New Order:Sublime or Ridiculous?

this comparison doesn't really hold water, unless you're seriously wanting to equate formal objections (NO) with objections to content (misogyny)

there.

I dunno, I just object strenuously to the notion that bitching about misogyny in any lyrics, hip-hop or otherwise, is somehow misguided - whereas the case against bitching about New Order lyrics is rather clearer: they obviously don't mean anything, you can just ignore them, even if you don't ignore them they're not likely to do much, textually

I do understand that this is a pointless argument, don't get me wrong, I just hate it when people wanna equate saying nothing in particular with saying (say) that it's cool to treat women like shit

x-post Alfred you'll go a long ways to find a more devoted formalist than me, but to conflate/equate form & content doesn't relieve content of its various burdens

Fine. I retract my analogy. I was playing devil's advocate, in part because it's so tiresome to read bitching about NO's lyrics in 2006.

Anyone still have the Japanese version of Krafty?

They always sound a little unfamiliar, like I'm listening to them for the first time. I think I've put off listening to them in the past because I want to preserve the newness of the songs and the feeling they give me (when I hear them, my stomach knots up -- I don't want that to go away).

these two sentences are kind of perfect. i am going to use them as my excuse for never remembering what any individual new order song is called.

ridiculous: REPUBLIC, MOVEMENT

Cripes, did I really suggest that Movement is ridiculous? I should be flogged for that.

Milan show Ned mentions ^^^ is crazy. Some aggressive presentations of Movement songs - Lots of echoes, kinda dubby in parts. One of my favorite live bootlegs ever.

Haha, Alex, this is the second time you've apologized for that on this thread!

Movement is great, Republic is even better.

No, I'm serious.

One forgets these things as one ages, alas.

A google image search for "new order" "gay sperm" is pretty OTM.

Two Lone Swordsmen named one of their tracks after that famous bass cabinet phrase.

what the hell: New Order gigs this Fall, w/o Peter Hook?!?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/news/20110905_neworder.shtml

well, for a good cause, so that's nice, and nice the gillian is back too.

playing right here in Brussels - so might be my chance to finally see these guys live.

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2011/10/10/new-order-peter-saville-posters-paris-brussels/

The reunited New Order — Bernard Sumner, Stephen Morris and Gillian Gilbert — also released a video statement promoting the sale of the posters, which you can watch below. They do not, however, respond to their surly former bandmate Peter Hook’s recent accusations that they’re actually reuniting for profit and have a future U.S. tour in the works.

...because of course Hook's tour is about charity.

Anyway I presume Spencer has already ordered both of those posters.

You know, it's odd that the last couple of chapters of New Order live have largely been Gillian-free. And then Hook is out and suddenly Gillian reappears. Hmmm....

Surely they've been seen in the same room before...

I think I meant maybe more that they really didn't like each other?

...because of course Hook's tour is about charity.

Because of course Hook has claimed that he's only playing two gigs and they're just for charity, and not openly said at every stage that he's doing it to earn a living.

Stephen Morris ranks the New Order discography...

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/new-order-rank-your-records

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answer to thread q is clearly “yes”