That's a good point. And pretty cool.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, I'm listening to Snoop and Kid Cudi's "That Tree"... WTF this is hilarious and great.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:11 (fourteen years ago) link
saw the video, smh
― sipster cuppies (some dude), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:13 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah it's retarded but it's fun. And the song is, too.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:15 (fourteen years ago) link
cudi is rapping like he thought his verse was gonna be autotuned later, but it's not...i never thought about how that could happen, but i guess if you're so used to it you start to tailor your lines to the autotune environment
― m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:20 (fourteen years ago) link
it's a pretty good song, i must say -- cudi is such a bad, droney singer -- wish someone else was on that
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:23 (fourteen years ago) link
But that's how Cudi raps. He has this weird sing-song flow all the time... Has any of his actual verses ever been Auto-Tuned?
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:24 (fourteen years ago) link
But that's how Cudi raps
and therein lies the problem
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:26 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh I don't disagree. I think it works sometimes, but it often doesn't. I kind of like his hooks, though.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:28 (fourteen years ago) link
Also, Mannie Fresh's "Like a Boss" is DEFINITELY going on my summer mix. House pianos, baby!
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:30 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah, great song
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:31 (fourteen years ago) link
New Chuckie Hamilton... Cars sampling... and, not half bad! Maybe I'm just in a good mood.
― rennavate, Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:38 (fourteen years ago) link
thought that was okay
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
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i guess not? i'm not an expert on Cudi...was just saying that I think he's like unconsciously picking up phrasing that is a result of auto-tune stuff and then NOT autotuning it, like maybe he just gets it from listening to kanye or wayne or drake or whoever....just a little weird structural thing, like i can HEAR those lines being autotuned
― m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:42 (fourteen years ago) link
is the chick that punched charles hamilton ever going to release an album?
― m@tt (M@tt He1ges0n), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 21:43 (fourteen years ago) link
"hear somebody comin" is super dope
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:35 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah as someone who has never heard anything of note in a Pill song before i have to say that sounded good to me
― sipster cuppies (some dude), Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
working with tha bizness is a good look
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 13 April 2010 22:40 (fourteen years ago) link
i basically dislike Pill, no need to couch it in 'hes good but's the way i do w/ freddie gibbs or whoever. just the way he punches words is corny. BOOZER. ugh
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:25 (fourteen years ago) link
i can't be hospitable if deej is profitable
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:28 (fourteen years ago) link
is "hear somebody comin" charting or something? why are we talking about that?
― k3vin k., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link
j0rdan singled it out as a jam is all
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:29 (fourteen years ago) link
i think?
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
it's gonna be on jukebox this week
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
which is why i even listened to it today
something about him is just trying so hard. its like dude, no need to be manic all the time
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:30 (fourteen years ago) link
calling himself a caped crusader & shit ... what? so nerdy. about to call the zoo cuz monkeys are missing? redecorate their wardrobe and go get a facelift? wtf is this song even about
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:33 (fourteen years ago) link
a full grown dog ima pull on yall <--- its just that hes like the least visceral lyricist ever & even his internal rhymes & intricacies sound stiff to me
i don't think it's about anything per se
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:34 (fourteen years ago) link
the lines you quote have pretty obvious meanings
i just get the feeling (no shots) (per se) that ppl are latching onto, like, hey a steady stream of words -- he must be a good rapper. this reductive kind of view, the same basic thing that had ppl hating on too short for years or whatever. this is 'smart southern rap' even though hes mentioning the same stuff as insert-'ignorant'-southern-rapper-here just with less panache & more lines like "ho-checker you can call me scan-tron pimping / military mind gave her antwon fishing / handgun risen when its all about the digits"
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:36 (fourteen years ago) link
i know what those lines i quoted mean, i said they're extremely un-visceral -- they dont make me feel anything, all cerebrally indicating meaning instead of creating it -- i like this line hemingway had about how he knew he was onto something when he stopped describing things & started creating, Pill raps feel like describing to me
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:37 (fourteen years ago) link
hes like the least visceral lyricist ever & even his internal rhymes & intricacies sound stiff to me i think this is kinda true here, it's like self-consciously technical
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:38 (fourteen years ago) link
im also not that into the beat which isnt helping -- ill be way more forgiving of a track w/ some drama or whatever to it
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:39 (fourteen years ago) link
i dig him cuz he leans pretty close to ignorant southern rap
i agree that he's not great at imagery -- i like tho that he comes off as a bit of a writer -- i agree that it leads to lines like, uh, "antwan fishing" or w/e that are a bit nonsensical
also he writes good songs
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
i just get the feeling (no shots) (per se) that ppl are latching onto, like, hey a steady stream of words -- he must be a good rapper. this reductive kind of view, the same basic thing that had ppl hating on too short for years or whatever.
this is true but he was getting "lyrically lyrical" love before this tape, so it could be helpful to think of it as a mixtape exercise rather than pandering.
