Strictly Come Dancing--am I on my own here?

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Jodie & Ian were lovely. Austin just ever so slightly overmarked by Len. Think Castle and Heather will go before John, and Austin will win.

ailsa, Sunday, 2 November 2008 10:55 (fifteen years ago) link

Heather-Castle seems a lock for bottom two, but up to this point Cherie's not had to rely on public support to get her through, so she's hardly out of the woods. I dunno if Castle will go - he really pulled himself together for the dance-off last week, and a similar improvement this time might be enough.

Have very much had enough of John now.

Austin Healey is actually going to win this, isn't he? Sergeant's the only one who's got enough momentum with the public to stop him, and he surely won't make the final... surely?

William Bloody Swygart, Sunday, 2 November 2008 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link

I think Castle will go. You can see the amount of effort Heather has put in, particularly physical training, it's like looking at a before/after advert for a gym.
Sergeant, yah, bored now, but he's too nice for me to want him to go. Kind of wish that Don was still in it instead though.

snoball, Sunday, 2 November 2008 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Castle has gone, which was scarcely a surprise.

This week I noticed several reiterations on the judges' part of the same basic complaint (but mainly aimed at Cherie Lunghi and Rachel Stevens' performances) about playing it safe, competent but no more, no "wildness," no "sensuality" etc.

I'm wondering if everyone's been told by The Management to tone that side of things down following recent upsets elsewhere in the BBC.

Then again, before Saturday's edition there was an extraordinary thing called Hole In The Wall with Dale Winton whose format I can only describe as "fetish friendly."

It's baffling.

Do they mean us? They surely do! It's Ray Conniff! (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 3 November 2008 09:50 (fifteen years ago) link

Taking the piss out of "Hole In The Wall" now seems to comprise half of Harry Hill's show. Wish they'd make the wall out of something more solid than polystyrene though. And on that point, possibly not the most environmentally friendly show on TV?

snoball, Monday, 3 November 2008 10:19 (fifteen years ago) link

Dale now not even bothering to smile with his mouth, let alone his eyes.

Do they mean us? They surely do! It's Ray Conniff! (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 3 November 2008 10:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Rachel! I am not, in general, one of her biggest fans, but that was quite the shock...

William Bloody Swygart, Monday, 10 November 2008 10:09 (fifteen years ago) link

As with this week's X Factor, this indicates that the ship is about to sink.

It would seem that the British public is far more interested in voting for "characters" rather than people with actual dancing talent.

But without the money generated by the 'phone-in votes the BBC would make no money from the show and it would have to be pulled.

America gets its first black President. We get John Sergeant who can't dance but gee he's cute.

The United Nations food parcels get ever closer.

A suit to remember at Montague Moss (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 10 November 2008 10:16 (fifteen years ago) link

tbh, I can't tell a talented ballroom dancer from an elephant.

Mark G, Monday, 10 November 2008 12:08 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw this the other week when we were down at m-i-l's place. I wasn't really keen on watching it TBH but I guess it was entertaining enough. It was funny, watching John Sargeant - to say that his partner, the siberian lady, was carrying him would be a mighty understatement. I was very taken with the siberian lady, she was very glamorous and I'd like to cop off with her very much. That's about all I've got, really.

The Plastic Fork (Pashmina), Monday, 10 November 2008 12:51 (fifteen years ago) link

John's going to win this.

I thought Rachel was fantastic this week, rumbas tend to do nothing for me, and Rachel tends to do nothing for me, yet somehow that was awesome. Still love Jodie, but fear she's going to be out next.

ailsa, Sunday, 16 November 2008 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

I was watching the darts instead this w/end. I started off with Strictly, but I think I have basically hit my threshold for watching the judges shout over each other.

William Bloody Swygart, Sunday, 16 November 2008 21:44 (fifteen years ago) link

When you said Dale Winton was 'presenting' at "Hole in the wall", I got completely the wrong idea...

Mark G, Monday, 17 November 2008 08:12 (fifteen years ago) link

Interesting lack of control with the judges compared with X Factor.

Cowell very subtle this week over the Daniel business whereas Goodman splutters and fumes about voters voting for the wrong reasons. Not the way to get the viewers on his side.

If Sergeant wins, though, I think we can say goodbye to any further series since if it's going to be about personalities rather than dancing skills and abilities there will be no real point to the programme and no judge will want to be associated with it.

Tom Jones looks and sounds ghastlier every time I see him on TV. As though he died 20 years ago and somebody's just bolted various bits and pieces of him together around the body of an out-of-date robot.

You're asking for £50,000 of my children's inheritance? (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 17 November 2008 09:29 (fifteen years ago) link

No sign of Sergeant and his partner at the statutory end-of-Sunday-night hug-a-thon. Fun to speculate as to why not...

mike t-diva, Monday, 17 November 2008 10:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeaeh, we noticed that!

