People who talk about music but don't own a record player: C/D

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Premise of this thread: Dud.

I grew up with a fucking record player, and I've only not had one for maybe 8 years of my life. As it so happens, I'm getting one again (my late grandfather's, along with his hi-fi system), and I'm happy that I am, but I don't see that I enjoyed music any less or was any less able to discuss it when I didn't.

Honestly, during that time I couldn't have afforded something that would have brought out any of the sonic advantages of a record anyhow, and the one time I did experiment with a cheap turntable and speaker set I was so disgusted by the sound that I never used it again. Unless you have fairly good equipment, CDs are going to sound considerably better than records.

As a side note, I hate it when this sort of arbitrary stupidity is called "snobbery" -- it implies that the person being targeted actually does have some kind of superior knowledge or values.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link

As a side note, I hate it when this sort of arbitrary stupidity is called "snobbery" -- it implies that the person being targeted actually does have some kind of superior knowledge or values.

I'm hesiatant to call myself stupid, as I would be, but you're right otherwise. I have no superior anything.

Also, oh shit this record is good. Just bought it. Robert Fripp - Network. It's kind of a single. Four songs. One has Daryl Hall (don't laugh), one has Peter Gabriel (doing a version of "Here Comes The Flood" that I've never heard), and one has David Byrne ("I am am resplendent in divengence"). Never would have found these songs on CD, bra. Not even if they'd been released there.

Vinyl!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh, and side one is dripping with Eno.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

ew!

miccio (miccio), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't mean to suggest that you were stupid, Paunchy, only that you were being stupid.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I phrased the initial question badly, I admit.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:14 (eighteen years ago) link

And yet, I still think every music lover needs a turntable. I really believe that.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:15 (eighteen years ago) link

you need an uncoiffed vagina.

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:18 (eighteen years ago) link

?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:19 (eighteen years ago) link

vaginas get hairdos? that's a new one. are you stoned, mr. bloomer?

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

new? it's as old as time itself

shine headlights on me (electricsound), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:24 (eighteen years ago) link

OMG Orbit has an uncoiffed cooter.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Unless you have fairly good equipment, CDs are going to sound considerably better than records.

Is this ever wrong.

but the word vagina refers to the interior--there IS NO HAIR
HEELOOOO the world has gone insane!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:28 (eighteen years ago) link

Unless you have fairly good equipment, CDs are going to sound considerably better than records.

Is this ever wrong.

YES. YES IT IS EVER WRONG. Good vinyl sounds great, better than 192kbps MP3s every day of the week and twice on Tuesday.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:32 (eighteen years ago) link

You're fucking fooling yourself.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:48 (eighteen years ago) link

If you enjoy that "warm" snappy crackly pop, that's fine, but it's just a matter of nostalgic attachment, not sound quality.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:50 (eighteen years ago) link

You guys are ok in my book, you know, cool guys and all that. But you're just so wrong about this.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:55 (eighteen years ago) link

?

-- Paunchy Stratego (fluxion2...), July 18th, 2005.

JESUS LAUGHS

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Monday, 18 July 2005 02:59 (eighteen years ago) link

YEAH, IM PRETTY BORED Tonite.

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:06 (eighteen years ago) link

"Care not my children what format an album is on, for those who *cough*...what was i sayin'?"

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I've lost track of who is taking the piss and who isn't.
So have I. Lost on my own thread.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:17 (eighteen years ago) link

Just come over and play me some records. It'll be ok.

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link

ILX: bringing people together.

latebloomer: lazy r people (latebloomer), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:26 (eighteen years ago) link

We...
Are young but gettin gold before our time...
We'll leave the TV and the radio behind...

Joe Jackson (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

haha gold = old

We'd all like to get golder, I guess

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:36 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, I love Orbit.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:37 (eighteen years ago) link

Aw shucks, Keeennnaaannnn! Bring your turntable hither!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't. Already found the perfect spot for it. But I do like you.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 18 July 2005 03:53 (eighteen years ago) link

I have TWO turntables ... it's twice as nice over here, ladies.
Barry, You have a special place in my heart for your keen mind and physics background.

I love my Kenan, he has a special place in my heart with his goofy but impossibly hip shirts.

I suggest a record playing slumber party (NO DIRTY MINDS!)

But we have to invite Rickey Wright, too.

Hooray for the vinyl-playing slumber party a la Doris Day!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 18 July 2005 04:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Interests: vinyl, making out, dance parties

OLD SPICEĀ® CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Monday, 18 July 2005 04:35 (eighteen years ago) link

Vinyl slumber party FAP!

