that "viking" = "expert"?
― Sundar, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:20 (fourteen years ago) link
not implausible if you know anything at all about the relationship between ralph and chief wiggum
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 01:22 (fourteen years ago) link
ok fine i mean that is remotely plausible/highly unlikely
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago) link
the thing here is i don't think ralph generally thinks of himself as being bad at school or specifically as having failed the task, so for me it doesn't really follow that he'd be pleased because he felt he was given another task he excelled at.
i also don't know if this is u&k or not, but part of the joke is that he's still got the worm in his mouth when he calls on miss hoover to tell her he ate his worm, and only then does he eat the worm. it seems for b to be correct the sequence should go: eats worm > realizes he screwed up task > requests new worm > denied worm, given new task > elated at viking capabilities re: new task. however, since he doesn't actually eat the worm until immediately before he says he ate the worm the first three steps are happening almost simultaneously and out of the correct order. there's no space for the "feel bad about failing task" to "feel good about mastery of new task" turnaround.
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link
timeline (minutes and seconds of show):
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/slugbert/zapruder1.jpg
06:19: Ralph: Umm, Miss Hoover?
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/slugbert/zapruder2.jpg
06:21: Hoover: Yes Ralph, what is it?
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/slugbert/zapruder3.jpg
06:22: Ralph: My worm went in my mouth and then I ate it...can I have another one?
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:34 (fourteen years ago) link
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/slugbert/zapruder4.jpg
06:26: Hoover: No Ralph, there aren't any more...[shaking her head] just try to sleep while the other children are learning.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/slugbert/zapruder5.jpg
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/slugbert/zapruder6.jpg
06:31 - 06:34: Ralph: Oh boy...sleep! That's where I'm a viking!
holy shit at this zapuder take down¿¡
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
i'm not hardcore abt this, btw.
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:35 (fourteen years ago) link
lol i was like why the fuck are these screencaps getting posted but well done sir
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
ralph looks sad... that's not how i remembered it.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
sleeping ralph screencap is a moment where it feels tragic that ilx doesn't do avatars
― A B C, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
says the guy who posted screencaps!!!
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:38 (fourteen years ago) link
but Ralph looks sad throughout the whole sequence so he knows he fucked up
i meant for "a" to be correct (self x-post)
― slugbuggy, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 02:40 (fourteen years ago) link
can't wait til this thread hits 300 replies
― If You Ain't Gonna Wash It, I Ain't Gonna Eat It (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Holy shit this thread is the saddest display of wtfery I've seen here since the salt one.
― Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:22 (fourteen years ago) link
AND I AM A SIMPSONS FAN. o_0
love all the dudes itt getting sanctimonious w/0 revealing their position
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:25 (fourteen years ago) link
guys i think maybe Ralph is srsly an intelectual pretending to be stupid so he can win milhouse's heart......
― If You Ain't Gonna Wash It, I Ain't Gonna Eat It (Cattle Grind), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:25 (fourteen years ago) link
hay i revealed mine already!!11!!!
if you think it's "sleep is an area in which he excels" then you clearly misunderstood it when it aired and now have to justify your inability to judge words by the context of the sentence in which they appear. stop being so stubborn.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:45 (fourteen years ago) link
Its "thats where i am dreaming and thus I can be a viking" ffs it was a simple, unadorned joke and I'm staggered this is even on the table.
― Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:46 (fourteen years ago) link
ok i swore i wasn't going to get into this but lol @ the idea that ralph could come up with a fanciful and original metaphor such as "viking" being "something you are good at"― call all destroyer, Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:36 AM (5 hours ago) ftr I totally don't get this argument, when has ralph ever been aware of the import of anything he says. he's totally the kid you teach solecisms to who'll never question the meaning of it and always use it. someone taught one of the chinese tutors at my last job that saying "I'm really horny!" was a cool & american way of saying "I'm really happy!" and he went around for a week telling people he was really horny before someone broke it to him.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, April 27, 2010 3:36 AM (5 hours ago) ftr I totally don't get this argument, when has ralph ever been aware of the import of anything he says. he's totally the kid you teach solecisms to who'll never question the meaning of it and always use it. someone taught one of the chinese tutors at my last job that saying "I'm really horny!" was a cool & american way of saying "I'm really happy!" and he went around for a week telling people he was really horny before someone broke it to him.
