ILX0RS: JAZZ IS THE TEACHER. YEAH, IT'S A JAZZ THING >> THE ILM JAZZ LISTENING CLUB! [NEW CHOICES EVERY WEDNESDAY!]

And it's great to see people talking about funk and giving their thoughts too. Same goes for the other listening clubs. Turangalila is doing a classical club and brian is doing a reggae/dub/ska club

yeah, it is prob a good excuse to dig into the ohio players ... only know bits and pieces from them.

I bagsy a week sometime!

― pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Thursday, 22 April 2010 16:12 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Woop!

Its a real shame non-euros cant get spotify (you can actually but you will need to ask certain ppl how) as there is an AMAZING AMOUNT OF JAZZ on there. (all the ohio players too btw)

yeah, it'd be nice to have spotify ... :(

So, for the first 3 albums: nothing too out there / free / experimental (yet). I expect EVERYONE is familiar with Miles Davis "Kind Of Blue" and John Coltrane "A Love Supreme" [ if not, go there first ].

Birth of The Cool is before Kind of Blue, and saw him move from a bebop (Charlie Parker) side player to a more relaxed mood.

Ellington & Coltrane has the beautifulest version of "In A Sentimental Mood" as the opener.

And Ben Neil as an example of jazz/electronics in the last 10 years.

Duke Ellington & John Coltrane (1962)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31DQHHX9XHL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

spotify: http://open.spotify.com/album/7qsnx3thQiQabvDkHfqI1m

Miles Davies - Birth Of The Cool (1957)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41254DZ9ZPL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

spotfiy: http://open.spotify.com/album/5gvQFFeuEsr5liRU7E9WSw

Ben Neill - Triptycal

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GQtuh1Q_luQ/SJpjEJq_X8I/AAAAAAAACr0/NqRw-BzHUto/s400/Neill,+Ben+-+Tryptical+-.jpg

Not on Spotfify / Last.fm page

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BWjuo9SUGM

[will try and find more audio online from Triptycal]

I'm in. Also starting my own club for fun and laffs, check board soon plz.

Ben Neill - Triptycal was 1996

Bagsy next week then!

all yours!

Nice choices -- don't know the Ben Neill but I'll check it out ...
As far as "Duke Ellington plays w/ younger dudes" albums go, it'd be hard to beat Money Jungle, but the Coltrane/Duke album has some really wonderful moments. As you mentioned, "In A Sentimental Mood" is probably the best ever version of that song (and that's saying something!). I think Johnny Hodges himself said that was the best he'd ever heard.

Ben Neill : these might work for American listeners:

http://www.playme.com/benneill/triptycal_2262943a.html [not avail in UK]
http://www.rhapsody.com/ben-neill/triptycal [not avail in UK]

No luck findingh much more audio (sorry), but if "Propeller" piqued your interest, there's this article which covers his move into dubstep.

here: http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=34514

All three of these are on lala if you're American.

hmm don't think I know this Ellington/Coltrane album

Will participate. Thank god work deadlines are going to ease up in the next couple of days and I can do some serious listening.

that ben neill album cover hurts my head.

yeah that's some shitty 90s designer tics on that

count me in here, just saw that Ellington/Coltrane the other day but didn't get it.

The Ben Neill album may be a bad choice for week 1, but an interesting sideways step, away from expectations of jazz musicans I'm thinking - Propeller is the key track (YouTube clip upthread)

not so keen on it

wheres the jazz fans?

I love the Coltrane/Ellington album. I hope to have more to say later in the week. It's interesting because it comes just at a moment that Coltrane is on the verge of plunging headfirst into the avant-garde scene (or rather he had just begun the plunge with Giant Steps). It's one of a series of eloquent neo-classical statements he released through '63. The culmination of the period, to me, is the Coltrane/Hartman album, which might be the most beautiful album ever recorded. But all the 'melodic' albums from this period, and very much including this one, are deeply elegiac, as record-by-record Coltrane says goodbye to everything Jazz had meant to him and most everybody else up to that moment, and braces himself and his listeners for the trek into the promised land that begins with A Love Supreme.
I don't intend to listen to that Neil thing unless someone posts something interesting enough to convince me otherwise. The Youtube clip fails to inspire confidence.
And at the risk of making a pariah of myself, I have to admit I've never quite gotten 'Birth of the Cool.' I recognize it's import, but I've listened to it a half dozen times and nothing ever stuck. It sounds exploratory in the weakest possible sense, as Davis indicates a number of aesthetic possibilities that other artists will explore more fruitfully. Pre-Kind of Blue Miles has always been something of blind spot. Maybe I'll try to correct that in the coming days.

