i know what those lines i quoted mean, i said they're extremely un-visceral -- they dont make me feel anything, all cerebrally indicating meaning instead of creating it -- i like this line hemingway had about how he knew he was onto something when he stopped describing things & started creating, Pill raps feel like describing to me
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link
hes like the least visceral lyricist ever & even his internal rhymes & intricacies sound stiff to me i think this is kinda true here, it's like self-consciously technical
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link
im also not that into the beat which isnt helping -- ill be way more forgiving of a track w/ some drama or whatever to it
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i dig him cuz he leans pretty close to ignorant southern rap
i agree that he's not great at imagery -- i like tho that he comes off as a bit of a writer -- i agree that it leads to lines like, uh, "antwan fishing" or w/e that are a bit nonsensical
also he writes good songs
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
i just get the feeling (no shots) (per se) that ppl are latching onto, like, hey a steady stream of words -- he must be a good rapper. this reductive kind of view, the same basic thing that had ppl hating on too short for years or whatever.
this is true but he was getting "lyrically lyrical" love before this tape, so it could be helpful to think of it as a mixtape exercise rather than pandering.
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
deej you've always made fair criticism of pill tho
& yeah, you're right about him being seen as a "smart" southerner or whatever by nah right types (krit is getting the same type of looks now too)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link
(not bringing this up to compare rappers on butthurt ringtone thread beef or whatever -- just using this as an excuse to talk about the kind of rapping im into lately -- also relates to rtc's v. real problems w/ listening to rick ross for extended periods)
difft strokes -- i mean the thing i love abt jacka is the way his writing seems to indicate a whole bunch of shit between the lines, (speaking of hemingway) iceberg theory style. i mean its not like he doesnt have stuff that i dont catch/get/doesnt make sense ever, but theres this feeling/mood to the writing itself ... im not saying hes flawless, but it really catches u up in it in a way i dont get from this. & when hes playing with melody in a rap verse & pauses & phrasing, it all contributes to this atmospheric purpose, like, its hard to explain w/out being able to listen to the verse (not on youtube) but one of my favorite jacka verses is off mobshit from 'jack of all trades':
i scrape the streets, fuck peace, i got hella shit thatll leave you hella stiffyuh-oh,hundred-round drum sit round top the calicoyuh-oh, niggas come from Cali yoya say its thug everywhere but it ain't the same,nuh-oh, cuz errybody got a thangput one in the 'cham, cant catch ya drain (?), slugs faster than a train that'll splat yagot ya brains on the seven-inch screen i woke up this mornin so yo i know its not a dreamnow i gotta shower for an hour no trace of the gunpowder, no trace of the rollocleanin out bottles of remy just to hide the thought of this niggalayin on his back leakin a river
its like, the way the verse twists around at the end from being just **where we are is more street than where u are** into a (important point here:) SUBTLE narrative twist (vs. say davinci's abortion song or WHAT IM TALKIN BOUT YALL IS HIP HOP) where u realize the violence has a psychological impact (or if yr a dude who isnt into that sorta thing, can just enjoy on a violent fantasy badass level) although its always implied & never explicit, lets the listener bring his own shit to it, & implies some kind of moral torment over the thuggish mentality etc
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
the way a verse that short really hits is also tied into his delivery -- transcribing his lyrics doesnt work bcuz theres definitely a performing dimension to them -- my favorite little detail is the way he shifts from cleaning himself off to using the word 'cleaning' -- to refer to what hes doing to the bottles of remy to forget the murder he committed. feels nicely subtly artful imo
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i realized that i feel about jacka the way i felt about cam'ron circa 05/06 -- when i read the lyrics i think they're really dope but something about the deadpan of the delivery leaves me cold -- then again i eventually came around to purple haze
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i love his delivery -- its one of those things that makes his lyrics work better for me tbh.
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUoX-QwiE0
this is also good off the same album -- i just find it really rewarding to follow his lines, like he does a good job avoiding cliches & capturing this sort of elusive mood of conflicted morality or something. reminds me of some of the best verses from 'it was written,' or a bunch of cormega tracks
fed on trial fightin the twelfth letternigga i love the chedder, but its islam we treasurecuz we together but even the world dont last foreverrest in peace king freek and my nigga nellasince i was a youth i smoke weed outnow im on the mothafucka that you read aboutits timing yeah, but its shit i cant leave withouta choppa on o's empty out ya houseone zero zero in the magzippin up the aveinsane from the cash, windows up tacked outthink about the scrill i hadi thought life was good till niggas killed my dadi used to laugh, now i think about if i lastthe world very different nowya wont get shit unless you smashdoin a thousand on the 'eeway watchin time passyoung murderer, bare face, fuck a mask
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
actually sounds like cormega to me, tho i know u meant to reference a non-fake, non-preachy storytelling w neg impacts of the trife life a la nas, wu, scarface. song is dope imo.
