that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

basically "liberal guilt" vs "redneck humor"

Liking The Wire - white

Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink

This is bordering on truism. The rest of that I basically agree with, although it's not functional if you want to talk about "white culture" and "black culture."

Yeah, this is about white guilt.

black people can also be yellow or pink btw

"hipsters disparaging their parents" right?

Yeah.

&xxpost yeah

I mean, I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes

Does anyone remember an article from around the 4th season of the Wire about an academic who was watching the show with kids living in that community? (Ie: Stfu wrt liking the wire = white.)

xpost We know this stuff.

then act like it

I mean, I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes

― HI DERE, Friday, April 23, 2010 11:39 AM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark

a/s/l?

I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes

Espcially down with this if they are girls and cute.

Ha ha goole. Beat me to it.

I said that for lulz, Mordy. Oh, and it's true.

naw jk

(true)

social constructivists - white

Well one is actually my mom's cousin and is 70. The other is 34 and had a baby with one of the dudes from Bone Thugs and Harmony.

Okay, if I disparage white people, it's usually those parts of my family who are white, Protestant Christian, racist (and not as good at hiding it as they like to think), jingoist, eat shitty food, have an annoying chip on their shoulder about me thinking this of them, and with whom I can have neither a fun time nor a good conversation and what I hate about them most is their assumption that, since I'm a white American male, I will automatically share their stupid prejudices.

i notched white on my census form, but i was kinda bummed. wanted to list as Jewish, but i guess it's for the best that there isn't such a choice (lul jews + lists). Besides, from experience (doing 20th century census analysis for classwork) i'm sure future scholars won't have any trouble figuring out that m0rd3ch4i s41n3f13ld was jewish.

How, Dan? Act like it how? That's some condescending bullshit to presume that people don't have eyes, or some ilxor's never heard of Wallace Thurman.

Because recent immigrants don't fit into the rubric easily (and there's a whole history of ethnic groups BECOMING white over time...)

Sorry, Mordy, I missed this. Hispanics coming to US, used to be "white," now "hispanic," blah blah. Yeah.

bam for someone who is eager to call ppl out for being "obvious" u are saying some freshman seminar-level shit up in this

^^^^ basically my point; your argument at the moment is basically "I hate generalities except when they are mine"

Be more specific, max, because you guys say that pretty frequently.

bamcquern = Vision?

I guess when I do this I'm basically just annoyed at the self-satisfied mediocrity of white middle-class identity.

Talk about the generality, then. And which ones am I hating on (for their being generalities)? I mean, do you disagree because I'm WRONG or because I'm OBVIOUS? Or both? And if both, you sort that out for me.

mordy asks "what does white mean" in this instance which is uhhhh a pretty relevant question and youre all "pretty obvious to do that" when like 10 posts prior you were all "were all racist man" which is... true on some insanely broad level? i guess? but not exactly a truth bomb into our brains

What wrong with saying obvious things? You don't get extra points for contrarian obtuse bullshit.

i dont even "disagree" with you because i cant even figure out what youre SAYING except that like... there is racism

sorry to bring this up again but before yall go any further into being annoyed at the self-satisfied mediocrity of white middle-class identity i just wanna make sure you've signed the dream act petition first kthx :)

I didn't have a problem with Mordy's post when I figured out he was being sincere. No, wait, I hedged in my orig. response to him, in case he was being sincere. But in case he intended to deconstruct "white," I thought that was already implicit in everything we were saying - that we were all on the same page.

One thing I really hate is when white people insist that others spend all afternoon carefully explaining why they are misguided. Bugs the shit out of me.

Then it's for being obvious. There is racism. I'll leave it at that.

syntactically weird, suzy

tbh, this doesn't really happen ever around my friends/acquaintances. i don't think i've ever participated in a conversation where we just hung around and disparaged the wrong kind of white people (unless it was hyper specific, like tea partiers, or people at Palin rallies). so this could only exist in some iconic, decontextualized way -- like it's more like something Liz Lemon would do in a 30 Rock episode than real people IRL. (Or I could be totally off-base and there are loads of people who do this.)

it's that "insist that others" - not syntax, word choice.

its also for throwing around statements about 'black culture' and 'black youth culture' and 'black majority' without any kind of qualifying explanation of what you mean! xxp

A BRIEF STORY ABOUT RACE IN AMERICA:

last fall I was in a modernist lit class where we read Cane by Jean Toomer, a dude of super-mixed creole descent who had assumed various racial identities throughout his life (went to both all-white and all-black segregated schools as a child, to give just one example).

several people were misled by the author's name and the prominence of female characters into thinking that Jean Toomer was a woman; when they learned that he was not, they expressed surprise and admiration for his ability, "as a man", to write complex/compelling/'realistic' female characters.

then, when it came time to talk about race, those same people didn't hesitate to assert that Toomer was CLEARLY black, regardless of what he himself might have to say about the matter; it's all right there in the text, "you can just tell" -- no white person could have possibly written about the lives and experiences of black characters with that degree of insight/sympathy/understanding/whatever...

it was sorta frustrating

i read cane in my modernist lit class too! did you guys read nightwood too?

You don't get extra points for contrarian obtuse bullshit.

can we just hold up a second while I process what this claim, if true, means for the lie that I have constructed as my life

xp
yup!

college!

seriously can't get through like 2 pgs. of nightwood over here

I'm right here. No need to throw around all those xxps. Well then start there.

Black majority - most of US blacks. Not a lot of money. Lots of them in jail.

Black youth culture (of the black majority, I said) - visit an 8th grade classroom of black kids - this would be - Being smart is gay. Mainstream rap & r&b. "White" dominant culture, when appreciated, is seen as exotic nonetheless.

Black culture - an interplay of how blacks and whites perceive "black culture"?

Trying to participate in a fast-moving conversation.

Black majority - most of US blacks.

hilarious

lolwat?

I get...zero points for contrarian obtuse bullshit

fuckin'

man oh man

well now i just feel silly being on this thread

i read cane in my modernist lit class too! did you guys read nightwood too?

― max, Friday, April 23, 2010 12:05 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

Tired. You can engage if you disagree. Maybe noise dudes can't?

re: black majority

Wtf else could it mean? Oh, wait, I see what's wrong with that. Is that quoted out of context? Didn't I add a couple of sociological qualifiers.

I get...zero points for contrarian obtuse bullshit

fuckin'

man oh man

― brad whitford's guitar explorations (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, April 23, 2010 1:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

well, u know, being smart is gay--ask any black youth

bamcquern, why u want to troll + breaked mine <3?