Kind of feel you on the Birth of the Cool. I like it quite a bit, but it's never struck me as the masterpiece that some claim it is. You might've had to be there - in the context of bebop, it probably sounded way more innovative than it does today. Still, a nice sound/band -- some great tonal things going on there, kind of a light, airy feel that you can't find a lot of other places. Like big band harmonies stripped down to a small(er) band format. I guess Gerry Mulligan's 50s stuff is the closest to this really.

Re: the Coltrane/Ellington, listened today ... I think the ballads work best, "Sentimental Mood" and "Little Brown Book." Got me thinking about the missed opportunities though ... Trane could've recorded "Africa" with Ellington band! Or something ...

I'm defo in!

in my 'experience' - working in a big jazz rec dept for 3 years - BIRTH OF THE COOL puts more 'newcomers' off jazz than just abt any other rec - the recording, arrangements, even the playing just sound TOO dated now - def. not something I wld rec to ppl as a starting point for miles, or jazz

yeah, it's hard to quibble against that ellington/coltrane versh of 'in a sentimental mood' - and it's interesting to hear that hodges rated it, cos of course he was prob number one influence on trane (and hodges also always struck me as a hard-to-please kinda guy) - but the rest of the alb isn't all that tbh, and (w/ the exception of the johnny hartman collab) i wld rate all of coltrane's impulse albs above this one

this is one of my fave 'ironic' alb titles

http://www.incusrecords.force9.co.uk/images/cd3/incusCD25-sentimental-mood.jpg

point/counterpoint

I listen to Birth Of The Cool more than any Miles album, except maybe Get Up With It. While it certainly doesn't have the weight of Kind Of Blue (or the over exposure-cum-pop-appeal of So What) it's important as it inspired the West Coast jazz sound.

BIRTH OF THE COOL puts more 'newcomers' off jazz than just abt any other rec

But I have a soft spot for some of the be-bop inspired stuff from this period.

Also Jeru, Moon Dreams, Boplicity as beautiful - in a Cosby Show kind of way

are beautiful

actually, Boplicity is not that beautiful.

should we say:

pfunk: 30 April
a hoy hoy: 7 May
local garda: 14 May
tannenbaum: 21 May

anyone else want to curate a week?

i don't mean it puts ppl off cos it's 'some crazy Art Ensemble of Chicago stuff' (whatever that means), i mean it puts ppl off cos it sounds OLD and BORING and SAFE and UNEXCITING, especially to jazz newcomers whose listening/hearing has been conditioned by rock music/dance music - recs like GET UP WITH IT, or even A JACKSON IN YOUR HOUSE, are actually much approachable/understandable to ppl under the age of 40, imho, than 'classic' bebop or cool jazz or west coast jazz or whatevs

I see what you're saying, but I wasn't comparing Birth Of The Cool to "crazy" Art Ens. of C material; I meant it was some way removed from that strain of jazz.

I'll admit that the passing of time probably has made the west count sound and be-bop seem like cheesy shit to modern ears attuned to rock/dance (although hiphop fans should find enough breaks in hard-bop to dig it).

So, not trying to dissuade you from your opinion and Art Ens. Of C's "Theme De Yoyo" is as good an example of an accesible entry point for rock/dance/funk fans into some searing, going-straight-for-the-jugular jazz as there probably is.

Also, Ward you should curate a week.

would love to, ty!

cool, you can do 21 May

pfunk: 30 April
a hoy hoy: 7 May
local garda: 14 May
ward fowler: 21 May
tannenbaum: 28 May

where's xyzzzzzzzzz he needs to do it too

I remember not liking Birth of the Cool when I first heard it years ago for the reasons mentioned above (recording quality, "corniness"). Now I hear it as a response to both big band swing and bebop, and having that historical context has made it more enjoyable. I think it would have been better with more Gil Evans arrangements.