Mark G, Monday, 17 November 2008 10:39 (fifteen years ago) link

And here's the reason, more or less...

You're asking for £50,000 of my children's inheritance? (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 17 November 2008 11:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Although the Sergeant issue in turn begs the following question:

What are audiences more likely to watch and be entertained by on peak time Saturday television - a technically immaculate but boring artisan, or John Sergeant falling on his arse/dragging his partner like a sack of Cambuslang coal every week?

You're asking for £50,000 of my children's inheritance? (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 17 November 2008 11:39 (fifteen years ago) link

The producers put him in so that they could benefit from a laugh at his expense but with truly sweet irony, the joke's on them.

alex, lymington,

Yup.

Mark G, Monday, 17 November 2008 11:40 (fifteen years ago) link

John Sergeant, arguably the least talented person ever to feature in a talent contest

This is unfair. Gary Rhodes was much worse.

William Bloody Swygart, Monday, 17 November 2008 11:52 (fifteen years ago) link

Nothing about Austin Healey, arguably the least interesting person ever to feature in a talent contest.

You're asking for £50,000 of my children's inheritance? (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 17 November 2008 11:53 (fifteen years ago) link

I could understand there being a certain warped appeal in voting every week for someone terrible if it was something really off the wall (like if Bez came on every week and did the Birdie Song dressed as a giant chicken), but there's really nothing amusing about John Sergeant just dancing poorly. It's not comically bad, just a bit rubbish.

The Resistible Force (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Monday, 17 November 2008 12:20 (fifteen years ago) link

John Sergeant, arguably the least talented person ever to feature in a talent contest

Lol at celebrities and journalists acting all surprised that a contest in which the public vote is not based primarily on talent... People will vote for contestants that they identify with, and a lot more people identify with JS than muscle flexing Austin.

snoball, Monday, 17 November 2008 13:37 (fifteen years ago) link

See, we dunno that they do, though. Healey's not been in dance-off yet, so it's entirely possible that the public find him enthralling. Maybe.

William Bloody Swygart, Monday, 17 November 2008 13:38 (fifteen years ago) link

Mandelson admits Strictly 'envy'

Lord Mandelson says he has been watching Strictly Come Dancing with "a degree of envy" and told the BBC it would be nice to be asked to take part.

The business secretary said he was supporting ex-political correspondent John Sergeant on the show.

But he joked he was a better dancer and offered to demonstrate his skills next time he was invited onto the BBC.

Lord Mandelson later added: "It would be nice at least to be invited into the audience."


Mark G, Monday, 17 November 2008 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

How good that Mandelson has the time even to think about this programme, let alone go on it, in the midst of the worst recession this century.

Don't think that it hasn't been fun. It hasn't. (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 17 November 2008 15:37 (fifteen years ago) link

Every great statesman needs a cultural hinterland.

mike t-diva, Monday, 17 November 2008 15:45 (fifteen years ago) link

This from AA Gill in the Sunday Times yesterday, totally OTM:

There is a crisis at the very heart of democracy. Last week, just as the American media proved that, yes, they could manipulate the man they loved into the White House, so it was here in Britain, mother of parliaments. The crisis is that the electorate have got it all wrong in two polls — on The X Factor and Nonentities Come Dancing. All right-thinking people realised the masses had made a desperate error, akin to Germany in 1933, by voting off some dumpy-arsed, tearful cruise-ship warbler from The X Factor. Cheryl Cole said it was a travesty, and Simon Cowell that it was plain the public weren’t voting for talent. In the Upper House, on Strictly Come Dancing, a terpsichorially challenged audience failed to dismiss the political broadcaster John Sergeant for not dancing properly, or at all. One of the judges — the strangest collection of human effluvia this side of Grimms’ Fairy Tales — admonished us by saying we must remember this was a dancing competition.

Now, I think it’s time I called the old dancing judges, Cheryl and Simon into my office to remind them of a few home truths. Listen carefully, all of you. Strictly Come Dancing is not a dancing competition. The X Factor is not a talent contest. The Queen Vic is not a real pub, and Basil Brush isn’t actually a talking fox. They are all entertainments. Dragons’ Den isn’t real venture capitalism, and I’m a Celebrity. . . Get Me Out of Here! isn’t a real jungle or, indeed, real celebrity, and everybody there has been begging their agents to get them in it. You are all suffering from a common green-room delusion: you believe your own billing. You are not on television because you’re experts or gurus. You’re there because you’re either funny, hateful or shaggable, and if you’re in any doubt which, then it’s not the latter.

The public votes for what makes the best television. If that means dismissing a dull genius for amusing crapness, they’ll do it without thinking. Hands up anyone who remembers the name of the men’s ski-jump gold medallists the year Eddie the Eagle came last? Exactly. Who knows, who cares?

