like 30 secs faster and it would be my login under that post
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:50 (thirteen years ago) link
people of non-color
― velko, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:51 (thirteen years ago) link
Hmm, if I've ever disparaged a 'white person' it's generally when they're exhibiting some annoying form of 'white privilege'.
― yes we kenya (suzy), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:53 (thirteen years ago) link
making sort of vague generalities abt the habits of a race is not a particularly constructive way to have a conversation, even if your hearts int the right place
well the thing is people's hearts usually aren't in the right place and they're not trying to have a constructive conversation - it's usually always as in "lol white people". i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, 23 April 2010 15:54 (thirteen years ago) link
race vs. class
― am0n, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
if any american whites are interested in mitigating for their whiteness feel free to sign the petition to pass the dream act, has something to do with stopping illegal mexican kids from getting deported or something, i dunno
― iiiijjjj, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:55 (thirteen years ago) link
i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, April 23, 2010 11:54 AM
u do know dom doesn't post here anymore rite
― am0n, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:58 (thirteen years ago) link
this just in: white people still corny
― velko, Friday, 23 April 2010 15:59 (thirteen years ago) link
This sounds like the worst thing
― am0n, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:00 (thirteen years ago) link
Not monolithically. Generalizing is not stereotyping, and it doesn't preclude the existence of people who don't fit. And "black majority," a phrase widely used and understood, narrows the group down quite a lot, and talking about black youth narrows the group further.
My argument's not quite the same as his, but it's not too different from the way Houston Baker talks about US blacks using generalizations. He includes more examples but he's writing books, not ilx posts.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:01 (thirteen years ago) link
Holy Jesus and Mary Chain and Joseph.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:02 (thirteen years ago) link
one of the problems with using "white" as shorthand for "middle-class" or "dorky" or "liberal arts grad" is that it implicitly writes out all of the non-whites who literally exist in these spaces.
That's implicitly in my post. That's what I said I disliked.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, April 23, 2010 11:54 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
i dont think we disagree? what do you think im trying to say?
― max, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:04 (thirteen years ago) link
"heart's in the right place" "problematic"
Just call me racist.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:05 (thirteen years ago) link
u r not racistu r white ppl tho
― nakhchivan, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:08 (thirteen years ago) link
generalizing isnt stereotyping, but it suffers from some of the same discursive problems, doesnt it? and im not sure "black majority" is quite a widely-used and understood as you think!
― max, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:09 (thirteen years ago) link
jeez dude i dont think youre "racist"
― max, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:10 (thirteen years ago) link
http://readjack.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/43-carcetti-and-norman.jpg
― Matt DC, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:11 (thirteen years ago) link
http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e14/what-is-a-juggalo.2764772.36.jpg
― goole, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Then it's not as widely-used and understood as I think, but it's understood by the people I need to understand it, who are the people in my life I talk about race to. I talk about race A LOT, so forgive me for being glib and rushed and using generalizations.
<------ mad light though
Generalizing is fine place to start. If you end with it, you're not really generalizing anymore, you're recapitulating your argument.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:12 (thirteen years ago) link
There's a difference between being a bigot and a racist. Everyone's racist. Certainly I am. And I have said so to my lol black friends.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
Solved: Why White Ppl are Assholes
― velko, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:14 (thirteen years ago) link
i dont even know what youre talking about now
― max, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:15 (thirteen years ago) link
max is a racist
― my two percent's worth (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:19 (thirteen years ago) link
we're all racists
― my two percent's worth (k3vin k.), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:20 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean that we are not colorblind, or just blind! We see differences in culure, personality and physical characteristics. To pretend that we don't is silly, naive, whatever. That doesn't mean that you don't distinguish between the structural and the behavioral roots of problems, that you become a bigot, that you value the dominant culture more, that you don't put a check to predispositions to prejudice, or that you don't reason with yourself about matters of race. You DO have to reason with yourself about race. You aren't born knowing what you need to know about it, whether you're white or not.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:22 (thirteen years ago) link
^^^ I'm assuming this is not controversial. Tell me if it is.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
culure = culture, obv
http://religionandterror.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/blacks-vs-whites-after-civil-war.jpg
― goole, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:23 (thirteen years ago) link
So far the only funny one has been the MJ "Thriller" gif.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Faygo a little funny. White and black dude a teensy bit.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:25 (thirteen years ago) link
What exactly is a white person?
― Mordy, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:29 (thirteen years ago) link
I don't mean to sound baiting, or like a troll. But like, when people talk about 'white people,' esp in the US, don't they tend to mean someone of light complexion whose family immigrated here more than X number of years ago? Because recent immigrants don't fit into the rubric easily (and there's a whole history of ethnic groups BECOMING white over time...)
― Mordy, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:31 (thirteen years ago) link
can we talk about music in here
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
no "I'm white btw" yet?
― he takes the account of everything in the universe into consideration (dan m), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:32 (thirteen years ago) link
A bit obvious to deconstruct "white" like that, unless you actually want to know what it is.
A "female friend" weighs in: "And sometimes it does a disservice to frank acknowledgement of sociocultural inequity to focus on exceptions-i tended to be one w/regard to gender but it would be disingenuous to equate my exceptionality with any sort of norm."
