The RIAA Armageddon has begun

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OTOH, let's be clear - this:

download-from-wherever, maybe-pay-the-artist

is the future, most likely. the horse has left the barn. which is fine, really. there are plenty of ways to make a living making music. you have to work harder now, and if you want to spend time at home with your family, that's going to be much harder to do, so if you wanna put "artist" on your tax return, you're going to have to consider carefully how much of your life you're willing to trade for that; you won't be able to sit at home and collect money for recorded music unless you get loads of very-high-profile advertisement syncs (which is where much of the money in music is now, and even that seems to have crested). but really, this isn't a negative - or a positive - it's just the reality of the market, and I'm sure musicians will find a way to negotiate it; they may not enjoy that, but it's all right, the whole q has very little to do with the craft imo

aerosmith live at the mohegan sun (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Friday, 16 April 2010 03:43 (fourteen years ago) link

"you get ten cents for every dollar I make"

They are paying you tithing!

Ponies are horse children (Abbott), Friday, 16 April 2010 04:50 (fourteen years ago) link

aerosmith live, yes if you are on a label that has put forth money to record, master, and print your albums, ok. They've taken the initial risk and deserve to take the initial benefit in the rare event there is any. But I think the true value of the new music production channels is that the label doesn't have to take that risk, and in fact, you don't need the label at all. Anyone can burn a CDr, anyone can design album artwork. The industry no longer has a monopoly on production.

Yes, promotion of your music is a tricky thing, but you can certainly build up a fanbase without placement in a high-profile advertisement, or paying a promotional agent thousands of dollars to send out CDs. It's called playing out, and it can be a pain in the ass. But if consider yourself a musician and don't put in the hours rehearsing, playing shows night after night, or touring, then you should realize it's more of a hobby.

I think most people would be shocked to find out just how little highly-promoted musicians take in. People that are on national TV, in magazines, etc. still often make very little in CD royalties.

Adam Bruneau, Friday, 16 April 2010 05:58 (fourteen years ago) link

Yes, promotion of your music is a tricky thing, but you can certainly build up a fanbase without placement in a high-profile advertisement, or paying a promotional agent thousands of dollars to send out CDs

You can also build a rocket and shoot yourself into space, but it's an incredibly difficult thing to do without external help in the form of others with expertise/experience in rocket building and funding to buy the materials.

don't you steal my Sunstein (HI DERE), Friday, 16 April 2010 12:05 (fourteen years ago) link

this isn't exactly rocket science, HI DERE

Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Friday, 16 April 2010 12:16 (fourteen years ago) link

haha

don't you steal my Sunstein (HI DERE), Friday, 16 April 2010 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link

one of my brother's lecturers said that last week, in a lecture on trajectory in space. nobody got the joke until after. it's a terrible tragedy to be a funny man in the body of a nerdy scientist.

Jesse James Woods (darraghmac), Friday, 16 April 2010 13:15 (fourteen years ago) link

The brightest response to the Napster/MP3 revolution was that of David Bowie, who in 1997 cashed out $55 million in so-called Bowie Bonds, early securitized IP backed by future royalty streams.

Courtney Love and others who noted that albums were a promotional medium for tours/merch in this millenium were late to the party.

Sanpaku, Friday, 16 April 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

Brings the LOLz
http://i.imgur.com/1pXlO.jpg

Adam Bruneau, Friday, 16 April 2010 17:16 (fourteen years ago) link

lolololol

Mordy, Friday, 16 April 2010 17:20 (fourteen years ago) link

hahahahahahaha

pfunkboy (Herman G. Neuname), Friday, 16 April 2010 17:29 (fourteen years ago) link

High Court approves '3 strikes' deal between major record labels and Ireland's biggest ISP.

a few choice quotes:

The Data Protection Commissioner had expressed the view the Data Protection Act was an obstacle to implementation of the measures as these involved the release of “sensitive personal” information... Mr Justice Charleton ruled that IP addresses of suspected illegal downloaders in the possession of the record companies who intend to give them to Eircom are not “personal data” or sensitive personal data such as required the companies to comply with data protection issues.

There was “a fundamental right” to copyright in Irish law existing since the time of Saint Colmcille who was often quoted for his aphorism: “to each cow its calf and to every book its copy”, he said.

lol if you are going to quote apocryphal stories about sixth-century saints, get em straight: Colmcille was the one making the illegal copy (of an illustrated manuscript) and it was the King of Ireland who said the quote about the cow (except of course he didn't, as this never actually happened).

p-dog, Friday, 16 April 2010 18:14 (fourteen years ago) link

this story is also the first thing they taught us on the Intellectual Property course in law school...

p-dog, Friday, 16 April 2010 18:16 (fourteen years ago) link

we need to shut down these Intellectual Source Proprietors if they won't give names

mdskltr (blueski), Friday, 16 April 2010 18:20 (fourteen years ago) link

lol

p-dog, Friday, 16 April 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

TCP/IP : The Copyright Pirates vs. Intellectual Property

StanM, Friday, 16 April 2010 18:28 (fourteen years ago) link

on the floor laffing at that letter

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Friday, 16 April 2010 19:28 (fourteen years ago) link

i'm all for dynamic IP (intellectual property)

by another name (amateurist), Saturday, 17 April 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm all for IP Freely

lesley gorguts (latebloomer), Saturday, 17 April 2010 03:37 (fourteen years ago) link

ACTA draft finally released to the public. This part is interesting:

Imminent infringement

Several sections of the ACTA draft show that rightsholders can obtain an injunction just by showing that infringement is "imminent," even if it hasn't happened yet.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/acta-is-here.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

Adam Bruneau, Wednesday, 21 April 2010 16:07 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks for that link, Adam, that was super interesting and useful.