The ballads on the Ellington/Coltrane are beautiful, but overall it feels kind of under-developed. Some of Money Jungle strikes me the same way. Of the Ellington collaborations I've heard from this period, I'm more likely to put on the one with Louis Armstrong.

listened to Birth of the Cool this morning, and it sounded great -- I take it back! Total masterpiece. (I think it rewards closer listening ... having it on in the background, it sounds ... like background music. But on the headphones this morning it sounded pretty deep and rich.)
What makes Money Jungle way better than the Coltrane/Ellington collab is the *tension*. Mingus sounds like he really doesn't want to let Duke cruise on that recording. On the Coltrane record it sounds like everyone got along and chilled. And made a decent, if not fantastic, record.
(i'd do a week of this too ...)

learn yr dates, jazzxors:

pfunk: 30 April
a hoy hoy: 7 May
local garda: 14 May
ward fowler: 21 May
Cave17Matt: 28 May
Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC): 4 June
tylerw: 11 June
tannenbaum: 18 June

i'll keep bumping myself down if more want to curate a week

I hope my selections aren't too mainstream!

I'm always up for following you Tannenbaum , happy to have as many turns as possible.

Nah, I'm keen to be exposed to other stuff/choices.

Also, would like to ask for just 2 choices per week so I can also take in the funk, brazilian and rap threads going on.

But he gave me permission to do 3!

wtf shitting on birth of the cool

Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC): 4 June

Hey cool, I just meant I'd participate in that I'd listen and post on the records, but I'm excited to curate a week as well. I thought about asking but didn't want to barge in.

I was agnostic on Birth of the Cool for years in basically the same way as stated above. But I listened to it yesterday for this thread and really loved it. "Moon Dreams" is particularly lovely.

Also, thank you MumblestheRevelator: I've been meaning to check out the Coltrane/Hartman album for ages and this prompted me to do it finally.

birth of the cool would scare newcomers to jazz away? really? that's sad. and strange.

i already made fun of the cover, but, man, that ben neil track above is funny because it actually SOUNDS like the cover. i would have thought that impossible. apologies to ben, but my first reaction to his track was: i really wouldn't want anyone to hear me listening to this. so, don't really want to hear the rest.

i wish i had that ellington/coltrane album here right now. i could go for that.

I'll give it a shot...but I'm very much a jazz noob/novice. If that disqualifies me, I'll just happily join in the listening/following.

no way-- we're in the same boat!

ok it seems ice cr?m didnt volunteer it was just shaky webmailing me WITHOUT LEAVING AN EMAIL TO REPLY TO

March 2 - Shakey Mo
March 9 - Ilxor
March 16 - Algerian Goalie
March 23 - Ride
March 30 - xtian DC

ilxor youre staying there unless 1 of the other 2 want to swap with you!

webmail tuomas, im sure he will want a shot.

shakey you should post your albums tonight, will be weds here by then anyway.

my week's pics:

http://www.amiright.com/album-covers/images/album-Donald-Byrd-A-New-Perspective.jpg
Donald Byrd - A New Perspective

http://www.soundstagedirect.com/media/art_ensemble_chicago_message_folks.jpg
Art Ensemble of Chicago - Message to Our Folks

You could argue that both of these are worth picking up just for the iconic covers alone. They are roughly a decade apart, and both diverge rather widely from traditional jazz structures, albeit in completely different ways. A New Perspective is unlike anything else I've heard in Byrd's catalog and, tbh, I can't really think of any other jazz album quite like it. The emphasis is on the vocal ensemble arrangements, which marry trad gospel harmonizing with much looser jazz melodies and phrasing, and is gorgeous, tightly arranged, and beautifully slick from front to back. Possibly my favorite Byrd album. Message to Our Folks, on the other hand, goes in the opposite direction, and reflects AEC's penchant for wide-ranging genre explorations - going from field hollers to African percussion to free jazz skronk to blues grooves to elegiac soloing and back again. A lot of it seems of a piece with Can's various "ethnological forgery series", except that these are black American guys in Paris, rather than German hippies fantasizing about Africa/Asia/S. America.