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:44 (fourteen years ago) link
deej you've always made fair criticism of pill tho
& yeah, you're right about him being seen as a "smart" southerner or whatever by nah right types (krit is getting the same type of looks now too)
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:46 (fourteen years ago) link
(not bringing this up to compare rappers on butthurt ringtone thread beef or whatever -- just using this as an excuse to talk about the kind of rapping im into lately -- also relates to rtc's v. real problems w/ listening to rick ross for extended periods)
difft strokes -- i mean the thing i love abt jacka is the way his writing seems to indicate a whole bunch of shit between the lines, (speaking of hemingway) iceberg theory style. i mean its not like he doesnt have stuff that i dont catch/get/doesnt make sense ever, but theres this feeling/mood to the writing itself ... im not saying hes flawless, but it really catches u up in it in a way i dont get from this. & when hes playing with melody in a rap verse & pauses & phrasing, it all contributes to this atmospheric purpose, like, its hard to explain w/out being able to listen to the verse (not on youtube) but one of my favorite jacka verses is off mobshit from 'jack of all trades':
i scrape the streets, fuck peace, i got hella shit thatll leave you hella stiffyuh-oh,hundred-round drum sit round top the calicoyuh-oh, niggas come from Cali yoya say its thug everywhere but it ain't the same,nuh-oh, cuz errybody got a thangput one in the 'cham, cant catch ya drain (?), slugs faster than a train that'll splat yagot ya brains on the seven-inch screen i woke up this mornin so yo i know its not a dreamnow i gotta shower for an hour no trace of the gunpowder, no trace of the rollocleanin out bottles of remy just to hide the thought of this niggalayin on his back leakin a river
its like, the way the verse twists around at the end from being just **where we are is more street than where u are** into a (important point here:) SUBTLE narrative twist (vs. say davinci's abortion song or WHAT IM TALKIN BOUT YALL IS HIP HOP) where u realize the violence has a psychological impact (or if yr a dude who isnt into that sorta thing, can just enjoy on a violent fantasy badass level) although its always implied & never explicit, lets the listener bring his own shit to it, & implies some kind of moral torment over the thuggish mentality etc
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:55 (fourteen years ago) link
the way a verse that short really hits is also tied into his delivery -- transcribing his lyrics doesnt work bcuz theres definitely a performing dimension to them -- my favorite little detail is the way he shifts from cleaning himself off to using the word 'cleaning' -- to refer to what hes doing to the bottles of remy to forget the murder he committed. feels nicely subtly artful imo
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 01:57 (fourteen years ago) link
i realized that i feel about jacka the way i felt about cam'ron circa 05/06 -- when i read the lyrics i think they're really dope but something about the deadpan of the delivery leaves me cold -- then again i eventually came around to purple haze
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i love his delivery -- its one of those things that makes his lyrics work better for me tbh.
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpUoX-QwiE0
this is also good off the same album -- i just find it really rewarding to follow his lines, like he does a good job avoiding cliches & capturing this sort of elusive mood of conflicted morality or something. reminds me of some of the best verses from 'it was written,' or a bunch of cormega tracks
fed on trial fightin the twelfth letternigga i love the chedder, but its islam we treasurecuz we together but even the world dont last foreverrest in peace king freek and my nigga nellasince i was a youth i smoke weed outnow im on the mothafucka that you read aboutits timing yeah, but its shit i cant leave withouta choppa on o's empty out ya houseone zero zero in the magzippin up the aveinsane from the cash, windows up tacked outthink about the scrill i hadi thought life was good till niggas killed my dadi used to laugh, now i think about if i lastthe world very different nowya wont get shit unless you smashdoin a thousand on the 'eeway watchin time passyoung murderer, bare face, fuck a mask
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:26 (fourteen years ago) link
actually sounds like cormega to me, tho i know u meant to reference a non-fake, non-preachy storytelling w neg impacts of the trife life a la nas, wu, scarface. song is dope imo.
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 02:33 (fourteen years ago) link
correction its 'i chop on o's, empty out ya house'
― The BoyBoy Big HOO$ (deej), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 03:33 (fourteen years ago) link
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yeah we need rappers to go back to being incredibly lazy. i mean to think he puts a bit of effort in, especially at the start of his career before even releasing a record, to try and find his voice/niche! i won't stand for it!
ha but really doe, you know how they always said that og nyc rappers used to make their name in street battles before getting a record deal, i kinda feel like i'd be listening to a 15 year old [nyc rapper] trying to read a rhyming dictionary when i hear pre-debut mixtapes. they were lucky enough to practice in a time when everything wasn't recorded and sent to the ends of the earth.
Pill has personality, he has enjoyable delivery, he knows how to pick beats and his lyrics sometimes work very well. And this is all by the time he's just signed a deal. I don't think any Pill fan is looking at him as more than a dude with real potential. He's Alex Song up in this bitch.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 09:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Wait, sorry for making a soccerball reference on a thread followed only by americans and the lex.
― tart w/ a heart (a hoy hoy), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 09:21 (fourteen years ago) link
i try to follow it but this thread is all about the 500 new answers when i'm asleep. and i couldn't get the bookmark to work :(
― لوووووووووووووووووووول (lex pretend), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 09:40 (fourteen years ago) link
you didn't miss too much. this starlito joint and mainly some love/hate/disinterest for lil b, a bay area kid who alternates between more or less proper rapping & weird ambient spoken word "based freestyles". u can see/hear him here & here & read tim f on him here. then deej dropped by to express distaste for Pill in general & "hear somebody comin" in particular, his enunciation sucks & his lifeless technical flow on a lukewarm beat may get words from ear to head but bypasses all important organs. he then dropped science on the jacka's subtle modulations of voice and writerly psychological realism iirc. also, j0rdan is ready to re-embrace the bawse on the basis of "super high".
― tbrrprint (2) HD (zvookster), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:28 (fourteen years ago) link
autogoon digest
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:31 (fourteen years ago) link
that jacka song is GREAT
hey goons,
have to DJ tonight, any good sites to pick up uploadz of old school rap albums?
don't know my blogs very well.
― fischer-price my first chukkas (M@tt He1ges0n), Wednesday, 14 April 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link