that thing white ppl do when they disparage 'white ppl'

I'm the whitest girl in the world

Can you unpack what you mean by that, though?

her skin is this color: http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpg&size=l&tid=4820506

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_xfxmmOzXySs/SYAsMgcOTPI/AAAAAAAAAL8/xb4-GR4X9qE/s400/unpack+adjectives.jpg

Tell me why.

For one thing, you're treating "black people" monolithically. This is one thing that Nabisco has written astutely about -- one of the problems with using "white" as shorthand for "middle-class" or "dorky" or "liberal arts grad" is that it implicitly writes out all of the non-whites who literally exist in these spaces.

In the black majority this tendency seems reinforced by their culture, particularly youth culture and the media they consume

its not that i dont see what youre saying here (and fwiw i dont think i agree, but whatever), its just a kind of problematic way of saying it, isnt it? making sort of vague generalities abt the habits of a race is not a particularly constructive way to have a conversation, even if your hearts int the right place, in other words.

xp jaymc otm

yeah i was gonna get started on a post for this thread and i then i thought, no

ppl are white btw

u stole my post

like 30 secs faster and it would be my login under that post

people of non-color

Hmm, if I've ever disparaged a 'white person' it's generally when they're exhibiting some annoying form of 'white privilege'.

making sort of vague generalities abt the habits of a race is not a particularly constructive way to have a conversation, even if your hearts int the right place

well the thing is people's hearts usually aren't in the right place and they're not trying to have a constructive conversation - it's usually always as in "lol white people". i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~

race vs. class

if any american whites are interested in mitigating for their whiteness feel free to sign the petition to pass the dream act, has something to do with stopping illegal mexican kids from getting deported or something, i dunno

i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, April 23, 2010 11:54 AM

u do know dom doesn't post here anymore rite

this just in: white people still corny

This sounds like the worst thing

Not monolithically. Generalizing is not stereotyping, and it doesn't preclude the existence of people who don't fit. And "black majority," a phrase widely used and understood, narrows the group down quite a lot, and talking about black youth narrows the group further.

My argument's not quite the same as his, but it's not too different from the way Houston Baker talks about US blacks using generalizations. He includes more examples but he's writing books, not ilx posts.

Holy Jesus and Mary Chain and Joseph.

one of the problems with using "white" as shorthand for "middle-class" or "dorky" or "liberal arts grad" is that it implicitly writes out all of the non-whites who literally exist in these spaces.

That's implicitly in my post. That's what I said I disliked.

well the thing is people's hearts usually aren't in the right place and they're not trying to have a constructive conversation - it's usually always as in "lol white people". i thought you of all people were into internet lols at the expense of others~

― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Friday, April 23, 2010 11:54 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i dont think we disagree? what do you think im trying to say?

"heart's in the right place" "problematic"

Just call me racist.

u r not racist
u r white ppl tho

Not monolithically. Generalizing is not stereotyping, and it doesn't preclude the existence of people who don't fit. And "black majority," a phrase widely used and understood, narrows the group down quite a lot, and talking about black youth narrows the group further.

generalizing isnt stereotyping, but it suffers from some of the same discursive problems, doesnt it? and im not sure "black majority" is quite a widely-used and understood as you think!

jeez dude i dont think youre "racist"

http://readjack.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/43-carcetti-and-norman.jpg

http://vvoice.vo.llnwd.net/e14/what-is-a-juggalo.2764772.36.jpg

Then it's not as widely-used and understood as I think, but it's understood by the people I need to understand it, who are the people in my life I talk about race to. I talk about race A LOT, so forgive me for being glib and rushed and using generalizations.

<------ mad light though

Generalizing is fine place to start. If you end with it, you're not really generalizing anymore, you're recapitulating your argument.

There's a difference between being a bigot and a racist. Everyone's racist. Certainly I am. And I have said so to my lol black friends.

Solved: Why White Ppl are Assholes

i dont even know what youre talking about now

max is a racist

we're all racists

I mean that we are not colorblind, or just blind! We see differences in culure, personality and physical characteristics. To pretend that we don't is silly, naive, whatever. That doesn't mean that you don't distinguish between the structural and the behavioral roots of problems, that you become a bigot, that you value the dominant culture more, that you don't put a check to predispositions to prejudice, or that you don't reason with yourself about matters of race. You DO have to reason with yourself about race. You aren't born knowing what you need to know about it, whether you're white or not.

^^^ I'm assuming this is not controversial. Tell me if it is.

culure = culture, obv

http://religionandterror.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/blacks-vs-whites-after-civil-war.jpg

So far the only funny one has been the MJ "Thriller" gif.

Faygo a little funny. White and black dude a teensy bit.

What exactly is a white person?