There have been some interesting studies done on the wisdom of crowds. It turns out they’re almost always intuitively right. You really can’t chase ratings, court popularity and then claim your audience has got it wrong. They understand that the airwaves and iTunes are chock-a-block with talent they will never get round to listening to, better than anything on The X Factor, and that there was once a real dance competition on television. Only late-night drunks watched it. What we want is a fat oik who’ll sing Nessun Dorma once a week, and that kid who fell on his back in the shower. The audience isn’t a talent agency. They want to switch on the telly and be amused for an hour, and John Sergeant dancing is Dr Johnson’s dog and, therefore, entertainment.

Don't think that it hasn't been fun. It hasn't. (Marcello Carlin), Monday, 17 November 2008 15:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Blimey, AA Gill "Also" commands people into his office!

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:10 (fifteen years ago) link

Monday morning, 9 am sharp, I don't doubt.

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:18 (fifteen years ago) link

Could have sworn Vince Cable also sent some feelers to the BBC about being on the show as well.

Hey, the Australian version had a far-right politician come second once, maybe it's time for N.Griffin to get his soft shoe shuffle on.

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:22 (fifteen years ago) link

The "At Least I'll Make The Trains Run On Time" routine.

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Every great statesman needs a cultural hinterland.

Goethe was a writer, scientist, and philospher. Mandelson likes to watch himself a bit of telly!

snoball, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:43 (fifteen years ago) link

I read that as Mandelson likes to watch himself a bit on telly!

Still true.

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Would Goethe have done any better than Sergeant in the jive section, though?

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 11:44 (fifteen years ago) link

He learnt about Faust through a puppet show so I'm sure he would have had something to say about this.

Fat Penne (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 12:14 (fifteen years ago) link

Fozzie Bear to win next year's series.

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 12:15 (fifteen years ago) link

"Where is the man who has the strength to be true, and to show himself as he is?"

Fat Penne (Ned Trifle II), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 12:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Mike Yarwood?

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Tuesday, 18 November 2008 12:22 (fifteen years ago) link

".. and this is me!"

Mark G, Tuesday, 18 November 2008 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Sergeant to pull out of Strictly

Former political journalist John Sergeant has decided to pull out of the BBC One show Strictly Come Dancing.

The 64-year-old has received strong support from the public since the show started, but the judges have been critical of his dancing.

In a statement, he said: "The trouble is that there is now a real danger that I might win the competition. Even for me that would be a joke too far."

BBC One controller Jay Hunt said: "We are very sad to see him go."

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 11:57 (fifteen years ago) link

Alltogether now!

"YEAH, RIGHT!"

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 11:57 (fifteen years ago) link

lol at office of 50 people grinding to a halt as half the sales force goes "What? He's gone? Oh my god WE MUST TALK ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH"

Peter "One Dart" Manley (The stickman from the hilarious 'xkcd' comics), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:01 (fifteen years ago) link

Bang go the ratings, bang goes the probability of any more series.

I trust that the BBC will be refunding charges to everyone who rang in and voted for him.

Another victory for the bullies and thugs and A Good Story.

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:33 (fifteen years ago) link

I thought this might happen, and I was wondering how JS would time it/explain it. (You've got to tread carefully, when thousands have spent money keeping you in the show.) I'd love to know the full background to his decision.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:35 (fifteen years ago) link

I trust that the BBC will be refunding charges to everyone who rang in and voted for him.

Well, the votes were only ever to keep him in the show for one more week, not for the whole series - and since JS will be dancing a "farewell" performance on Saturday, you could argue that the contract hasn't been broken.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm sure that the BBC will.

Privatise it now.

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:40 (fifteen years ago) link

Beeb would have wanted him to stay in, tho. Strictly beat I'm A Thingy in the ratings at the weekend, and that's not because of Christine Bleakley, now, is it? Plus, if you wanna be proper conspiracy theory about this, you'll notice that the judge that's been doing the talking in the papers is Arlene Phillips, co-creator of Britannia High. On ITV. Also, the last time Beeb tried making stars out of the judges, they wound up with DanceX.

William Bloody Swygart, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 12:56 (fifteen years ago) link

Well I guess we won't be seeing AP on the panel after the current series then.

Britannia High is the worst TV programme ever.

What a broad smile! It is like a delta! (Marcello Carlin), Wednesday, 19 November 2008 14:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I saw the 2007 DanceX winners supporting Rihanna, just under a year ago, on the last night of her world tour.

"Our workout video is coming out soon!", they pleaded, just before disappearing for good. It was almost poignant.

mike t-diva, Wednesday, 19 November 2008 15:46 (fifteen years ago) link


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