that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

http://religionandterror.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/blacks-vs-whites-after-civil-war.jpg

So far the only funny one has been the MJ "Thriller" gif.

Faygo a little funny. White and black dude a teensy bit.

What exactly is a white person?

I don't mean to sound baiting, or like a troll. But like, when people talk about 'white people,' esp in the US, don't they tend to mean someone of light complexion whose family immigrated here more than X number of years ago? Because recent immigrants don't fit into the rubric easily (and there's a whole history of ethnic groups BECOMING white over time...)

can we talk about music in here

no "I'm white btw" yet?

A bit obvious to deconstruct "white" like that, unless you actually want to know what it is.

A "female friend" weighs in: "And sometimes it does a disservice to frank acknowledgement of sociocultural inequity to focus on exceptions-i tended to be one w/regard to gender but it would be disingenuous to equate my exceptionality with any sort of norm."

Somewhat similar to this is men who disparage "men" usually from a feminist perspective - eg., talking about how "men" should step aside and let women run things, seeing how men have managed to thoroughly screw up the planet, and so on. This seems a little more serious to me than the racial version, which is usually played for laughs, since you could make a case from a biological perspective that men are more prone to violence or other undesirable behavior.

I find 'black' and 'white' increasingly problematic. Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink and the constructs of 'white' and 'black' as cultures (aside from mere pigmentation) are ones that I find increasingly annoying whatever their historical and indentific realities so I try not to diss 'white people' and save my ammo for specific assholes.

http://rlv.zcache.com/general_james_longstreet_tshirt-p235706652153917715t5e4_400.jpg

'black' and 'white' might be made up but that doesn't mean they are not real

anyway, james longstreet zazzle tshirt, yall

A bit obvious to deconstruct "white" like that, unless you actually want to know what it is.

I'm just curious what this thread is about. I assume it's not about White Anglo-Saxon Protestants disparaging the *wrong* (Jewish? Catholic?) kinds of whites. It really means something closer to "hipsters disparaging their parents" right?

basically "liberal guilt" vs "redneck humor"

Liking The Wire - white

Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink

This is bordering on truism. The rest of that I basically agree with, although it's not functional if you want to talk about "white culture" and "black culture."

Yeah, this is about white guilt.

black people can also be yellow or pink btw

"hipsters disparaging their parents" right?

Yeah.

&xxpost yeah

I mean, I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes

Does anyone remember an article from around the 4th season of the Wire about an academic who was watching the show with kids living in that community? (Ie: Stfu wrt liking the wire = white.)

xpost We know this stuff.

then act like it

I mean, I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes

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I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes

Espcially down with this if they are girls and cute.

Ha ha goole. Beat me to it.

I said that for lulz, Mordy. Oh, and it's true.

naw jk

(true)

social constructivists - white

Well one is actually my mom's cousin and is 70. The other is 34 and had a baby with one of the dudes from Bone Thugs and Harmony.

Okay, if I disparage white people, it's usually those parts of my family who are white, Protestant Christian, racist (and not as good at hiding it as they like to think), jingoist, eat shitty food, have an annoying chip on their shoulder about me thinking this of them, and with whom I can have neither a fun time nor a good conversation and what I hate about them most is their assumption that, since I'm a white American male, I will automatically share their stupid prejudices.

i notched white on my census form, but i was kinda bummed. wanted to list as Jewish, but i guess it's for the best that there isn't such a choice (lul jews + lists). Besides, from experience (doing 20th century census analysis for classwork) i'm sure future scholars won't have any trouble figuring out that m0rd3ch4i s41n3f13ld was jewish.

How, Dan? Act like it how? That's some condescending bullshit to presume that people don't have eyes, or some ilxor's never heard of Wallace Thurman.

Because recent immigrants don't fit into the rubric easily (and there's a whole history of ethnic groups BECOMING white over time...)

Sorry, Mordy, I missed this. Hispanics coming to US, used to be "white," now "hispanic," blah blah. Yeah.

bam for someone who is eager to call ppl out for being "obvious" u are saying some freshman seminar-level shit up in this

^^^^ basically my point; your argument at the moment is basically "I hate generalities except when they are mine"

Be more specific, max, because you guys say that pretty frequently.

bamcquern = Vision?

I guess when I do this I'm basically just annoyed at the self-satisfied mediocrity of white middle-class identity.

Talk about the generality, then. And which ones am I hating on (for their being generalities)? I mean, do you disagree because I'm WRONG or because I'm OBVIOUS? Or both? And if both, you sort that out for me.

mordy asks "what does white mean" in this instance which is uhhhh a pretty relevant question and youre all "pretty obvious to do that" when like 10 posts prior you were all "were all racist man" which is... true on some insanely broad level? i guess? but not exactly a truth bomb into our brains

What wrong with saying obvious things? You don't get extra points for contrarian obtuse bullshit.

i dont even "disagree" with you because i cant even figure out what youre SAYING except that like... there is racism

sorry to bring this up again but before yall go any further into being annoyed at the self-satisfied mediocrity of white middle-class identity i just wanna make sure you've signed the dream act petition first kthx :)

I didn't have a problem with Mordy's post when I figured out he was being sincere. No, wait, I hedged in my orig. response to him, in case he was being sincere. But in case he intended to deconstruct "white," I thought that was already implicit in everything we were saying - that we were all on the same page.

One thing I really hate is when white people insist that others spend all afternoon carefully explaining why they are misguided. Bugs the shit out of me.

Then it's for being obvious. There is racism. I'll leave it at that.

syntactically weird, suzy

tbh, this doesn't really happen ever around my friends/acquaintances. i don't think i've ever participated in a conversation where we just hung around and disparaged the wrong kind of white people (unless it was hyper specific, like tea partiers, or people at Palin rallies). so this could only exist in some iconic, decontextualized way -- like it's more like something Liz Lemon would do in a 30 Rock episode than real people IRL. (Or I could be totally off-base and there are loads of people who do this.)

it's that "insist that others" - not syntax, word choice.

its also for throwing around statements about 'black culture' and 'black youth culture' and 'black majority' without any kind of qualifying explanation of what you mean! xxp

A BRIEF STORY ABOUT RACE IN AMERICA:

last fall I was in a modernist lit class where we read Cane by Jean Toomer, a dude of super-mixed creole descent who had assumed various racial identities throughout his life (went to both all-white and all-black segregated schools as a child, to give just one example).

several people were misled by the author's name and the prominence of female characters into thinking that Jean Toomer was a woman; when they learned that he was not, they expressed surprise and admiration for his ability, "as a man", to write complex/compelling/'realistic' female characters.

then, when it came time to talk about race, those same people didn't hesitate to assert that Toomer was CLEARLY black, regardless of what he himself might have to say about the matter; it's all right there in the text, "you can just tell" -- no white person could have possibly written about the lives and experiences of black characters with that degree of insight/sympathy/understanding/whatever...

it was sorta frustrating