so your counter argument is that we are to assume there's a backstory of someone teaching Ralph that viking=one who excels? that's the more logical to view it? occam's razor works well with comedy
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 05:55 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, never even heard of the "dreams he's a viking" version until tonight. Totally baffled and flummoxed by it... I mean I file this under the same as Marge declaring "Now it's Marge's time to shine!" except just using this weird idiom that's probably something one of Ralph's teachers have fed him when trying to encourage him to go to sleep.
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:18 (fourteen years ago) link
a) lovin this thread; ii) amazed that this is a thing; 3) can see how in a moment of unguarded innocence someone might think that ralph means he excels at sleeping; cannot see how, on being told the dream explanation, they would not go 'OH my god OF COURSE that is so OBVIOUS!'
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:30 (fourteen years ago) link
you're right, language is static and words never take on new meanings
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:31 (fourteen years ago) link
I never take context into account when interpreting language!
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:32 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean I file this under the same as Marge declaring "Now it's Marge's time to shine!"
OK wow now see that one's an obvious turn of phrase for "marge's time to be awesome" because ITS ALREADY A SAYING.
"I'm a viking" isnt a saying aaaaaa this is like the think/thing thread hahaha this is doing my head in.
― Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:32 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.bingegamer.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/lost-vikings.jpg
― ian, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:33 (fourteen years ago) link
guys.
ralph means that sleep is literally where he becomes a viking
shit is simple
― stars on ?boardid=45 (Curt1s Stephens), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:35 (fourteen years ago) link
flummoxed by people connecting "sleep" + "a scenario that is not connected to reality" = dreaming? seriously? you are. flummoxed. you. right now. by that.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i do have to say that ILX seems way more in agreement on this than most places
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Crut OTM.
― Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Even the grammar doesn't work. That's WHERE I'm a viking. Not: I'm a viking at the task of sleeping. I'm the viking of sleep, you could say. When it comes to sleeping, it's safe to consider me to be at viking level. vsIn the land of dreams, that's where it's like I'm an actual viking and being a viking is cool cause of the exploring and the cool helmets, I so can't wait to get back to sleep and do some pillaging.
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:55 (fourteen years ago) link
me fail english, that's unpossible
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 06:59 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah but it's not even fucked up enough grammar to be funny, just enough to make interpretation A implausible
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 07:06 (fourteen years ago) link
this poll should be a question on civil service exams
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 07:07 (fourteen years ago) link
it establishes that ralph is an unreliable narrator
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 07:08 (fourteen years ago) link
has post-structuralism taught us NOTHING
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 07:09 (fourteen years ago) link
Off to sleep for me, where I'm a Mayan at explaining jokes to fools
― hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 07:14 (fourteen years ago) link
IMO: "sleep, thats where I'm a viking!" = "sleep, thats where I'm a fairy queen/merchant banker/cyborg destructor/[insert fantasy dreamstate of choice]"
― Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 07:17 (fourteen years ago) link
Shouldn't option B say: Ralph means that sleep is where he dreams he is a viking? I mean obviously he doesn't literally become a viking when he's asleep (though if he does, maybe he dreams about being a boy).
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:29 (fourteen years ago) link
the problem is,sleep doesn't necessarily imply dreaming
― ⚡ You vike this. (dyao), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:37 (fourteen years ago) link
ralph a bit sketchy on the whole
http://intepid.com/res/417.gif
distinction
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:38 (fourteen years ago) link
He might believe that he becomes a viking, but that doesn't mean that we should believe it.
― Home Taping Is Killing Muzak (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:41 (fourteen years ago) link
"ralph means that sleep is literally where he becomes a viking" - that is what ralph means. what we believe is not important.
― the big pink suede panda bear hurts (ledge), Tuesday, 27 April 2010 09:48 (fourteen years ago) link