― Vic (Vic), Friday, 13 August 2004 11:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 13 August 2004 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 13 August 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st, Friday, 13 August 2004 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Friday, 13 August 2004 20:54 (nineteen years ago) link
I see what you're saying. I just bought the Buda Musique El Sett CD (due largely to this thread) and, yeah, her voice doesn't seem "beautiful" in a conventionally western sense (unlike, say, Amalia Rodriguez, who when I first heard her, I said OMFG) but even on first listen I'm intrigued by her vocalization. There's something there that fascinates. And this, of course, is all 30's material--the only thing immediately available to me. Thanks for the tips!
― Paul Ess (Paul Ess), Saturday, 14 August 2004 02:02 (nineteen years ago) link
Also, it really helps if you can see some live footage of her performances.
(I was disappointed when I finally heard some Amalia Rodriguez, incidentally. "World music diva" fite!)
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 14 August 2004 12:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 14 August 2004 12:46 (nineteen years ago) link
(The complexities of what she does with her voice can't adequately be modeled by pelvic thrusting though.)
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 14 August 2004 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ian c=====8 (orion), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:26 (nineteen years ago) link
this is a very politically sensitive issue, R.S. america's dependency on saudi arabian music is something that out government needs to reevaluate. perhaps they can look into alernative sourcse of arabian music, or more efficiently utilize relatively untapped resources of arabian music in alaska or the texas panhandle.
― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
That's the spirit.
amateurist, the whole idea of buying CDs made in a country whose official theology is anti-music (or something close to that) is baffling.
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!st, Wednesday, 15 September 2004 20:03 (nineteen years ago) link
(I don't mean to bug you, but my e-mail account is kind of unreliable, so there's a real chance you didn't.)
(Unfortunately, the post office has also been unreliable lately.)
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― gaz (gaz), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Reed Moore (diamond), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Reed Moore (diamond), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 23:29 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 7 October 2004 21:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 23:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 00:38 (nineteen years ago) link
(And I just got the contract ratification bonus check today. Wheeee! And I took some decongestant because I'm getting a sinus infection! Wheeeee!)
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 00:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 00:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 24 October 2004 03:21 (nineteen years ago) link
gaz, you can e-mail me at my new normal ILX e-mail address: oumtransmissions@go.com. I have even written down my password.
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist Scientist, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 19:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― H (Heruy), Thursday, 28 October 2004 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (rockist_scientist), Thursday, 28 October 2004 12:05 (nineteen years ago) link
I also saw yesterday that Women's Voices Across Musical Worlds has an article on the subject of this thread by Virginia Danielson, which looked like a really good compact introduction to Oum Kalthoum.
― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 31 December 2004 17:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 31 December 2004 20:55 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS LaRue (rockist_scientist), Saturday, 1 January 2005 01:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Wednesday, 9 March 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago) link
Recommended recordings:
Why is Al Atlal so often the recommended CD? Why that as the only one-song CD they recommend? Why recommend the 5 volume EMI collection of early material? Why bypass the core of her greatest work: the late 30s through the early 60s?
I paid over ten dollars for this issue of Songlines, so I could complain about this?
(Songlines is really lightweight. Despite it's frequent mediocrity, I think The Beat's coverage of the "world music" that it covers, which probably wouldn't include Oum Kalthoum, is better.)
Geez, I think the Oum Kalthoum intro. that appeared in Global Rhythms was better than this (but that's by the same author who wrote that NPR guide mentioned above, and I get the impression that he's spent some time listening to Oum Kalthoum.
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 02:42 (nineteen years ago) link
Actually, Songlines is pretty good for reviews. It's the articles that are usually a let-down.
― RS £aRue (rockist_scientist), Friday, 11 March 2005 22:36 (nineteen years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umm_Kulthum
Jah Wobble? He's worth mentioning in a capsule biography of Umm Kulthum? (Did Natacha Atlas write this?)
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago) link
http://www.lorenlarsen.com/joanna/ummbio.htm
I think Mohammed might just be a little better known.
She did not use musical scores, she simply sang a few simple lines over and over altering them as her heart saw fit.
She didn't read scores while performing, but her works were probably all pre-composed. The lines might have generally been fairly simple, but some of the lyrics were considered to be very challenging poetry.
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Oum Kalthoum in Iraq, 1932. (That's what the website said anyway.)
― RS_LaRue (RSLaRue), Thursday, 5 May 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago) link
Oum Kalthoum's villa.
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 23 August 2005 23:29 (eighteen years ago) link
BOOM, the GLASSES.
― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 24 August 2005 01:45 (eighteen years ago) link
Thanks
― amina marref, Monday, 7 November 2005 16:05 (eighteen years ago) link
"The greatest ever singer in the world"--Rabih Abou Khalil (quoted in Songlines, Jan/Feb 2006).
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 28 July 2006 21:15 (seventeen years ago) link