Orbit (Orbit), Monday, 18 July 2005 04:43 (eighteen years ago) link

I think there are some really high quality turntables you can buy new - like a lower level Rega, for example - in the $300-$400 dollar range. And you can probably get used ones for cheaper on eBay. I've got this Pioneer from the '70s or '80s I was fortunate enough to find in a thrift store for like $25. Plays at the right speed and w/ a sharp needle sounds great.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 18 July 2005 05:10 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't own a record player. Sometimes I wish I did, same as I wish my tape player worked and same as I wish I would one day get round to dusting off my MDs and listening to all those. I like CDs. I can make compilations and give them to friends. I can carry them round and listen to them on my walkman. They fit in my bedroom good.
I do have a few bits of vinyl that I am sad I can't play and which I have a hard time tracking down on other formats, but I don't see myslef as any less of a music fan.

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:46 (eighteen years ago) link

I barely ever go to gigs either. Does that make me a bad music fan?

dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:47 (eighteen years ago) link

crikey. i don't own a record player either. guess i'd better go back to lurking.

gem (trisk), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:49 (eighteen years ago) link

nah wait, this question is ok; like what if hostility towards hollertronix et al whiteboy contexts is as much a misunderstanding of the context of deejaying, and finding and judging things on 12s and random bootlegs and shit? imagine if a dirty south tune laden with dewy-eyed rural history ws just this week's new 12 on the record shop wall to be USED, and playing a set = playing a role?

no? o ok

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:01 (eighteen years ago) link

i dont buy it. i think it's a bunch of snobbery that's really kind of unfounded.

at the same time, i like being able to buy albums for pennies. it's *almost* cheaper and easier than downloading shit off the web.

AaronK (AaronK), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:17 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm still hoping to learn from this thread of five LPs I must hear that I can't hear in any other format.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Some plusses of owning a record player:
-Lots of cheap records
-some stuff that's not reissued on CD (though this seems to be getting less and less)
-a certain "warmth" to the sound
-aesthetic romance of it (there is something very pleasing about a record spinning on a turntable, and CDs just don't have anything like that)

Some Minuses of owning a record player:
-Records take up more space and are harder to transport
-Having to flip the side (if you're having people over this can be annoying)
-Wider variance in sound quality (if you have a shit record player/stereo or a bad copy of something, sorry, it doesn't sound better than a CD)
-Difficulty in putting songs on mixes, or on your computer or iPod

I think one would be much worse off for not owning a CD player than not owning a record player.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:32 (eighteen years ago) link

the problem there is that so many "out of print" albums have been put out on bootleg cds. (xpost)

jody heatherton (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:33 (eighteen years ago) link

Records were the main medium for music for 70 years, during which time more music was released than anyone can get their head around.

Since the onset of the home recording technological revolution + the internet making access to duplication, distribution, etc. services easy, there have been more than 30,000 albums released every year since 2001 (these with Soundscan barcodes, who knows about all those without). During the past five years, nearly as many recorded works of music have been released as were recorded in the 70+ years. In the next ONE year there will be more music released that you can 'get your head around'.

I just read Hurting's summary above and I see this thread hasn't made much progress (except maybe for increased clarity about the issues.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:15 (eighteen years ago) link

Unless you have fairly good equipment, CDs are going to sound considerably better than records.

...and there's a school of thought* amongst yr audiophilic types that says that if you have really fantastic equipment (i.e. phase-accurate, full-range speakers, top-class sources), CDs are going to sound miles better than records.

(* - obv, there are plenty of audiophiles who will never accept the CD or have grudgingly accepted its dominance while loathing its "sound", but the notion [not explicitly stated here, but perhaps silently assumed] that this is the de facto audiophile position isn't true in my experience).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:37 (eighteen years ago) link

The flipside to that is that if your hearing is bad, then format is irrelevant. (I can't hear very well, so mp3s sound terrific to me)

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:02 (eighteen years ago) link

Eyewitness News' Kemberly Richardson reports.

Phoenix Garrett was getting ready to work his first summer job. The Alleged gunman, L'mani Delina.

The victim's mother is still trying to cope with the tragedy.

Jacqueline Birkett-Johnson, Mother: "Most parents would say my son was a good son, Phoenix was a good child, headed in the right direction."

Witnesses say Garrett was sitting on a bench, selling CD's from a duffel bag on a crowded corner in Hamilton Heights. Five teens approached him around 4:30 pm. and began arguing. Delina allegedly pulled out a 38 caliber revolver and pumped four bullets into Garrett, who was trying to walk away.

An NYPD lieutenant reportedly heard the commotion, ran over and grabbed Delina as he tried to run. He held him down until back up arrived, as Garrett laid in a pool of blood.

He was pronounced dead at saint luke's hospital.

Birkett-Johnson: "He had a wonderful sense of humor. I could have been angry as a pitbull, and he would have said something to make me laugh."

dan bunnybrain (dan bunnybrain), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 01:38 (eighteen years ago) link


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