lol sorry I am bad at following rules

(eh I guess the albums are only 6-7 years apart fwiw)

you were supposed to email me so i can provide spotify links

Donald Byrd - A New Perspective
http://open.spotify.com/album/2ZXECfiklUdtYcDZTU6jOF

Art Ensemble of Chicago - Message to Our Folks
http://open.spotify.com/album/5XvmZV63Y8OPDbD2cS0mXU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5ujEFsaInk

Heard much about A New Perspective...and had it in my hands the last time I was in the shop. Next time I'll be leaving with it.

BTW, for us non-UK, spotifyless folks, I've found that just about record can be at the very least be sample via youtube.

Best track off that great album IMO. Good picks, thanks.

btw the reason I ever even heard of the Byrd album in the first place:

http://mykec.net/mykec/images/mly/tone_loc__loced_after_dark.jpg

Didn't participate in the last one but am interested in a week this time. Still okay to post, uh, non-spotify links?

Agreed on Cristo, it's sublime.

you want to swap with ilxor then?
xp

Okay, I'll hit it on March 9.

wooo!

March 2 - Shakey Mo
March 9 - Doug Watson
March 16 - Algerian Goalie
March 23 - Ride
March 30 - xtian DC
April 6 - ilxor

Okay, here are some free fusion gems from the less obvious decades (read, I avoided anything from the 70s.)

Pinski Zoo - Introduce Me To The Doctor (Despatch, 1981)
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8854/00introducemetothedocto.jpg
Not a Spotify link
The debut disc of this frenzied post-punk jazz outfit from the UK. Fronted by reed player Jan Kopinski and-- for this album at least-- keyboardist Steve Iliffe. Kinda like if Rip Rig & Panic had eschewed the vocals and had developed under the tutelage of Ornette Coleman rather than Don Cherry.

Corporate Art - Corporate Art (JMT, 1991)
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7403/00corporateart.jpg
Not a Spotify link
A sort of supergroup that happily manages to deliver on expectations. Bobby Previte, Gary Thomas, Christy Doran and Mark Helias recorded this one-off session that blends angular jazz rock with the funky tensions of M-Base. Doran really shines here, with a style that reminds a bit of John McLaughlin's more soulful comping (Miles' "Right Off", Joe Farrell's "Follow Your Heart")

Date Course Pentagon Royal Garden - Report From Iron Mountain (P-Vine, 2001)
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3597/00reportfromironmountai.jpg
Not a Spotify link
Don't know that much about this Japanese ensemble. There's some involvement by Otomo Yoshide and it's led by Naruyoshi Kikuchi, who may be related to keyboardist Masabumi Kikuchi (whose "Circle/Line" is covered here.) Actually, the whole affair pursues that digitized free funk filter that Masabumi stretched over Miles' apocalyptic funk concept. For more reading, Sonic Asymmetry has a very worthy read here.

lol never heard of any of this!

Hopefully that's a good thing?

totally

Seem to remember Pinski Zoo having at least one release on SST...? Would have been mid 90s.

I don't think SST ever released a Pinski Zoo record. Zoogz Rift, maybe?

dunno these either!

March 16 - Algerian Goalie
March 23 - Ride
March 30 - xtian DC
April 6 - ilxor

I think we will move to 1 album per week, see if that stimulates more chat.

I remember back in my days as a high school "radio station" "dj" we had that Byrd record floating around. I think my hip-hop-loving friend was also into it because of some sample on it. At the time I was sort of still sorting things out and categorizing things and being kind of uptight and purist, and I didn't really know what basket to put the record in, so I wasn't so keen on it. Would be curious to give it another chance.

I think we will move to 1 album per week, see if that stimulates more chat.

Fair enough. Since we've still some time before next week, why don't we limit my above selection to just the Pinski Zoo? Am interested in hearing other impressions.

no no thats ok. your picks are fine. Hopefully there will be some discussion

i still need to listen, anyone else play them?