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:33 (thirteen years ago) link
Somewhat similar to this is men who disparage "men" usually from a feminist perspective - eg., talking about how "men" should step aside and let women run things, seeing how men have managed to thoroughly screw up the planet, and so on. This seems a little more serious to me than the racial version, which is usually played for laughs, since you could make a case from a biological perspective that men are more prone to violence or other undesirable behavior.
― o. nate, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
I find 'black' and 'white' increasingly problematic. Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink and the constructs of 'white' and 'black' as cultures (aside from mere pigmentation) are ones that I find increasingly annoying whatever their historical and indentific realities so I try not to diss 'white people' and save my ammo for specific assholes.
― Il suffit de ne pas l'envier (Michael White), Friday, 23 April 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
http://rlv.zcache.com/general_james_longstreet_tshirt-p235706652153917715t5e4_400.jpg
― goole, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:34 (thirteen years ago) link
'black' and 'white' might be made up but that doesn't mean they are not real
anyway, james longstreet zazzle tshirt, yall
― goole, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:35 (thirteen years ago) link
I'm just curious what this thread is about. I assume it's not about White Anglo-Saxon Protestants disparaging the *wrong* (Jewish? Catholic?) kinds of whites. It really means something closer to "hipsters disparaging their parents" right?
― Mordy, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:36 (thirteen years ago) link
basically "liberal guilt" vs "redneck humor"
― HI DERE, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Liking The Wire - white
Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink
This is bordering on truism. The rest of that I basically agree with, although it's not functional if you want to talk about "white culture" and "black culture."
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
Yeah, this is about white guilt.
― jaymc, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:38 (thirteen years ago) link
black people can also be yellow or pink btw
― HI DERE, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
"hipsters disparaging their parents" right?
Yeah.
&xxpost yeah
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:39 (thirteen years ago) link
I mean, I can introduce to cousins of mine who have two African-American parents who have natural red hair and green eyes
Does anyone remember an article from around the 4th season of the Wire about an academic who was watching the show with kids living in that community? (Ie: Stfu wrt liking the wire = white.)
― Mordy, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link
xpost We know this stuff.
― bamcquern, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
then act like it
― HI DERE, Friday, 23 April 2010 16:41 (thirteen years ago) link
It's only like a second religion in India.
― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
xp - I had actually forgotten that notorious white supremacist Pat Buchanan was a regular on McLaughlin Group
― sarahell, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:10 (three years ago) link
I can't think about the McLaughlin Group without think of Dana Carvey's impersonation
― Dana Jel Pey (DJP), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:13 (three years ago) link
not to be too trenchant but in response to the thread concept, the reason many white ppl do that thing where they disparage white ppl is because they know in their hearts that they are culpable for white supremacy and lack the courage to change the system by so instead they mock it in an impotent attempt at self-disenfranchisement and surface relief from the static guilt of being the oppressor classyour daily reminder that white supremacy - or indeed any form of meritless caste system - benefits no one in the long run.
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:13 (three years ago) link
you might even say it'shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZrrWj_y3Mc
― G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:14 (three years ago) link
lol I appreciate you, DJP, and also map! Despite the fact that we've all been Very Online for 20 years and usually communicate pretty well, I feel like this is a weird way to have this particular conversation.
For the record I don't have a problem making fun of "whiteness" although it's a subtle art, maybe, and I think a couple of different things are being flattened itt. If white people don't talk to each other about white supremacy, and normalize it like we've normalized talking about...idk colonialism (maybe? I Am Not A Historian), then...what? It can't be left unspoken like we all understand it and it's beneath our dignity to address it.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:24 (three years ago) link
The spotify playlist bit makes me think that “white people talking about whiteness” when it comes to music is usually a white person deciding that a song that was/is ubiquitous during their life that they now find corny or cliche is “white culture” regardless of who actually liked or listened to it!
― mh, Tuesday, 6 April 2021 16:25 (three years ago) link
haven't read this and probably won't tbh but I think it'll probably play many of the hits from above
https://www.gawker.com/culture/white-people-love-calling-other-white-people-white-people?utm_campaign=gawker&utm_content=1643983531&utm_medium=owned&utm_source=twitter
― Ár an broc a mhic (darraghmac), Friday, 4 February 2022 14:14 (two years ago) link
A few years ago I wrote a surly little rant in the Spectator magazine
Can't believe you wouldn't want to read an article that starts this way.
― nashwan, Friday, 4 February 2022 14:42 (two years ago) link
i love links that end utm_source=twitter
― sarahell, Tuesday, 8 February 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link
Here are 5 out 7 members of the cantonal government of St-Gallen, Switzerland, plus its chancellor. pic.twitter.com/qlPNNTE0KA— alexandre afonso (@alexandreafonso) February 12, 2022
― calzino, Saturday, 12 February 2022 11:25 (two years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzQVOtJWEAghMVi.jpgp
― snarl self own (Karl Malone), Saturday, 12 February 2022 11:33 (two years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/WMpeV2q.jpg
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/2/24/Talosians_3.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190309003202&path-prefix=en
― Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 February 2022 12:43 (two years ago) link
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/9/9f/Talosians.png
O buggeration!
― Bastards of Fish (Tom D.), Saturday, 12 February 2022 12:45 (two years ago) link