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link
correction its 'i chop on o's, empty out ya house'
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link
something about him is just trying so hard. its like dude, no need to be manic all the time
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:30 (7 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
yeah we need rappers to go back to being incredibly lazy. i mean to think he puts a bit of effort in, especially at the start of his career before even releasing a record, to try and find his voice/niche! i won't stand for it!
ha but really doe, you know how they always said that og nyc rappers used to make their name in street battles before getting a record deal, i kinda feel like i'd be listening to a 15 year old [nyc rapper] trying to read a rhyming dictionary when i hear pre-debut mixtapes. they were lucky enough to practice in a time when everything wasn't recorded and sent to the ends of the earth.
Pill has personality, he has enjoyable delivery, he knows how to pick beats and his lyrics sometimes work very well. And this is all by the time he's just signed a deal. I don't think any Pill fan is looking at him as more than a dude with real potential. He's Alex Song up in this bitch.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 09:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Wait, sorry for making a soccerball reference on a thread followed only by americans and the lex.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i try to follow it but this thread is all about the 500 new answers when i'm asleep. and i couldn't get the bookmark to work :(
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 09:40 (fourteen years ago) link
you didn't miss too much. this starlito joint and mainly some love/hate/disinterest for lil b, a bay area kid who alternates between more or less proper rapping & weird ambient spoken word "based freestyles". u can see/hear him here & here & read tim f on him here. then deej dropped by to express distaste for Pill in general & "hear somebody comin" in particular, his enunciation sucks & his lifeless technical flow on a lukewarm beat may get words from ear to head but bypasses all important organs. he then dropped science on the jacka's subtle modulations of voice and writerly psychological realism iirc. also, j0rdan is ready to re-embrace the bawse on the basis of "super high".
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
autogoon digest
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
that jacka song is GREAT
hey goons,
have to DJ tonight, any good sites to pick up uploadz of old school rap albums?
don't know my blogs very well.
― fischer-price my first chukkas (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
i haven't been dling easily buyable stuff much for over a year (the mixtape profusion has guilted me abt dling) so i can't recall the names of my old spots but check http://kido-backintheday.blogspot.com/ & http://golden-era-raps.blogspot.com/ ?
if u want pre-85 specifically get back to me
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:43 (fourteen years ago) link
also check their blog rolls etc. i found these trying to google sites i half-remember but i don't recognize em.
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:46 (fourteen years ago) link
just play this on repeat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH-hUDalJxI
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i have the lil b album! it's pretty interesting at first but not in that quantity.
i didn't know deej didn't like pill, completely disagree obv, though i don't have much more to say about pill than i've already said. i find him really strong at conveying emotion and i like his traditionalism.
i really like the bay area stuff i hear these days - it makes me wonder why i ever stopped following it after the hyphy hype died down, there's something about the sharpness of the production that i really love (esp in contrast to say zaytoven, who i had to really get used to for a while). i've downloaded a few husalah and jacka tracks but tbh they haven't stood out as rappers to me yet.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:14 (fourteen years ago) link
actually which recent husalah/jacka tracks should i be checking...only have "choppas out" and "pray for you" by the former (both are whatever) and "can't go" and "glamorous lifestyle" by the latter (both are terrific!). track names not youtubes, i never listen to music on youtube...
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:17 (fourteen years ago) link
whaaaaat? ur the king of fearless youtube dumping when ur on ilx! this is like there being no santa or smthing. u gotta wait for deej to come by and say "everything" in response to that, i think.
Vintertainment youtube above! interesting label. put out that & the hip hop on wax series, some really interesting early records, then seemed to die off with the first wave of independents w the rise of sampler-based stuff & the encroachment of majors, then re-emerged w keith sweat somehow and...no-one else? and disappeared again when that played out?