Hank Mobley - Soul Station (1960)
https://www.ifmusic.co.uk/images/product_images/HankMobley-SoulStation.jpg

http://open.spotify.com/album/6LgMSHDA0nBRV9Vlgy8j5r

Often overlooked, perhaps because he wasn't a great innovator in jazz but merely a stellar performer, tenor saxophonist Hank Mobley was at the peak of his powers on Soul Station. Recorded with a superstar quartet including Art Blakey on drums, Paul Chambers on bass, and Wynton Kelly on piano, it was the first album since Mobley's 1955 debut to feature him as a leader without any other accompanying horns. The clean, uncomplicated sound that resulted from that grouping helps make it the best among his albums and a peak moment during a particularly strong period in his career. Mobley has no problem running the show here, and he does it without being flashy or burying the strong work of his sidemen. The solidness of his technique means that he can handle material that is occasionally rhythmically intricate, while still maintaining the kind of easy roundness and warmth displayed by the best players of the swing era. Two carefully chosen standards, "Remember" and "If I Should Lose You," help to reinforce that impression by casting an eye back to the classic jazz era. They bookend four Mobley originals that, in contrast, reflect the best of small-group composition with their lightness and tight dynamics. Overall, this is a stellar set from one of the more underrated musicians of the bop era.

I left this out the last time i took a turn so here it is. Enjoy!

Like that album a lot. If you enjoy it I also recommend checking out No Room for Squares

Great album...the only Mobley I own so far. Curious to hear more. Gonna give it some more spins tonight and tomorrow now.

Btw, my copy has more of a green-blue sepia tone. Any story with the subtle variations of the cover?

i have no idea

Blakey's solo on This I Dig Of You owns. (What a great song title, btw!)

Mtume - Alkebu-Lan (Land of the Blacks)

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3602/218/1600/alke_front.jpg

Heavy shit, cats! Dig!

Nothing Is' description

Listen

messed up the image link somehow, let's try again

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3602/218/1600/alke_front.jpg

Recorded August 29, 1971 at The East, New York. According to Jim Flannery of the Kozmigroove Mailing List, it's "Pretty damn wild...AACM goes to Africa... but I guess I'd have to add 'Pharoahs go to Saturn' to get the picture complete. Starts out with a four-minute speech describing the role of 'these jams' in the service of Black Nationalism... and then backs it up. Cover is black with white line-drawing of a sorta Egyptian-meets-subSaharan figure (Pharoanic beard, pyramids for eyes, goat amulet), back side has an eye-in-pyramid drawing with photo of Mtume leaning against it." Having finally heard this record finally, I love it. While it's certainly dated, it's a fascinating glimpse of the marriage of early 1970s Afro-centric music, politics and spirituality, plus it really grooves. To me reminiscent of Bartz' Ntu Group work, it's more energetic and colorful than those records. A treasure: Strata-East was an extraordinary label.

-Ian Scott Horst: Jazz Supreme

looks like img tags ain't working for me

Awfully quiet here of late. My turn?

Let's go with the record I am listening to for the first time, right now:
Pharoah Sanders Tauhid(1966)
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c486/c486189tn40.jpg

Tauhid marks the 1966 Impulse debut of tenor saxophonist Pharoah Sanders, who had already gained fame as a flame-throwing saxophonist of the "new thing" playing with John Coltrane. However, Sanders' tenor appearance doesn't saturate the atmosphere on this session; far from it. Sanders is content to patiently let the moods of these three pieces develop, whether it be through the percussion of Roger Blank and Nat Bettis, guitarist Sonny Sharrock, or his own piccolo. For those looking for Sanders' patented screeching tenor throughout, Tauhid will disappoint.

I see Pharoah is getting some play on another thread at the moment. I am loving Karma, Jewels of Thought and Thembi. Excited to let this one weave its hypnotic spell.

Did I mention I am seeing the man play the first weekend in May? Beyond excited.

nice, I've latched onto this record and Karma pretty heavily. also be sure to check out Black Unity (the other i've heard; it's also fantastic)

Black Unity is on its way to me as we speak! Also picked up a nice vinyl copy of Live At The East. Not sure if this one ever made it to cd or not?

get elevation too guys...amazing record.

just properly reading back over this thread, the mtume sounds well up my street. checking it out now.