I Smell Xasthur Williams (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 21 April 2010 17:27 (fourteen years ago) link

six months pass...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-20021735-93.html

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:38 (thirteen years ago) link

Jesus. o_0

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

People these days do not remember the immense range of music available back in the 50's through the mid 80's.

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on the cusp of eligibility (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:55 (thirteen years ago) link

Jammie Thomas-Rasset, the Minnesota woman who has been fighting the recording industry over 24 songs she illegally downloaded and shared online four years ago, has lost another round in court.

A jury in Minneapolis decided today that she was liable for $1.5 million in copyright infringement damages to Capitol Records, or $62,500 for each song she illegally shared in April 2006.

The Recording Industry Association of America--the trade group that represents the four major music labels--applauded the verdict.

"We are again thankful to the jury for its service in this matter and that they recognized the severity of the defendant's misconduct," the RIAA said in a statement. "Now with three jury decisions behind us along with a clear affirmation of Ms. Thomas-Rasset's willful liability, it is our hope that she finally accepts responsibility for her actions."

evil

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:56 (thirteen years ago) link

Sorry, but I have to out more of that comment up because it's a classic.

Sick of prefabricated formula kid bands? Tired of an endless succession of so-called artists whose only talent is to jump around a stage and shout bad poetry? Stop ripping off the music industry. People these days do not remember the immense range of music available back in the 50's through the mid 80's.

The reason why it was so huge - particularly in the mid to late 60's - is because the record companies made enough money that they were free to seek out talent and nurture that talent. No longer, folks...

on the cusp of eligibility (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

uh

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

That is some severe rose-colored "back in my day" nonsense right there

lol tea partiers and their fat fingers (HI DERE), Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:58 (thirteen years ago) link

jump around a stage and shout bad poetry

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

wow, this ruling.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 November 2010 21:59 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm not even going to look for a jim morrison jpg

Mannsplain Steamroller (goole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:00 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm not an IP lawyer, but i assume the mixtapes that some sites put online (e.g., DIS Magazine, RA Review) are technically illegal to download?

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

i think i know the answer here, regrettably. that's why i stay away from even these items.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:07 (thirteen years ago) link

xp
Sadly BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL DOWNLOADING none of Jim Morrison's work is available anywhere.

on the cusp of eligibility (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:08 (thirteen years ago) link

that's why i stay away from even these items.

!

bows don't kill people, arrows do (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:14 (thirteen years ago) link

xxp for ethical reasons? Or because you fear that you will go to jail?

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link

Fuck, for that money she could probably find all the original artists and personally pay them to re-record every song in a professional studio.

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:18 (thirteen years ago) link

that would be pretty funny and amazing actually

I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:21 (thirteen years ago) link

The most expensive cd ever burnt.

Guns N Roses "Welcome to the Jungle"; "November Rain"
Vanessa Williams "Save the Best for Last"
Janet Jackson "Let’s What Awhile"
Gloria Estefan "Here We Are"; "Coming Out of the Heart"; "Rhythm is Gonna Get You"
Goo Goo Dolls "Iris"
Journey "Faithfully"; "Don’t Stop Believing"
Sara McLachlan "Possession"; "Building a Mystery"
Aerosmith "Cryin’"
Linkin Park "One Step Closer"
Def Leppard "Pour Some Sugar on Me"
Reba McEntire "One Honest Heart"
Bryan Adams "Somebody"
No Doubt "Bathwater"; "Hella Good"; "Different People"
Sheryl Crow "Run Baby Run"
Richard Marx "Now and Forever"
Destiny’s Child "Bills, Bills, Bills"
Green Day "Basket Case"

on the cusp of eligibility (Ned Trifle II), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:22 (thirteen years ago) link

poll "Which of these songs is most worth $62,500?"

Telephoneface (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:23 (thirteen years ago) link

As much as I hate to ever agree with commenters on sites like this, one of them has a point - she would have gotten off much, much easier if she'd just shoplifted physical copies of all of these.

"I am a fairly respected poster." (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Destiny’s Child "Bills, Bills, Bills"

^ lol

am0n, Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:28 (thirteen years ago) link

there's a visa/priceless joke in here somewhere but it would suck

I love you girls but that music is for radical faeries (Matt P), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link

what the hell do you even do with your life if you have a million dollar judgment hanging over you? i take it your checks are probably garnished, but how much? what's the process for this? jump of a bridge?

Mannsplain Steamroller (goole), Thursday, 4 November 2010 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link

that's why i stay away from even these items.

Has anyone ever been targeted for just downloading? As far as I know they've only gone after the UPloaders

buildings with goats on the roof (James Morrison), Thursday, 4 November 2010 23:03 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah, i think sharing is what's targeted. but the riaa hasn't admitted that just downloading is legal.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 November 2010 23:25 (thirteen years ago) link

xxp for ethical reasons? Or because you fear that you will go to jail?

bit of both (not jail, but substantial fines).

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 November 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link

sharing is easy to track, i'm not sure how the riaa would be able to track downloaders unless they set up a sting.

omar little, Thursday, 4 November 2010 23:27 (thirteen years ago) link

ever feel like you're being kind of a dick? ever wonder if you're kind of a dick all the time? ever feel like an riaa lawyer?

relax, bro, you're good.

bros before mods (Kerm), Thursday, 4 November 2010 23:40 (thirteen years ago) link

i'm glad i'm not an riaa lawyer, but they have to be a pretty happy group tonight.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 4 November 2010 23:43 (thirteen years ago) link


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