I don't mean to sound baiting, or like a troll. But like, when people talk about 'white people,' esp in the US, don't they tend to mean someone of light complexion whose family immigrated here more than X number of years ago? Because recent immigrants don't fit into the rubric easily (and there's a whole history of ethnic groups BECOMING white over time...)

can we talk about music in here

no "I'm white btw" yet?

A bit obvious to deconstruct "white" like that, unless you actually want to know what it is.

A "female friend" weighs in: "And sometimes it does a disservice to frank acknowledgement of sociocultural inequity to focus on exceptions-i tended to be one w/regard to gender but it would be disingenuous to equate my exceptionality with any sort of norm."

Somewhat similar to this is men who disparage "men" usually from a feminist perspective - eg., talking about how "men" should step aside and let women run things, seeing how men have managed to thoroughly screw up the planet, and so on. This seems a little more serious to me than the racial version, which is usually played for laughs, since you could make a case from a biological perspective that men are more prone to violence or other undesirable behavior.

I find 'black' and 'white' increasingly problematic. Black people are brown and white people vary from pale yellow(ish) to my own lovely shade of pink and the constructs of 'white' and 'black' as cultures (aside from mere pigmentation) are ones that I find increasingly annoying whatever their historical and indentific realities so I try not to diss 'white people' and save my ammo for specific assholes.

http://rlv.zcache.com/general_james_longstreet_tshirt-p235706652153917715t5e4_400.jpg

'black' and 'white' might be made up but that doesn't mean they are not real

anyway, james longstreet zazzle tshirt, yall

A bit obvious to deconstruct "white" like that, unless you actually want to know what it is.

I'm just curious what this thread is about. I assume it's not about White Anglo-Saxon Protestants disparaging the *wrong* (Jewish? Catholic?) kinds of whites. It really means something closer to "hipsters disparaging their parents" right?

Like idk The McLaughlin Group

Don't know enough about the McLaughlin Group to know if it's whiter than cricket.

Bagatellen

Non-idiomatic improv passes through whiteness and achieves translucence.

xp - The original incarnation aired on PBS member TV stations and the PBS digital subchannel World as well as on some local commercial TV stations, including WCBS-TV in New York City. During its run, underwriters included Pfizer, the New York Stock Exchange, and GE (the longest-serving).

The first mention of the McLaughlin group made me lol irl. That show is where titanium white is manufactured

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLaughlin_(host)

attempts to paint a certain cultural product as white from ppl who are themselves white are usually done to distance themselves from said culture and carry cachet as a hip not-that-kind-of-white-person

Absolutely. There's been some discussion along these lines in the ILM thread about the Floating Points/Pharoah Sanders album (though it's disguised as classism — calling it "dinner party music" and whatnot), and what strikes me is how thoroughly that erases Pharoah Sanders' agency, when the album was his idea.

Cricket is a phenomenal example of Daniel Rf's truthbomb

Actually I have seen the McLaughlin thing, it was on some obscure channel over here in the 2000s, an American guy I used to know whose flat I hang out in would watch it, along with other 'American things' like Jackass.

isn't cricket also popular in former British colonies?

It's only like a second religion in India.

xp - I had actually forgotten that notorious white supremacist Pat Buchanan was a regular on McLaughlin Group

I can't think about the McLaughlin Group without think of Dana Carvey's impersonation

not to be too trenchant but in response to the thread concept, the reason many white ppl do that thing where they disparage white ppl is because they know in their hearts that they are culpable for white supremacy and lack the courage to change the system by so instead they mock it in an impotent attempt at self-disenfranchisement and surface relief from the static guilt of being the oppressor class
your daily reminder that white supremacy - or indeed any form of meritless caste system - benefits no one in the long run.

you might even say it's
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZrrWj_y3Mc

lol I appreciate you, DJP, and also map! Despite the fact that we've all been Very Online for 20 years and usually communicate pretty well, I feel like this is a weird way to have this particular conversation.

For the record I don't have a problem making fun of "whiteness" although it's a subtle art, maybe, and I think a couple of different things are being flattened itt. If white people don't talk to each other about white supremacy, and normalize it like we've normalized talking about...idk colonialism (maybe? I Am Not A Historian), then...what? It can't be left unspoken like we all understand it and it's beneath our dignity to address it.

The spotify playlist bit makes me think that “white people talking about whiteness” when it comes to music is usually a white person deciding that a song that was/is ubiquitous during their life that they now find corny or cliche is “white culture” regardless of who actually liked or listened to it!

haven't read this and probably won't tbh but I think it'll probably play many of the hits from above

https://www.gawker.com/culture/white-people-love-calling-other-white-people-white-people?utm_campaign=gawker&utm_content=1643983531&utm_medium=owned&utm_source=twitter

A few years ago I wrote a surly little rant in the Spectator magazine

Can't believe you wouldn't want to read an article that starts this way.

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