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:22 (fourteen years ago) link
i dump youtubes cuz i know that's how to get others to listen! sundry reasons i only ever go on youtube for music videos - music quality, plus (esp with hip-hop) i prefer initial ipod listening so i can better gauge lyrics etc without getting distracted. plus, totally impatient when scrolling down threads, can't be doing with pausing at every embed.
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:27 (fourteen years ago) link
this is an loln00b question, but where would i go to d/l a copy of the Gucci Mane mixtape ppl were putting on their 2009 ilm ballot? is there some central place to grab mixtapes from? thanking u
― ksh, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link
www.datpiff.com
― tmi finney (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:39 (fourteen years ago) link
oh wow, that's great. thanks dude
― ksh, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:41 (fourteen years ago) link
a universe of vast, ever-replenishing riches
― tmi finney (samosa gibreel), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 16:45 (fourteen years ago) link
New Game single... produced by Neptunes... kinda heat rock! "It Must Be Me."
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:42 (fourteen years ago) link
http://content.onsmash.com/archives/36118
The track, for those that haven't heard.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:43 (fourteen years ago) link
His flow sounds like a mix of 91' Cube and Biggie... I'm really feeling this.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:47 (fourteen years ago) link
i cant deal w/ the game @ all
― johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link
I love that KG jersey line
― Bait Goin' Ham (makeitpop), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:52 (fourteen years ago) link
Usually I like when the Neptunes do the minimal drum machine beat thing, but something about the awkward silences during the hook bothers me a lot.
― Bait Goin' Ham (makeitpop), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:56 (fourteen years ago) link
loving it
― fischer-price my first chukkas (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 22:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I think the Neptunes really bring it this time — it's a very old-school N.W.A. beat but they still colour it with electronic squiggles.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:00 (fourteen years ago) link
We must speak about the new Khalifa tape later. Back to Pittsburgh/Ottaw game.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
i had no idea that wiz khalifa mixtapes were a thing now. it wasn't until noz tweeted about it that i realized what the trending topic was about, and even then it was weird that noz was live tweeting about a wiz khalifa mixtape like he's gucci or something. MAYNHOLUP was doing the same thing.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:40 (fourteen years ago) link
I mean, my favourite Khalifa song is still "Say Yeah" (I think it's incredible, that song should've been a MASSIVE radio hit), but I like him.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link
there's a huge thread about "say yeah" on ilm
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:42 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah noz's piece about wiz's d.c. show being all packed and beatlemania surprised me, like i said when i was thinking about going to the baltimore show i didn't really expect there to be much of a turnout. i know blog rap isn't just blog rap anymore but it's so hard to tell what's actually resonating out there until you see evidence.
― sipster cuppies (some dude), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago) link
noz's is usually less cynical and apocalyptic when he's writing for actual publications, but that was still a surprising amount of praise
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:47 (fourteen years ago) link
I'll search that thread after this game (FUCK OTTAWA), Jordan.
― rennavate, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:49 (fourteen years ago) link
i wish listening to the new Game song was what was making you scream FUCK OTTAWA
― sipster cuppies (some dude), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:51 (fourteen years ago) link
deej's JACKA POX in no order
1. Jacka feat. Akata - Turned Out (Action)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtWYhDQIEhAthey must be worried cuz i got my beamfifty cal bird out at night but its not a owlyeah ya see my teeth from the light but thats not a smilesparks flash bright out the tip of the silencer thugs in every trap carry cuz its a violent earthknow what im sayinsmoked a pound of purp last night, but im still hurtkeep shit on the back of my mind, but memories lurksometimes
2. is that you3. kuran4. paper non stop5. glamorous lifestyle6. african warrior7. reign god8. sicilian breeze (m.i.a.)9. i live the life10. aspen
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:53 (fourteen years ago) link
haha i almost blew a gasket when i thought you were posting 10 youtubes
― sipster cuppies (some dude), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
me 2 :-)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:55 (fourteen years ago) link
jacka records to get:
1. 'rockist' classic record by Major Artist as Reflection Of His Auteurist Vision: The Jack Artist2. popists' comp of a bunch of his best tracks from a wide variety of sources: shooterz mixtape3. jacka tries new producers & works with stylistically diverse production: the street album mixtape4. jacka on a couple tracks but this comp is super-consistent & gives you a good idea of why husalah & ap9 are dope also: mob trial I presented by andre nickatina
i dunno thats a pretty broad overview. i have a lot more to say about dude but ppl need to start paying me for ilx posts at that pt
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link